<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Thanks for the assist Mark.  I've been trying to prolong my break but am now back on deck.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is nothing remotely operational about this thread so please do not continue it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class="">...<br class="">

<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 4 Jan 2023, at 2:47 am, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@gmail.com" class="">markzzzsmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">David asked for discussion about this ISP to be dropped here something like a month ago.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Please reread the charter to refresh your memory on what the purpose of this mailing list is.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><a href="https://www.ausnog.net/mailing_list/charter" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.ausnog.net/mailing_list/charter</a><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">There's a Rep forum on Whirlpool where this ISP can be discussed, as Wild IT and others were. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 3 Jan 2023, 22:39 Chad Kelly, <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">I must plug <a href="http://interactive.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">Interactive.com.au</a> at this point, pretty much guaranteed to fix any out of warranty hardware and have parts. Shows their lack of industry knowledge that the guys at Zoom

 BB didn’t know they existed, they are one of the largest IT firms in the country now a days.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>

<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Chad Kelly <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Manager <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">CPK Web Services <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Phone 03 52730246<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Web <a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img width="107" height="38" style="width:1.1145in;height:.3958in" id="m_624834330633564191m_731506931645412484m_-2344023534379305104m_-751393372709761959m_-1814622054113474267Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D91FC3.A9D124C0" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, 3 January 2023 10:16 PM<br class="">

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<b class="">Cc:</b> Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>; <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br class="">

<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>

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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 3 Jan 2023, at 6:30 pm, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hi Yeah noticed that.

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">The website still looks like it’s taking money though.

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Unless they just haven’t updated the homepage didn’t pay too much attention.

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">One thing I did point out to them is that November is a rather odd time for setting up an ISP, right before everyone goes on imbargo period.

</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.

</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Chad Kelly <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Manager <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">CPK Web Services <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Phone 03 52730246<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Web <a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="107" height="38" style="width:1.1145in;height:.3958in" id="m_624834330633564191m_731506931645412484m_-2344023534379305104m_-751393372709761959m_-1814622054113474267Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D91FC3.A9D124C0" alt="image001.jpg" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, 3 January 2023 9:05 PM<br class="">

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<b class="">Cc:</b> Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>;

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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 4:22 PM Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Yeah I get that.

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Bit concerned they’ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network.

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">You need a few more million for marketing on top of that.

</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they’ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required

 layer 2 you need millions to do it properly.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are

 so much better than residential.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="107" height="38" style="width:1.1145in;height:.3958in" id="m_624834330633564191m_731506931645412484m_-2344023534379305104m_-751393372709761959m_-1814622054113474267m_4441058427558823999Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D91FC3.A9D124C0" alt="image001.jpg" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM<br class="">

<b class="">To:</b> Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>><br class="">

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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Just to clarify it wasn’t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin.

</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">$3 per customer isn’t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer

and the higher ones $20 plus. <u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway.

</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM<br class="">

<b class="">To:</b> Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>><br class="">

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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>

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</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing

<a href="http://www.zoombroadband.com.au/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">www.zoombroadband.com.au</a> .

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me.

</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Plus this post on Ozbargain

<a href="https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">

https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment</a></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Look at page 5.

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Now I know the margins on NBN aren’t fantastic but $3 I wouldn’t even waste time with.

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">I mean I don’t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run.

<u class=""><u class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct.

</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Chad Kelly

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<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Phone 03 52730246<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Web

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