<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Morning all</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">While this topic is clearly of interest to some of you, I think most salient points have already been covered and it's hardly of an operational nature. If you'd like to continue the conversation please feel free to do so off-list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class="">...</div><br class="">
<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 6 Dec 2022, at 11:12 pm, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hi Basically this Zoom Broadband business has a lot of moving parts from what I can tell, business registration details are a bit of a mess.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">They just need to tidy up the domain registration details I think.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">As for this Jake fellow not totally sure what his involvement actually is, but it looks like a very young and rather green business.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I mean green as in unexperienced in this case.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I could spend all day on this but I’ve got a business of my own to run.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">As for Vocus nothing wrong with them overall, if their was Commonwealth Bank wouldn’t be dealing with them. You need to separate the sales team and the accounts team as I said in the Ozbargain thread they don’t care about you or your business your just a number to these huge corporations.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">That doesn’t mean they don’t want your business or to assist you , it just means that shareholders come first.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">You need to take that into consideration and come up with payment plans if things are tight.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Making up stories like some of the employees of Zoom Broadband have done just makes them look stupid I don’t believe any of the BS.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I wish the Zoom Broadband guys and girls luck but I don’t like their chances of succeeding with the way things are going.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">That burn rate is just too high according to what they have written they will make a loss of $1.5 million dollars. You need to be the size of Commbank to sustain those types of loss.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I will watch with interest particularly with some of the people involved in the business.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chad Kelly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Manager<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">CPK Web Services<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Phone 03 52730246<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Web<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.jpg@01D909CD.A4FC15B0"><image001.jpg></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Christopher Hawker <<a href="mailto:chris@thesysadmin.dev" class="">chris@thesysadmin.dev</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 6 December 2022 11:43 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>>; Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>; J. Hellenthal <<a href="mailto:jhellenthal@dataix.net" class="">jhellenthal@dataix.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">Looking at the ABR entry for Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd, the business name "Zoom Broadband" was registered on 04 November 2022, a little over a month ago.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""><a href="https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?id=663007949" class=""><span style="" class="">https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?id=663007949</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">I'm all for roasting a business if there's reason to do so (which is clearly the case here) and not to play the role of devil's advocate, however if we rely on information when doing so we need to fact-check against reliable sources otherwise we'll look like the silly ones with egg on our faces, and they'll be laughing at us.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">You don't want to go down that road.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">Furthermore, if<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://zoom.us/" class="">Zoom.us</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(the video conferencing organisation) does indeed have a trademark on the word "Zoom" they'll already know about Zoom Broadband.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">CH<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Get<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" class="">Outlook for Android</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center" class=""></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>><br class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 6 December 2022, 11:10 am<br class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Christopher Hawker <<a href="mailto:chris@thesysadmin.dev" class="">chris@thesysadmin.dev</a>>; Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>; J. Hellenthal <<a href="mailto:jhellenthal@dataix.net" class="">jhellenthal@dataix.net</a>><br class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cc:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Subject:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates written by a law firm in Sydney.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the contact details and the names to reflect their own operation.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">That said they haven’t even registered the business name or the company name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn’t be allowed to either as it’s a breach of Zoom’s trademark as they operate in the same sector.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chad Kelly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Manager<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">CPK Web Services<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Phone 03 52730246<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Web<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.jpg@01D909CD.A4FC15B0"><image001.jpg></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Christopher Hawker <<a href="mailto:chris@thesysadmin.dev" class="">chris@thesysadmin.dev</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>; J. Hellenthal <<a href="mailto:jhellenthal@dataix.net" class="">jhellenthal@dataix.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>; Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="elementtoproof"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white;" class="">Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract from other bad things though.</span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="elementtoproof"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white;" class=""><a href="https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj" class="">https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj</a></span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">CH.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center" class=""></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:</span></b><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>J. Hellenthal <<a href="mailto:jhellenthal@dataix.net" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">jhellenthal@dataix.net</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Christopher Hawker <<a href="mailto:chris@thesysadmin.dev" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">chris@thesysadmin.dev</span></a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a>>; Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear!<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal <<a href="mailto:jhellenthal@dataix.net" class="">jhellenthal@dataix.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> Should have included the link<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="228" style="width: 171pt; background-color: rgb(233, 233, 235); border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="padding: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;" class=""><span style="" class=""><preview.png></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td style="padding: 0cm;" class=""><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="228" style="width: 171pt; background-color: rgb(233, 233, 235);"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="padding: 6pt 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin-left: 12pt; margin-right: 12pt; max-width: 100%; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""><a href="https://s3.amazonaws.com/appforest_uf/f1667719541111x908030374461724800/ZBB-PP-CTC-V1.pdf" class="">ZBB-PP-CTC-V1</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt;" class=""><a href="https://s3.amazonaws.com/appforest_uf/f1667719541111x908030374461724800/ZBB-PP-CTC-V1.pdf" class="">PDF Document · 246 KB</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-- <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> J. Hellenthal<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal <<a href="mailto:jhellenthal@dataix.net" class="">jhellenthal@dataix.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 bucket.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-- <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> J. Hellenthal<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker <<a href="mailto:chris@thesysadmin.dev" class="">chris@thesysadmin.dev</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">CH.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div id="x_ms-outlook-mobile-signature" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Get<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" class="">Outlook for Android</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center" class=""></div><div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:</span></b><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</span></a>> on behalf of Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>J. Hellenthal <<a href="mailto:jhellenthal@dataix.net" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">jhellenthal@dataix.net</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a>>; Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">It’s been 15 years since I worked there, but I’m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus….<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal <<a href="mailto:jhellenthal@dataix.net" class="">jhellenthal@dataix.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ...<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Phone: 1300 727 414<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.zoombroadband.com.au/" class="">www.zoombroadband.com.au</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-- <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> J. Hellenthal<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn’t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I am surprised the wholesale provider didn’t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">They are going to get burnt.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chad Kelly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Manager<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">CPK Web Services<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Phone 03 52730246<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Web<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bradley Amm <<a href="mailto:brad@bradleyamm.com" class="">brad@bradleyamm.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">If you are already a customer, <strong class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">run away</span></strong>. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server – it's all client side.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">What does that mean?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see:<br class="">– The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason – anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions)<br class="">– The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored)<br class="">– FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified<br class="">– What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS<br class="">– Secrets to access the Radius server<br class="">– Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-bottom: 9.6pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">And what is most interesting, <strong class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry</span></strong>, is a test account – <a href="mailto:jberry@hypernet.com.au" class=""><span style="color: rgb(34, 51, 153);" class="">jberry@hypernet.com.au</span></a> – what a strange coincidence</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPad<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;">On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Yeah I get that.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Bit concerned they’ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">You need a few more million for marketing on top of that.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they’ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chad Kelly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Manager<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">CPK Web Services<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Phone 03 52730246<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Web<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><image001.jpg><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;">It’s all about volume.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Nathan Brookfield </b><br class="">General Manager<br class=""><br class=""><b class="">p</b>: 1300 592 330 | <b class="">m</b>: 0412 266 008 | <b class="">w</b>:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://iperium.com.au/" class="">https://Iperium.com.au</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br class="">Level 7, <span class="MsoHyperlink"><u class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000</span></u></span><br class=""><br class=""><b class="">Your Connectivity Team</b><o:p class=""></o:p></p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="left" width="210" style="width: 157.5pt;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="padding: 0cm;" class=""></td><td style="padding: 0cm;" class=""></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin: 0cm; 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Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br class="">On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class=""><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</span></u></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hi<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Just to clarify it wasn’t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">$3 per customer isn’t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chad Kelly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Manager<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">CPK Web Services<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Phone 03 52730246<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Web<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.cpkws.com.au/" class=""><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">https://www.cpkws.com.au</span></u></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><image001.jpg><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au" class=""><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</span></u></a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class=""><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</span></u></a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class=""><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></u></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they’re pretty reasonable especially if they’re an RSP.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="300" style="width: 225pt; background-color: rgb(223, 223, 225); border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="padding: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><image002.png></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td style="padding: 0cm;" class=""><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="300" style="width: 225pt; 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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b class="">Nathan Brookfield </b><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="left" width="210" style="width: 157.5pt;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="padding: 0cm;" class=""></td><td style="padding: 0cm;" class=""></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <br class="">DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br class="">On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" class=""><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">chad@cpkws.com.au</span></u></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hi All .<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing<a href="http://www.zoombroadband.com.au/" class=""><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">www.zoombroadband.com.au</span></u></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Plus this post on Ozbargain<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment" class=""><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment</span></u></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Look at page 5.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Now I know the margins on NBN aren’t fantastic but $3 I wouldn’t even waste time with.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I mean I don’t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards Chad.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chad Kelly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; 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