ausnog at libertysys.com.au
Sun Mar 3 18:14:12 EST 2013
I just sent a message privately to James about this very topic, but now
that it has been brought up, perhaps it's worth sharing with the list:
Something that don't understand is: why isn't there a larger price
difference (from APNIC's perspective) between IPv4 and IPv6, and why
isn't there a larger price difference between developing and developed
I would have thought that if IPv6 adoption is an economic problem, part
of the answer would be to dramatically lower cost barriers to entry for
IPv6. I run a single-person small business, and i would love to be IPv6
enabled, but because i'm multi-homed through two consumer-grade ISPs, i
can't do IPv6 without getting my own allocation. The minimum price to
spend with APNIC is $1,180 per year to get this (disregarding membership
fees for the time being), and that gets me anything up to a /34. Cost
from there climbs rather rapidly, with /33 = $1,534 and /32 = $1,994.
But even the minimum is more than i pay for my entire year's Internet
access from my primary ISP.
If the minimum of $1,180 were eliminated and one followed the IPv6
pricing down the chain to /48, the costs would represent pretty minimal
barriers to entry for smaller organisations:
*Prefix* */56 blocks* *Cost*
32 16777216 $1,994.20
33 8388608 $1,534.00
34 4194304 $1,180.00
35 2097152 $907.69
36 1048576 $698.22
37 524288 $537.10
38 262144 $413.15
39 131072 $317.81
40 65536 $244.47
41 32768 $188.05
42 16384 $144.66
43 8192 $111.27
44 4096 $85.60
45 2048 $65.84
46 1024 $50.65
47 512 $38.96
48 256 $29.97
The other thing i think would help in relation to this would be
eliminating (or dramatically reducing) the associate membership fee for
IPv6-only allocations. This would put usable IPv6 allocations within
the reach of any organisation in any of the economies that APNIC serves.
I don't know where the appropriate place to raise this issue is, but i
would really like to see it considered.
On 03/03/2013 04:47 PM, Don Gould wrote:
> You missed my point. Sorry clearly I wrote it badly.
> I'm not an APNIC member. I just want to have a play to grow my learning.
> In the past we all just used to help each other out and stuff just
> 'got done'.
> To me, this whole debate is just a joke. I remember when 'we' used to
> be the tight internet community raging against the 'telco PSTN'
> community, forging into new ideas, just making stuff happen.
> As we've grown up it feels like we've lost our youthful spirit of
> community and just making stuff happen. We seem to have become the
> monster we all used to hate on.
> Sure, I can email helpdesk at apnic.... but I'm quite sure I'll get
> refered to some member ship forms and have to go find myself $3,000
> before I can play.
> Spence's point was that you could just email some dude called Geoff...
> he was everyone's mate, that guy who shows up at the meetings, seems
> to know his stuff, writes an interesting blog and hung around one of
> the uni's that some of us went to.
> Now it's some faceless, nameless email address with no personality, no
> love, no sense of 'if ya willing to step up to ask and give it a go
> then we'll give you some resource to support you'.
> ...wonder if I better explained my thoughts?
> On 3/03/2013 7:34 p.m., Jeremy Visser wrote:
>> On 03/03/13 17:18, Don Gould wrote:
>>> With respect to APNIC, has James highlighted and problem in the world
>>> we're now living?
>>> Who do I 'just email' to get a v6 block that I can announce?
>> helpdesk at apnic.net
>> There is probably a more specific way to request a v6 block, but the
>> helpdesk will point you in the right direction. It's what they get paid
>> to do. :-)
>> At my work, we have a /21 of IPv4 allocated to us. Because a /21 of IPv4
>> costs more than a /32 of IPv6, we don't pay anything extra for our IPv6
>> Thus made it very easy to justify playing with IPv6 to the boss. :-)
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