[AusNOG] Pipe/Equinix Peering Costs

Sat May 4 23:42:54 EST 2013

This is an interesting question.  Why doesn't Google peer on Equinix IX in
Sydney?

Google?

...Skeeve

*Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Brad Evans <brad at delion.com.au> wrote:

>  2 weeks ago we found TPG stopped sending traffic back to our AS via
> Equinix Exchange and they preferred to send traffic through our PIPE IP
> Transit connection. Fair enough, they want us to pay PIPE Transit for
> traffic from TPG rather than give it to us for free.
>
> So we withdrew our prefixes from Pipe Transit to do further testing - TPG
> preferred to go through Optus->Vocus to reach us (we also use Vocus for
> Transit) rather than direct across Equinix Exchange.  So it seems they have
> no interest in sending traffic back to us over Equinix Exchange any more.
> Not a very open policy for peering if they are selectively refusing to
> route traffic to Equinix Exchange participants.
>
> One final gripe (unrelated to PIPE/TPG) - Google doesn't openly peer on
> Equinix Exchange, but they do on PIPE IX.
>
> -Brad
>
> On 3/05/2013 5:46 PM, Joshua D'Alton wrote:
>
> Less of a problem than all international traffic returning via PPC1,
> adding a good 60ms to eastbound. And unfortunately the routing policies
> don't seem to differ between residential and commercial (dsl and fiber),
> though I don't know of any AU provider that does (maybe AAPT before they
> sold residential?). What exetel do with traffic is interesting too, it
> might indeed be as Skeeve suggests, the death of pipe peering...
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Brett <bwtricky89 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You could always do what TPG are current doing and having all PIPE
>> traffic return via Sydney regardless of state it originates from. It's
>> quite lovely with what they come up with..
>>
>>   1 vl102.cor2.mel6.on.ii.net (150.101.212.246) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
>> 2 gi2-0-0.bdr1.mel6.on.ii.net (150.101.210.138) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec
>> 3 te2-0-0.bdr1.cbr1.on.ii.net (150.101.160.173) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec
>> 4 xe-0-0-0.cr1.cbr2.on.ii.net (150.101.33.84) 12 msec 8 msec 8 msec
>> 5 ae2.br1.syd4.on.ii.net (150.101.33.22) 36 msec 12 msec 12 msec
>> 6 p7545.syd.equinix.com (202.167.228.79) 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec
>> 7 nme-nxg-wal-crt2-ge-6-0-0.tpgi.com.au (202.7.162.53) 12 msec 12 msec
>> 12 msec
>>
>>  1 gi1-20-102.cor1.adl6.on.ii.net (203.16.215.14) 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec
>> 2 xe-11-0-0.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net (150.101.225.229) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
>> 3 ae4.br1.syd7.on.ii.net (150.101.33.34) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec
>> 4 as7545.sydney.pipenetworks.com (218.100.2.40) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec
>> 5 nme-sot-dry-crt2-Gi3-0-0.tpgi.com.au (203.12.162.238) 20 msec 20 msec
>> 20 msec
>>
>>
>> On 3 May 2013 14:03, Luke Iggleden <luke+ausnog at sisgroup.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Skeeve + List,
>>>
>>> I'm interested in routing policy for each connected peer. Did anyone
>>> provide insight into how they are electing egress paths?
>>>
>>> We local pref equinix due to least cost, however, we seem to have a lot
>>> more ingress flows via pipe peering.
>>>
>>> Are operators local preffing pipe peering over equinix or vice versa or
>>> are you just letting as-path length decide?
>>>
>>> If you're letting AS-PATH decide what is your tie breaker condition (if
>>> you have one?)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/04/13 9:50 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> More pricing has been added/updated... thanks for the info all.
>>>>
>>>> For those who were getting a 404.. Welcome to the world of IPv6...
>>>> whoops.. I was using the wrong IP damnit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>
>>>>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com <mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com> ;
>>>> www.eintellegonetworks.com <http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383<%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383>;
>>>> skype://skeeve
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Skeeve Stevens
>>>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>  <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hey all,
>>>>
>>>>     OK.. after a pile of responses about peering prices, and almost as
>>>>     many asking for me to share the info I collected...  I've put it in
>>>>     a blog post for all to access.
>>>>
>>>>     If you have any information about peering pricing that you wish to
>>>>     share with me privately, but don't mind me adding to the post...
>>>>     then let me know and I will update it.
>>>>
>>>>     http://theispguy.com/peeringpricing/
>>>>
>>>>     Later, I might turn this into a resource that I keep updated.  At
>>>>     the moment working on a project to document all Australian
>>>>     datacentres/tail providers... but be patient.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ...Skeeve
>>>>
>>>>      *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>     skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>     <mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com> ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>     <http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383<%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383>;
>>>> skype://skeeve
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>     Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Skeeve Stevens
>>>>     <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>      <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Hey all,
>>>>
>>>>         If possible, I am wanting to find out how much Pipe and Equinix
>>>>         peering costs at the moment for 100mb and 1Gb links.
>>>>
>>>>         I know there was some price drops a while ago, but not sure what
>>>>         the current buy price is.
>>>>
>>>>         I could wait till Monday and ask them, but I have to write some
>>>>         recommendations up over the weekend.
>>>>
>>>>         Please feel free to reply to me off-list.
>>>>
>>>>         ...Skeeve
>>>>
>>>>          *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>         skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>         <mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com> ;
>>>>         www.eintellegonetworks.com <http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383<%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383>;
>>>> skype://skeeve
>>>>
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>>>>         <http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>>>
>>>>         Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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