[AusNOG] IPv6 - What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?
don at bowenvale.co.nz
Thu Mar 7 12:24:39 EST 2013
Sorry I should have better qualified my statement.
I'm quite sure I could get native v6 on dialup at this address as well
if I really put some effort in.
Going from 100/10 to 10/1 would be just like moving from broadband to
dial up as far as I'm concerned.
I have to weigh up my need for v6 v's my need to spin up a new Linux box
in 10 minutes or throw a 5Gb VPS image from here to somewhere else,
without it impacting the other users on the network, phones, alarms and
In Wellington the HFC network is wholesaled because they have a
different network configuration which makes that possible.
With out question I would have just changed RSPs to SNAP or DTS or one
of the other leading v6 providers.
On 6/03/2013 10:01 p.m., Bill Walker wrote:
> Hi Don,
> You can get native IPv6 at your address, 31 Acheson Avenue, Mairehau,
> Christchurch City, so this statement isn't correct.
> "The only provider in my area can't deliver it at all on their platform."
> I checked (http://www.chorus.co.nz/service-availability-tool) and you
> can get ADSL, in which case you are able to procure a DSL service from a
> few NZ ISP's that offer native IPv6.
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:23:00 +1300, Don Gould wrote:
>> On 6/03/2013 1:58 p.m., Mark Newton wrote:
>>> If the members of this list had started low-key activities back in
>>> 2011 when APNIC's last-/8 policy commenced, they'd be done by now,
>>> the staff working on it would have received ample on-the-job training
>>> about how it works, and the additional cost they'd have incurred
>>> would have been pretty minimal.
>> How can I put this really tactfully? RUBBISH!
>> I did exactly this.
>> I discovered that some of my software providers have no interest at all
>> in the space.
>> Some of my hardware suppliers have bug after bug fix for v6 in the past
>> 12 month.
>> The only provider in my area can't deliver it at all on their platform.
>> I've looked at 3 different hardware vendors for edge gear. The price
>> point in all cases is 50% higher than v4 gear.
>> To fix my software problem, which is FLOSS, I'm going to have to write
>> it myself, which means a truck load of learning.
>> I've bounced emails with any number of the leading experts in the world
>> - yes Geoff and Owen I'm looking at both of you... why? Because I
>> couldn't just find simple answers on wikipedia like I can for v4 for the
>> stuff I need... don't even get me started on PTR issues that I still
>> don't have a clue what to do with.
>> Mark I don't have you ability. I don't have your skill level, but I
>> don't think I can be accused of not giving this stuff a good go and I
>> keep running at it.
>> We have to stop saying this stuff is simple. It's not!
>> In the SMB space we have dozens of different small systems with decades
>> of v4 learning with software systems that are really really mature -
>> read 40 years v's this v6 stuff which is still being thrashed out and
>> clearly dozens, hundreds or even thousands of us are just not across yet.
>> If it was simple then my provider would already be delivering me native
>> v6 on their last BRAS update 18 months ago.
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