[AusNOG] IPv4

Joshua D'Alton joshua at railgun.com.au
Sun Mar 3 21:27:24 EST 2013

Its also pretty disgraceful to think internet really matters for those 2
billion too. He doesn't think those without space have only themselves to
blame, he thinks those that are still caught in v4 land have only
themselves to blame. Theres a difference.

It might be bad that Somalia has no ip space and to get some will cost a
tonne, but whats worse is thinking it a good idea they start off with v4
instead of v6, They'll just get screwed down the track...

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Bevan Slattery <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com>wrote:

>   From: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
> Date: Sunday, 3 March 2013 8:04 PM
> To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
> Resent-From: Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>
>  "Basically yes.  But get over it."
>  Sorry Skeeve, but that's a disgraceful attitude.  Many on this list
> seems to think "we're so freakin' smart we went ahead and gorged ourselves
> on IP addresses to the detriment of the global community and now we are
> making a motza from it.  Sucks to be you for not seeing this coming".
>  Well here's the news flash – everyone who thinks themselves soooo clever
> and smug are frankly obtuse and their level of arrogance disgusts me.  You
> think everyone without IPv4 space has only themselves to blame – remarks
> that seem to be coming from middle aged people working for providers
> greater than 5 years old in a developed economy who have been in the
> industry for years.
>  So Skeeve and others, I'd like to go to Iraq, or Afghanistan or Somalia
> and tell them that they have no address space and sucks to be them because
> they were too stupid not to see the IPv4 coming. Disregard that it's mainly
> because they were too busy fighting a war, trying to find food for their
> family or too busy walking kilometres to go to a mud hut with a chalk board
> for a "iPad" 5 years ago.
>  Or how about you go visit people in China and India who have
> 2,000,000,000 people trying to lift themselves out of some of the lowest
> wages ever and despite being so desperate to get connected to the internet
> to find their way to "freedom" and information – yes – freedom and
> information you know that thing the internet provides (?) and let them know
> they've despite having 1/3 of the worlds population you're getting shafted
> because the Shinhwa news agency didn't let them know there was an IPv4
> crunch coming.  Dare you to put an ad in the paper and invite all those
> Chinese people to who can't connect to come down the "the square" to talk
> to you about why they can't.
>  While you're at it, go into a tech incubator or anyone who is in their
> late teens/early 20's who dare to do what we do and start an ISP and tell
> them "sucks to be you – I've effectively lied my ass off to APNIC and the
> other RIR's to get my hands on a life supply of IPv4 and relied on their
> pathetic IPv4 management systems to starve your hard earned start up
> dollars and your future while I make huge $$ because I have no conscience!
> ".
>  So the plan seems to be "we're going to screw the youth/up and coming
> countries and developing countries and sell our IP's to them and IPv6 isn't
> going to get traction until they are bleeding out of their noses and they
> die on the floor.  Sanctioned extortion effectively.  We're putting a price
> on their future and freedom.  How smart are we."
>  The hubris and arrogance here simply disgusts me and even worse, those
> that lied their ass off to steal more addresses than they needed are now
> playing mercenary to the future development of our youth or developing
> countries.  What makes it worse It's coming from people who are involved in
> the RIR's and the lack of compassion and disdain being displayed is frankly
> beneath what the internet community is all about.
>  I expected a lot more from a lot of middle aged people who were all
> young once and were given a chance.  Screw your arrogance and hubris.  Get
> your head out of your arses and travel the world and see what the power and
> freedom the internet and IPv4 provides – at least for the next 5 years and
> remember that you too were young once and that the only reason your so
> god-damn smart is because he you managed to fallout of a womans uterus in a
> lucky country.
>  If you can't read between the lines call me and I'll make it very clear
> how pathetic your attitude is.
>  [b]
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