[AusNOG] IPv4

Skeeve Stevens skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
Sun Mar 3 21:46:56 EST 2013


You know how much I respect you... but I think you misunderstand my

I mostly agree with what most people have said about IPv4, the RIR's, and
so on.

What my perspective is... it is too late to cry about it.  There is nothing
that can be done about the past, and very little we can do to change the
situation.  That is just how it is.

I do not think it is a disgraceful attitude to want to get over the past,
and get on with the future.  The IPv4 party is over.  Let's do IPv6 better.

I did NOT say that people who don't have IPv4 have themselves to blame.  My
analogy is about people whinging about how they wished they'd done things
differently in the past.  They didn't, so get over it.  There is NO value
to non-stop whinging.

There is absolutely NOTHING that can be done to save IPv4.  It is GONE...
NONE LEFT... Why don't people get that?.... I am starting to sound like
Geoff Huston here....

My support for the lowering of the assignment fee has been to SUPPORT those
countries whose infrastructure was not developed enough in time to be a
part of the v4 candy store.  Countries with massive populations and low
incomes will now be able to more easily obtain some of the v4 that is
left... and that is an awesome thing.

Clearly you haven't been reading my posts, because I've been 200%
supporting the start-ups, developing countries.  And Yes, I have travelled
the developing world and seen how internet access can make a difference.
 This is WHY I am involved with APNIC and spend my own money attending
these conferences.

Look over the Ausnog archives and see how many times in the past 3-4 years
I've TRIED in vain to get people involved in APNIC and it's policy
process... only for those calls to fall on deaf ears.  Even when the APNIC
conference was held on the Gold Coast... how many Aussies got off their
asses and went? Bugger all... even Brisbane and Gold Coast ISPs barely
turned up.

As I said... no one seems to care until it directly affects them... and
then it is 'whoa is me'.  I am sorry if my 'Get over it' offends you or
anyone else... but as blunt as that is... it is all you can do now.  The
only v4 left are scraps, and nothing at all that can be done to fix the

I'm personally hurt and insulted that you think so little of everything
I've done to try and be involved in the internet governance process... and
trying to get local people involved.  I am but one man in a region of some
4 billion trying to do his best... but now the game has ended.... and no
amount of ranting is going to change that.


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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Bevan Slattery <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com>wrote:

>   From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
> Date: Sunday, 3 March 2013 8:04 PM
> To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
> Resent-From: Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>
>  "Basically yes.  But get over it."
>  Sorry Skeeve, but that's a disgraceful attitude.  Many on this list
> seems to think "we're so freakin' smart we went ahead and gorged ourselves
> on IP addresses to the detriment of the global community and now we are
> making a motza from it.  Sucks to be you for not seeing this coming".
>  Well here's the news flash – everyone who thinks themselves soooo clever
> and smug are frankly obtuse and their level of arrogance disgusts me.  You
> think everyone without IPv4 space has only themselves to blame – remarks
> that seem to be coming from middle aged people working for providers
> greater than 5 years old in a developed economy who have been in the
> industry for years.
>  So Skeeve and others, I'd like to go to Iraq, or Afghanistan or Somalia
> and tell them that they have no address space and sucks to be them because
> they were too stupid not to see the IPv4 coming. Disregard that it's mainly
> because they were too busy fighting a war, trying to find food for their
> family or too busy walking kilometres to go to a mud hut with a chalk board
> for a "iPad" 5 years ago.
>  Or how about you go visit people in China and India who have
> 2,000,000,000 people trying to lift themselves out of some of the lowest
> wages ever and despite being so desperate to get connected to the internet
> to find their way to "freedom" and information – yes – freedom and
> information you know that thing the internet provides (?) and let them know
> they've despite having 1/3 of the worlds population you're getting shafted
> because the Shinhwa news agency didn't let them know there was an IPv4
> crunch coming.  Dare you to put an ad in the paper and invite all those
> Chinese people to who can't connect to come down the "the square" to talk
> to you about why they can't.
>  While you're at it, go into a tech incubator or anyone who is in their
> late teens/early 20's who dare to do what we do and start an ISP and tell
> them "sucks to be you – I've effectively lied my ass off to APNIC and the
> other RIR's to get my hands on a life supply of IPv4 and relied on their
> pathetic IPv4 management systems to starve your hard earned start up
> dollars and your future while I make huge $$ because I have no conscience!
> ".
>  So the plan seems to be "we're going to screw the youth/up and coming
> countries and developing countries and sell our IP's to them and IPv6 isn't
> going to get traction until they are bleeding out of their noses and they
> die on the floor.  Sanctioned extortion effectively.  We're putting a price
> on their future and freedom.  How smart are we."
>  The hubris and arrogance here simply disgusts me and even worse, those
> that lied their ass off to steal more addresses than they needed are now
> playing mercenary to the future development of our youth or developing
> countries.  What makes it worse It's coming from people who are involved in
> the RIR's and the lack of compassion and disdain being displayed is frankly
> beneath what the internet community is all about.
>  I expected a lot more from a lot of middle aged people who were all
> young once and were given a chance.  Screw your arrogance and hubris.  Get
> your head out of your arses and travel the world and see what the power and
> freedom the internet and IPv4 provides – at least for the next 5 years and
> remember that you too were young once and that the only reason your so
> god-damn smart is because he you managed to fallout of a womans uterus in a
> lucky country.
>  If you can't read between the lines call me and I'll make it very clear
> how pathetic your attitude is.
>  [b]
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