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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I haven’t used it, but I like the idea of DrawThe.Net – network diagrams as YAML which can be rendered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://github.com/cidrblock/drawthe.net">https://github.com/cidrblock/drawthe.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It appears it hasn’t been updated for around 6 years, so if you come across any issues, you might need to follow the trail of the 116 people who have forked it to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Johnathon Brandis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 9 October 2022 7:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Etienne-Victor Depasquale <edepa@ieee.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AUSNOG <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Diagramming Networks in 2022 - Should it be this hard?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stranger these days to this forum. However,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Was recently in Bangkok for Work and I noticed in the SNOC (it was like container ships welded together), wood blocks on a wall (would have 2 x sedan long and basketball ring high) with string, visualise a tapestry. I asked the manager,
what’s that. He replied, that is my network. He had used wooden blocks (including taks) with some magnetic adhesive strips as switches, and string around the taks depicting uplinks. Switches (blocks) were different colours (red/green/orange) and had labels
from a labeller, which could be peeled off easily. The coolest thing, he showed me cable tracing in this (it was pretty big network). He simply plucked it and watched it vibrate back to the switch it was connected too. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For him, it had been a success and he gave up on diagrams for the reasons you talk about. One of the upsides of travel is meeting really clever people doing things you wouldn’t have thought of. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stay well all.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sunday, October 9, 2022, Etienne-Victor Depasquale <<a href="mailto:edepa@ieee.org">edepa@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Last September (<a href="https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2021-September/thread.html" target="_blank">https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2021-September/thread.html</a>), I posted a similar question to NANOG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The thread was titled "Telecommunications network drafting software".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You might find something helpful there.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'll confess that ultimately, I resigned myself to:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(a) using Visio<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(b) buying Visio templates (especially those for radio access networks)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(c) using basic shapes and labelling them, instead of endlessly chasing a wild goose on the Internet.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ultimately, my humble diagnosis is that we're on our own until someone decides to take this up as a business venture.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 2:30 AM Jason Leschnik <<a href="mailto:jason@leschnik.me" target="_blank">jason@leschnik.me</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Frustration has gotten the better of me, hence the post. Sorry if this isn't 100% relevant, I thought about posting on Reddit but find sometimes the replies are a bit of a dumpster fire. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We're using Visio and some very basic templating practices (common symbols, guidelines for link color/type & styles). But every time I jump into our diagrams, I'm always frustrated with how tedious
it is to use Visio (possible lack of skill?) and how rigid the tool is. Moving a device/adding a new site, effectively means getting out the scissors and glue and spending an afternoon like an artisan redrawing and reflowing links. I understand there are other
tools out there, <a href="http://draw.io/lucid" target="_blank">draw.io/lucid</a> which are better but still all take time and some artistic flare. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Possibly this is due to a mix of how we're using connectors (some in our team are just reverting to using simple lines now to avoid the connector reflow madness). But things like labels on links,
having to chase them around the page manually, and diagrams that are difficult to read because of lack of room. Surely we're doing it the hard way? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Does anyone have examples of their "real world" diagrams (redacted of course!) to show how they do this better? All the Google-Fu I do on the subject just brings me to those "edgy" isometric
Network diagrams that are used in marketing slideware.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">tl;dr</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> looking for practical Network diagram styles so I can use some of the themes in our diagrams.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Attached sample, moving anything around in this small area requires a few hours to rework everything. It shouldn't be this hard right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Jason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#888888">Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale<br>
Assistant Lecturer<br>
Department of Communications & Computer Engineering<br>
Faculty of Information & Communication Technology<br>
University of Malta</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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