[AusNOG] UK ISP's told to block P2P

Nick Gale nickgale at gmail.com
Wed May 2 12:54:49 EST 2012

Don't forget the people who make the resistors in the first place because
they might be used in a device that promotes piracy.

On 2 May 2012 10:42, Nicholas Meredith <nicholas at udhaonline.net> wrote:

> It's even stupider than past cases, as I see it now it's even more
> perplexing; court rulings I read about for British Telecom placed them, BT
> (the ISP), as responsible for wearing all costs of implementing a (likely
> flawed) site blocking solution; all to protect somebody else's copyright.
>  Surely it is the copyright holder's responsibility to enforce their
> rights, not innocent 3rd parties.  Next I suppose we will see TV stations
> and content creators outright billing device manufacturers of Free-to-air
> HDTV receivers, because viewers might have recorded transmissions using
> them?
> -ndm
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>wrote:
>> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 12:07:22PM +1000, Nicholas Meredith wrote:
>>  > I really don't understand how a directory service can be held
>> responsible
>>  > for the bad actions of one or more of it's listings.  It's just a phone
>>  > book for torrents, both good and bad, what nonsense.
>> It isn't even that anymore.
>> Protocols morph in response to threats.
>> Napster was attacked, which begat Gnutella.
>> Gnutella was attacked, which begat eDonkey.
>> eDonkey was attacked, which begat Kazaa.
>> Kazaa was attacked, which begat BitTorrent.
>> BitTorrent was attacked by DPI, which begat encrypted bittorrent, DHT,
>> BT-over-IPv6, and various other variations to the protocol which are
>> too numerous to mention.
>> Updated BitTorrent was attacked through legal means, which begat
>> BitTorrent "magnets" to eliminate centralized trackers altogether.
>> As of right now, we can all download our own copies of the entire
>> TPB site onto a USB stick and run our own local mirrors.
>> 20th Century Fox, owners of Star Wars, appear to have never
>> heard of, "Strike me down, you will only make me stronger."
>> Disney, owners of Fantasia, appear to have never watched the
>> scene where Mickey Mouse attacks mops with an axe.
>> In aggregate, they've all spent hundreds of millions of dollars to
>> test and strengthen p2p distribution networks, which now have a
>> magnificently effective immune system against the attacks they've
>> had to face.
>> Doesn't sound to me like it's working out very well for them.
>>  - mark
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