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Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder.</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</font>
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<div dir="auto">It’s been 15 years since I worked there, but I’m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus….<br>
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<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.</span></div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn’t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I am surprised the wholesale provider didn’t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">They are going to get burnt.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Regards Chad.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Bradley Amm <brad@bradleyamm.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chad Kelly <chad@cpkws.com.au><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au>; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:9.6pt; margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black"><a href="https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl">https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl</a></span></p>
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<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:9.6pt; margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:9.6pt; margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">If you are already a customer, <strong><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">run away</span></strong>. It's also probably
advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:9.6pt; margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As
a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server – it's all client side.</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:9.6pt; margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">What does that mean?</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:9.6pt; margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see:<br>
– The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason – anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions)<br>
– The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored)<br>
– FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified<br>
– What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS<br>
– Secrets to access the Radius server<br>
– Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them</span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:9.6pt; margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">And what is most interesting, <strong><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">for a company that claims to have nothing to do
with Jake Berry</span></strong>, is a test account – <a href="mailto:jberry@hypernet.com.au"><span style="color:#223399; text-decoration:none">jberry@hypernet.com.au</span></a> – what a strange coincidence</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Yeah I get that. </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Bit concerned they’ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">You need a few more million for marketing on top of that.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they’ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Regards Chad.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making</span></p>
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On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Hi </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Just to clarify it wasn’t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">$3 per customer isn’t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Regards Chad.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they’re pretty reasonable especially if they’re an RSP.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi All . </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing
<a href="http://www.zoombroadband.com.au">www.zoombroadband.com.au</a> . </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Plus this post on Ozbargain <a href="https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment">
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment</a></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Look at page 5. </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Now I know the margins on NBN aren’t fantastic but $3 I wouldn’t even waste time with.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I mean I don’t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards Chad.</span></p>
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