<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>If you have a genuine need for space then I will happily help you.<br><br>Regards,<div><br></div><div>Jared Hirst</div>
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<br>On 01/03/2013, at 8:47 PM, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">It would be nice to see some sort of "applying for IP allocations for dummies" post put up somewhere, as some one who has only ever had to deal with applying to ISP's for ranges, applying to APNIC seems daunting. <div>
<br></div><div style>--Damian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Mark Newton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 01/03/2013, at 19:31, Jared Hirst <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Agree, and one would have thought that me as a member paying them they<br>
> would at least look into people taking advantage of the system,<br>
> clearly I'm just the only one that sees this as an issue.<br>
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</div>Look, I think I see the problem.<br>
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You clearly believe that "the system" is supposed to make it difficult and inconvenient to obtain IPv4 address space, and therefore anyone who makes use of APNIC policies and procedures in a way that enables them to get access to IPv4 in ways that aren't difficult and inconvenient are "taking advantage of the system."<br>
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Due to this misapprehension on your part, you naturally believe that APNIC need to be concerned, and need to do something (what?) to make it difficult and inconvenient to get IPv4 addresses.<br>
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This attitude is reasonably common among people who've heard war stories about how hard it is to get addresses without having done it themselves. Usually the same people who think a "class C" is still a thing.<br>
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Your error is pretty easy to resolve, you merely need to accept that there has never been a requirement for addresses to be difficult or inconvenient to obtain, and those who find it simple are merely, to put it mildly, perhaps better at this kind of thing than you are. In the sense that they're getting their addresses easily, without jumping through the imaginary hoops you seem to think everyone needs to jump through.<br>
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A small attitude adjustment is all it requires. Then you can stop being "frustrated", APNIC can stop spending member money answering your phone calls, and everyone can continue to get the addresses which APNIC's finely handcrafted policies say they're entitled to.<br>
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As Mark Smith hinted: move on to "acceptance." Win-win!<br>
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> Sorry for bringing it up, I'll remember in future to just be attend a<br>
> political meeting with APNIC and not voice it here for discussion :)<br>
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</div>Start with policy-sig, at the very least. No airfares required.<br>
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- mark<br>
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