[AusNOG] IPv4 Exhaustion, APNIC EC, and James is a nice bloke ; -)

Nick Brown nick at inticon.net
Wed Jul 23 14:27:50 EST 2008

And to take a possible rant entirely off topic (but continuing the rant 
component)... :-)

They didn't just use it, they wrote it. And one can only assume that the 
developers at Optus have some clue as to what a decent sized ISP 
actually needs. I am growing increasingly tired of people essentially 
paying us out because we use it (It gets frustrating when our suppliers 
take that very stance also).

It certainly performs better then any 720X I've ever seen. (Not that I'm 
paying out Cisco, we use it everywhere else).

Personally I think its worth it for the one feature Cisco doesn't come 
with - show banana :-)


Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>> Things will move on - there will be more focus on predictable things.  
>> eg.  with so MUCH address space we'll focus more on discovery of other 
>> devices.   This'll lead to a focus on end-device discovery using other 
>> means rather than port scans.   Harvesting addresses through other means 
>> (email headers etc?)
> I was going to reply to this thread earlier but it might've been construed
> as ranting. (Me? ranting? Never.)
> One word - P2P. Or three words. Anyway, its the easiest way to figure out
> active IPv6 endpoints without ever really giving away that you're collating
> data.
> Me, I just wish people would stop buying devices based heavily on price and
> then only really whinge about how unstable/buggy they are.
> Eg:
> Me: "Why not look at l2tpns? You've got clueful systems programmers, surely?"
> Them: "Because you can't get support for it, and its not commercial."
> Me: "What did you buy then?"
> Them: "Cisco 10k."
> Me: "Oh, thats the (then mostly) new stuff. How's that working out for you?"
> Them: "Hm, mostly ok, but I've spent the last few weeks sorting out some RADIUS
>   bugs with Cisco, and quite inexplicably the RP's keep falling over, and god
>   do they chew a lot of power. Lucky we bought a second, and the old VXRs are
>   lying about in case we need to take the units out."
> Me: "So, with the money you spent on the 10ks, how much could you have spent
>   on getting l2tp up to scratch and working? I hear it worked for Optus for
>   a time.."
> Them: "..."
> (This is why I'm finally building commercial Squid boxes. I'm fed up with people
>  saying they'd love to run it but its not a commercial product with support.
>  Well, no excuses now..)
> Adrian
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