[AusNOG] IPv6

[Michael Andreas Schipp]

Skeeve, I like this idea but I see a possible problem.   You will break GEO location unless you go down that same path as breaking the main address space by country first - this can lead to waste (or do it multiple time to get a DB of GEO based address ranges every x time to divide it).

Yes I know the range is HUGE for IPv6 but... thinking now save pain later.  Maybe unlike v4 to v6 next time we to vX we will make it backwards compatible.... As this is the sticking point for IPv6 - there is no native IPv4 to IPv6 or vice versa thus we have DS Lite, 6RD, Map-E/T and many others.

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Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2013 7:23 PM
To: Paul Wallace
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4

I don't agree.  DNS serves a different function entirely.

...Skeeve

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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au<mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>> wrote:
That's what DNS is for Skeeve.

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On 03/03/2013, at 6:03 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
I read this when it came out.  While I understand exactly what Jeff is saying, I personally don't agree with his approach.

I personally would like to see something else happen.... and I know this is far out, but here goes.

I'd like to see individuals to be able to get a /48 themselves... for it to be 'theirs' that they can take to ANY ISP they like (or more than one) and get announced.  They could keep it for life in theory.

I see that it could be like a cell/mobile number... port it, move it around, use it on your cell phone or anything you like... imaging wandering into a cell store and saying 'use this /64 please for my handset'.

There is enough /48's to do that for the entire planet, squillions of times over.... so why not?  Well, obviously BGP technology would have to change just a little bit ;-)  But I am sure it could be done.

THEN, ISPs wouldn't even need that much space themselves if every business and individual had their own space for all their own devices ;-)

BOOM! Mind blown.

...Skeeve

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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Paul Gear <ausnog at libertysys.com.au<mailto:ausnog at libertysys.com.au>> wrote:
On 03/03/2013 05:30 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Correct.

A /22 of IPv4 is equal to a /32 IPv6.  So you get up to a /32 of v6 for no extra fee.

BUT... If you are a business, expect only a /48...  If you are a Service Provider, you can probably justify a /32.

but seriously... a /48 is a TONNE for a business.  The only reason you'd want more is if you have multiple networks in geographic  disparate locations with different upstreams.
...

Jeff Doyle begged to differ on this a little while back:

http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/logic-bad-ipv6-address-management

TL;DR version:

  *   Businesses: allocate a /48 for every building, no matter how small.
  *   ISPs: allocate a /48 for every residential customer.
  *   Consistency is much more important than waste management.
Paul

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