[AusNOG] APNIC Slashes Costs for New Members

Jared Hirst jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au
Fri Mar 1 20:58:55 EST 2013

If you have a genuine need for space then I will happily help you.


Jared Hirst
Servers Australia Pty Ltd
Phone: 1300 788 862
Direct: (02) 4307 4205
E-mail: jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au

On 01/03/2013, at 8:47 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:

It would be nice to see some sort of "applying for IP allocations for
dummies" post put up somewhere, as some one who has only ever had to deal
with applying to ISP's for ranges, applying to APNIC seems daunting.


On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:

> On 01/03/2013, at 19:31, Jared Hirst <jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au>
> wrote:
> > Agree, and one would have thought that me as a member paying them they
> > would at least look into people taking advantage of the system,
> > clearly I'm just the only one that sees this as an issue.
> Look, I think I see the problem.
> You clearly believe that "the system" is supposed to make it difficult and
> inconvenient to obtain IPv4 address space, and therefore anyone who makes
> use of APNIC policies and procedures in a way that enables them to get
> access to IPv4 in ways that aren't difficult and inconvenient are "taking
> advantage of the system."
> Due to this misapprehension on your part, you naturally believe that APNIC
> need to be concerned, and need to do something (what?) to make it difficult
> and inconvenient to get IPv4 addresses.
> This attitude is reasonably common among people who've heard war stories
> about how hard it is to get addresses without having done it themselves.
> Usually the same people who think a "class C" is still a thing.
> Your error is pretty easy to resolve, you merely need to accept that there
> has never been a requirement for addresses to be difficult or inconvenient
> to obtain, and those who find it simple are merely, to put it mildly,
> perhaps better at this kind of thing than you are. In the sense that
> they're getting their addresses easily, without jumping through the
> imaginary hoops you seem to think everyone needs to jump through.
> A small attitude adjustment is all it requires. Then you can stop being
> "frustrated", APNIC can stop spending member money answering your phone
> calls, and everyone can continue to get the addresses which APNIC's finely
> handcrafted policies say they're entitled to.
> As Mark Smith hinted: move on to "acceptance."  Win-win!
> > Sorry for bringing it up, I'll remember in future to just be attend a
> > political meeting with APNIC and not voice it here for discussion :)
> Start with policy-sig, at the very least. No airfares required.
>    - mark
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