<div dir="ltr">Can someone print that and show NBN next time they claim their purpose above all else is to "deliver an investment grade return" when they argue about price/reliability/competition/etc? </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 10:59 AM John Edwards <<a href="mailto:jaedwards@gmail.com">jaedwards@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">NBN's purpose is to lift the digital capability of Australia.<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/about-nbn-co/our-purpose" target="_blank">https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/about-nbn-co/our-purpose</a><br><div><br></div><div>The takeaway from offshoring activities is that the Australian government does not consider Network Operations to be a digital capability.</div></div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 10:31, Matthew Moyle-Croft <<a href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au" target="_blank">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Saving money on one thing can cost a LOT in other ways. The large siloed organisation run by accountants story. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 10:10 PM Luke Thompson <<a href="mailto:luke.t@tncrew.com.au" target="_blank">luke.t@tncrew.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div dir="auto">I'm with you on follow the sun, much like iiNet & Co. did back in the day (very effectively, almost a work of art it was so good) with some functions. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In the context of a national network though, much as with Telstra the people are its greatest asset - and while it can be nightmarish landing the right folk especially over odd hours, building out a collaborative powerhouse of a team on-shore is the beauty spot if it fits. Especially with NOCs/SOCs.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Follow the sun isn't blatant off shoring as you say. Removing local functions entirely though will land you with internal chaos and severe problems down the track when trying to in<span style="font-size:12pt">source.</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Having multiple sites has its benefits (and challenges), I just don't think binning local makes any sort of sense with the NBN NOC. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div>
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<div dir="auto">NOC offshoring is nightmare territory - depending on how it's done. The </div>
<div dir="auto">national broadband network ought to be just that.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I'll mostly agree with that.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Pure NOC offshoring isn't great. Splitting a NOC into two or three sites </div>
<div dir="auto">for follow-the-sun coverage can work really well if smartly managed, </div>
<div dir="auto">saves trying to find good staff for a night shift, although of course it </div>
<div dir="auto">does add plenty of issues on its own.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Even just NOC remote from engineering, having a NOC in Brisbane, but </div>
<div dir="auto">engineering all done out of Melbourne has plenty of issues if you don't </div>
<div dir="auto">work strongly to ensure the various people actually talk to each other.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Or, if you're large enough, first tier separate from second can be much </div>
<div dir="auto">the same.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I'm currently working with our corporate network group, and it's my </div>
<div dir="auto">constant lament that I can't just sit in a room where their NOC folk are </div>
<div dir="auto">working to learn the things that aren't getting escalated, processes </div>
<div dir="auto">that don't quite work properly, and other things I might not see from </div>
<div dir="auto">reading their tickets. (The reasons why I can't just do this are long </div>
<div dir="auto">and far off topic for this)</div>
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<div dir="auto">If NBN were spinning up a NOC in the UK, Ireland, or possibly the </div>
<div dir="auto">US/Canada east coast that could be a very good idea, but it wouldn't be </div>
<div dir="auto">the cheap one.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If NBN are shifting things done in Australia as an attempt at a cost </div>
<div dir="auto">saving, I doubt it really will by the time all relevant costs are </div>
<div dir="auto">considered.</div>
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