[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
Brad Evans
brad at delion.com.au
Tue Oct 15 17:43:42 EST 2013
Oh, I agree with you, don't worry. I'm curious to see what the flow on
effect will be. Price rises on floor/power ?
-Brad
On 15/10/2013 5:40 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> Brad,
>
> As much as I appreciate what many of the DC providers have to offer...
> some of the cross-connect pricing is just extortion, and I have no
> sympathy sorry.
>
> But, you need to remember here... you will still need the initial 10Gb
> cross-connect (or dual), plus your $500 (or dual) into Megaport....
> you have to be getting value from the multiple savings on the physical
> X-connects, the peering, and access to the offerings on VxC.
>
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Brad Evans <brad at delion.com.au
> <mailto:brad at delion.com.au>> wrote:
>
> So I remove my 10x cross connects and replace it with 1. That is
> lost revenue, quite a bit.
>
> Sure, in reality it may not be that extreme, but it's no doubt
> going to cut into a pretty high margin product.
>
> -Brad
>
> On 15/10/2013 5:26 PM, Daniel Watson wrote:
>> Reading over this thread throughout the day, it seems to me that
>> people are forgetting that you still need the cross connect
>> within the DC to get connected to MegaPort's switching within the
>> DC, so you would still have to pay that $225/month or what ever
>> fees you have worked out with the DC in question.
>>
>> D.
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>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
>>
>> I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially losing all
>> this cross connect revenue. It has to be a pretty fair chunk of
>> their profit. We all know that it doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k
>> over 3 years) for 50m of fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that
>> that 10Kva of redundant, protected power and cooling is worth
>> every cent we pay for it.
>>
>> I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1
>> physical port is crazy. But everyone else has made the obvious
>> conclusion that Megaport[S] open up some fantastic options for us
>> all. How exactly does the service work if we take 2 ports? Are
>> they aggregated or active/standby ? Is it the same cost to take
>> up the 2nd port?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> -Brad
>>
>>
>> On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>> Hey Brent,
>>>
>>> I don't think it removes the cost of cross-connects, but it
>>> certainly makes it a hell of a lot cheaper.
>>>
>>> From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc will be
>>> $100/mth... which when you look at places like Equinix which
>>> does Fibre at $290/mth - this will essentially third that for
>>> permanent connections.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan mentioned $20/day
>>> (as opposed to $200/mth) if you only want a short term
>>> connection up and running.
>>>
>>> The trick here will be for Megaport to automate this so smoothly
>>> that VxC's are brought online VERY quickly.. perhaps even have
>>> non-active pre-provisioned ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two
>>> points, ready to come up at a moments notice.
>>>
>>> The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings will help
>>> massively will be places like Globalswitch with their insane
>>> install costs, ongoing monthlies and maze of suites run by
>>> different people with different rules.
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Brent Paddon
>>> <brent.paddon at gmail.com <mailto:brent.paddon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Absolutely. To be honest I see it as just another
>>> crossconnect - we already have a number of customers in both
>>> GS and Equinix directly connected. This will just make it a
>>> bit easier (removing cost of internal xconnects) and make it
>>> easier for us to sell (and buy from) others in DC's that we
>>> dont have a current presence in (eg S1, etc). Bring it on I
>>> say :)
>>>
>>> Bevan disrupting the status quo (his specialty I think) ... :)
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brent,
>>>
>>> You guys going to offer any of your products on Megaport
>>> VxC?
>>>
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon
>>> <brent.paddon at gmail.com <mailto:brent.paddon at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Its certainly going to change the way we all buy
>>> (and sell) services to each other. Definitely going
>>> to break down the current somewhat high inter-DC
>>> connectivity costs.
>>>
>>> I think the model that they've come up with is a
>>> winner and I'd be awfully surprised if there isn't a
>>> significant amount of traffic (mainly on the VXC's)
>>> pretty shortly...as soon as the rollout has reached
>>> that critical mass.
>>>
>>> I expect to see a LOT more connectivity between
>>> people (especially for those selling aggregation
>>> ports / last-mile access products), transit, cloudy
>>> stuff, etc. The current pain-in-arse of being in
>>> different DC's is pretty much going to go away.
>>> Heck, we all know what the cost of cross-connects
>>> _inside_ DC's is like at the moment.
>>>
>>> I also think that forcing people to go 10G is a
>>> smart move.
>>>
>>> We have our testing port up and running in Equinix -
>>> but yet to do any VXCs. Hopefully bringing on a
>>> Brisbane port shortly.
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
>>> Brent Paddon
>>> Director
>>>
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>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Macca,
>>>
>>> I know you say unaffiliated, but I also know
>>> this product of Megaport directly competes with
>>> Vocus fibre to a certain degree.
>>>
>>> Let's be honest... we're not talking running
>>> things over peering here... I really don't see
>>> any quality difference running a VLAN over layer
>>> 2 Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others and Megaport... sounds
>>> more like a scare tactic to be honest. Unless
>>> you have insight that you would like to share
>>> (honestly, I'd like to know)
>>>
>>> If we are talking dark vs. layer 2, then I would
>>> agree.... but I am also not suggesting everyone
>>> run absolutely everything over one Megaport
>>> connection... go dual feeds if you want.. I am
>>> sure they'd sell it. But... I see something
>>> interesting here, and I see it as the future of
>>> how inter-dc connections will be one - whether
>>> it is Megaport, or Vocus or Pipe get in on the
>>> game too... I see it as a great idea.
>>>
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, McDonald
>>> Richards <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au
>>> <mailto:McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All my mission critical services on the one
>>> physical port and cabling? I can't wait!
>>>
>>> Macca
>>> (unaffiliated in this context)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
>>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK all,
>>>>
>>>> The time is arriving for DC-Virtual
>>>> Cross-Connects to become a useful part of
>>>> our ISP lives.
>>>>
>>>> Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre
>>>> providers who choose to replicate the
>>>> model, the Megaport one is what we've got
>>>> at the moment, and we might as well start
>>>> using it.
>>>>
>>>> I've been having a few discussions with
>>>> people about buying connectivity (not just
>>>> transit) over the Megaport VxC fabric, but
>>>> I am not sure if anyone out there has
>>>> productised the selling of products over
>>>> the VxC fabric.
>>>>
>>>> I know people like Amazon AWS will now
>>>> allow you to connect to them over Megaport
>>>> with a Direct Connect... and that is great.
>>>>
>>>> What I am looking for are some transit
>>>> providers who are on, or getting on
>>>> Megaport, who will sell either Transit or
>>>> Wholesale services over the fabric.
>>>>
>>>> I was at an event recently, when Jason
>>>> Ashton said that he was willing to do
>>>> BigAir wholesale interconnects over
>>>> Megaport - and that is an awesome start.
>>>> What I would love to see is people like
>>>> AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others be able to sell
>>>> more wholesale tails over this fabric.
>>>>
>>>> Transit should be an easy one. for $200
>>>> intrastate between any connected DC's, with
>>>> capacity up to the connection of your pipe
>>>> (10Gb or 100Gb), I see people selling
>>>> transit as a no-brainer.
>>>>
>>>> If you are doing this and want to announce
>>>> it here, awesome... or if you don't want to
>>>> announce yet, but happy to let me know - I
>>>> will keep it quiet until you are ready to
>>>> announce it.
>>>>
>>>> Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX,
>>>> Equinix Peering - have you thought of
>>>> connecting to Megaport for the VxC, so
>>>> people can actually use the Megaport fabric
>>>> to get onto your IX as well?
>>>>
>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>
>>>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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