[AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane

Tue Oct 10 11:14:12 EST 2006

I don't think anyone denies that AAPT have the right to do what they're
doing - that's all well and good.

At the end of the day though, it's just a PITA. Customers in AAPT's
facilities are being forced out with very little notice, and as you
mentioned, I suspect that at the end of the day it's going to do more
harm than good.

Powertel are going to compete with AAPT whether they like it or not. Why
not take a little cash from them on the side in the process?

JB

-----Original Message-----
From: Skeeve Stevens [mailto:skeeve at skeeve.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2006 9:09 AM
To: 'John Lindsay'; 'Jacques Kosky'
Cc: aussie-isp at taz.net.au; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane

Hey John,

	AAPT are apparently installing a PoP down at Globalswitch and it
should be ready in the next month or two.

	At the moment I don't know if Pipe or AAPT are completely
innocent
in this mess.. There is a lot of schoolyard crap going on.  AAPT's legal
department is certainly doing the speaking, which in my opinion is
hurting
them more than anything else since this people aren't considering the
industry, or how they will be perceived in it.

	The two key parts I see in this dispute are Colo and
Interconnection.

	Re Colo - AAPT have the right to tell people who are only using
colo
to get out of their DC's.  It's always been known (at least, I knew it)
that
if you didn't buy bandwidth or other services from them, you weren't
allowed
to colo there.  They are apparently really short on space and want to
push
people out the door who don't buy other things off of them.

	Re Interconnection - The issues with Pipe/PowerTel and others, I
believe that AAPT have the right to do what they are doing as they own
the
DC.  The reason what they are doing is wrong, is that they allowed the
attitude/position of 'Carrier Neutral' to foster of many years and in
essence they have brought this situation upon themselves.  Changing the
rules suddenly is their prerogative, but, I personally believe it is
probably for reasons which have not come to light very clearly.

	My belief is that AAPT is more upset with PowerTel than Pipe.
PowerTel are very similar to AAPT in their market offerings and PowerTel
selling services to customers in AAPT DC's was attacking their bottom
line
directly.  I suspect this has irritated AAPT and caused them to have a
change of attitude which other people like Pipe have been caught up in
as
you can't really apply to rules to one and not all.

	I don't think there will be issues buying Optus services in AAPT
facilities as I believe Optus do have a facilities agreement with AAPT
for
the provision of services.

	My personal issue with this whole mess is that Pipe is pulling
out
at the end of October.  AAPT says (but has yet to put it in writing)
that
they offered Pipe January 31st (or something like it). I wish both
parties
would stop punishing their customers as they are the ones who are going
to
be most hurt out of this fight.

	Right now, they are both seriously pissed off at each other and
getting them to talk and extend these dates seems to be difficult.

...Skeeve 

-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net] On
Behalf
Of John Lindsay
Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2006 10:45 AM
To: Jacques Kosky
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane

AAPT are unhappy about allowing other carriers providing services to
AAPT's
customers (and those customer's customers).

What this means is if you colo at AAPT and want to use Pipe or even
Optus to
get a circuit to somewhere else you have a problem.

In my humble opinion getting the hell out of AAPT colos is a very
sensible
action.  It is not a suitable place to be unless you are a 100% AAPT
customer.  Since AAPT's can't reach places like GlobalSwitch in Sydney
on
their network you're pretty much stuffed if you want to do anything
smart.

AAPT have kicked Internode/Agile (that's us) out of their facilities in
no
uncertain terms.  Several AAPT customers who are also Internode
customers
have followed us out.

jsl

(sent from my shell account from a hotel room with insufficient
bandwidth)

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Jacques Kosky wrote:

> Hi Folks
> We have just been informed that due to changes in the AAPT co-location

> policy that Access Wireless will be pulling out of AAPT at 530 Collins

> St Melbourne. Can anyone out there give me a heads up (off list if you
like.
> All discretion and privacy offered) about exactly what AAPT are up to?
>
> I have always lived by the rule of knowing when to get out of Dodge 
> and secondly how to get out of Dodge. Any recommendations for a decent

> carrier neutral data center in  Melbourne CBD or close by gratefully 
> received. Must have access to Uecomm, Powertel, Telstra, Pipe,
Macquarie
and Access Wireless.
>
> Its not a move I take lightly but its good to have a backup plan or
three.
>
> Apologies for cross posting. It just that electrons are expensive 
> these days. :-) _______________________________________
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