[AusNOG] IPv4 Exhaustion, APNIC EC, and James is a nice bloke ; -)

[Adrian Chadd]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:

> Things will move on - there will be more focus on predictable things.  
> eg.  with so MUCH address space we'll focus more on discovery of other 
> devices.   This'll lead to a focus on end-device discovery using other 
> means rather than port scans.   Harvesting addresses through other means 
> (email headers etc?)

I was going to reply to this thread earlier but it might've been construed
as ranting. (Me? ranting? Never.)

One word - P2P. Or three words. Anyway, its the easiest way to figure out
active IPv6 endpoints without ever really giving away that you're collating
data.

Me, I just wish people would stop buying devices based heavily on price and
then only really whinge about how unstable/buggy they are.

Eg:

Me: "Why not look at l2tpns? You've got clueful systems programmers, surely?"
Them: "Because you can't get support for it, and its not commercial."
Me: "What did you buy then?"
Them: "Cisco 10k."
Me: "Oh, thats the (then mostly) new stuff. How's that working out for you?"
Them: "Hm, mostly ok, but I've spent the last few weeks sorting out some RADIUS
  bugs with Cisco, and quite inexplicably the RP's keep falling over, and god
  do they chew a lot of power. Lucky we bought a second, and the old VXRs are
  lying about in case we need to take the units out."
Me: "So, with the money you spent on the 10ks, how much could you have spent
  on getting l2tp up to scratch and working? I hear it worked for Optus for
  a time.."
Them: "..."

(This is why I'm finally building commercial Squid boxes. I'm fed up with people
 saying they'd love to run it but its not a commercial product with support.
 Well, no excuses now..)




Adrian