[AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane

John Lindsay jlindsay at internode.com.au
Tue Oct 10 11:56:46 EST 2006

Given a response I got from AAPT this morning I suspect that Optus  
aren't immune either.

Quite a bit of what you've written here isn't exactly in accord with  
my understanding and I am a player in this particular game.

Quite a bit of it is right on the money.

AAPT believe they are acting within the law.

Pipe believe they are acting within the law.

That's the beauty of the law, find two lawyers and you can hold two  
contradictory opinions simultaneously.

AAPT are over.

They told me some weeks ago that they can't service GS.  If that has  
changed they should have told me but they didn't.

They're kicking up a stink at present because our last customer at an  
AAPT site in Sydney is trying to connect to us with an Optus service.

What is really dumb is that we were buying quite a lot of AAPT  
services.  We're buying a lot less now and I hope to get to zero by  
the end of the year.

John Lindsay - Carrier Relations Manager - Internode and Agile

On 10/10/2006, at 10:39 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:

> Hey John,
> 	AAPT are apparently installing a PoP down at Globalswitch and it
> should be ready in the next month or two.
> 	At the moment I don't know if Pipe or AAPT are completely innocent
> in this mess.. There is a lot of schoolyard crap going on.  AAPT's  
> legal
> department is certainly doing the speaking, which in my opinion is  
> hurting
> them more than anything else since this people aren't considering the
> industry, or how they will be perceived in it.
> 	The two key parts I see in this dispute are Colo and
> Interconnection.
> 	Re Colo - AAPT have the right to tell people who are only using colo
> to get out of their DC's.  It's always been known (at least, I knew  
> it) that
> if you didn't buy bandwidth or other services from them, you  
> weren't allowed
> to colo there.  They are apparently really short on space and want  
> to push
> people out the door who don't buy other things off of them.
> 	Re Interconnection - The issues with Pipe/PowerTel and others, I
> believe that AAPT have the right to do what they are doing as they  
> own the
> DC.  The reason what they are doing is wrong, is that they allowed the
> attitude/position of 'Carrier Neutral' to foster of many years and in
> essence they have brought this situation upon themselves.  Changing  
> the
> rules suddenly is their prerogative, but, I personally believe it is
> probably for reasons which have not come to light very clearly.
> 	My belief is that AAPT is more upset with PowerTel than Pipe.
> PowerTel are very similar to AAPT in their market offerings and  
> PowerTel
> selling services to customers in AAPT DC's was attacking their  
> bottom line
> directly.  I suspect this has irritated AAPT and caused them to have a
> change of attitude which other people like Pipe have been caught up  
> in as
> you can't really apply to rules to one and not all.
> 	I don't think there will be issues buying Optus services in AAPT
> facilities as I believe Optus do have a facilities agreement with  
> AAPT for
> the provision of services.
> 	My personal issue with this whole mess is that Pipe is pulling out
> at the end of October.  AAPT says (but has yet to put it in  
> writing) that
> they offered Pipe January 31st (or something like it). I wish both  
> parties
> would stop punishing their customers as they are the ones who are  
> going to
> be most hurt out of this fight.
> 	Right now, they are both seriously pissed off at each other and
> getting them to talk and extend these dates seems to be difficult.
> ...Skeeve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net]  
> On Behalf
> Of John Lindsay
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2006 10:45 AM
> To: Jacques Kosky
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane
> AAPT are unhappy about allowing other carriers providing services  
> to AAPT's
> customers (and those customer's customers).
> What this means is if you colo at AAPT and want to use Pipe or even  
> Optus to
> get a circuit to somewhere else you have a problem.
> In my humble opinion getting the hell out of AAPT colos is a very  
> sensible
> action.  It is not a suitable place to be unless you are a 100% AAPT
> customer.  Since AAPT's can't reach places like GlobalSwitch in  
> Sydney on
> their network you're pretty much stuffed if you want to do anything  
> smart.
> AAPT have kicked Internode/Agile (that's us) out of their  
> facilities in no
> uncertain terms.  Several AAPT customers who are also Internode  
> customers
> have followed us out.
> jsl
> (sent from my shell account from a hotel room with insufficient  
> bandwidth)
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Jacques Kosky wrote:
>> Hi Folks
>> We have just been informed that due to changes in the AAPT co- 
>> location
>> policy that Access Wireless will be pulling out of AAPT at 530  
>> Collins
>> St Melbourne. Can anyone out there give me a heads up (off list if  
>> you
> like.
>> All discretion and privacy offered) about exactly what AAPT are up  
>> to?
>> I have always lived by the rule of knowing when to get out of Dodge
>> and secondly how to get out of Dodge. Any recommendations for a  
>> decent
>> carrier neutral data center in  Melbourne CBD or close by gratefully
>> received. Must have access to Uecomm, Powertel, Telstra, Pipe,  
>> Macquarie
> and Access Wireless.
>> Its not a move I take lightly but its good to have a backup plan  
>> or three.
>> Apologies for cross posting. It just that electrons are expensive
>> these days. :-) _______________________________________
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