<div dir="ltr">Furthermore, it’s hard enough getting a good NE in this market even with a high ceiling for compensation; any engineer worth their salt will already command above-award rates, so an award doesn't help you address this.<div><br></div><div>Soft perks like workplace culture and flexible working, even little things like parking, are going to be how you actually obtain (and retain) talented minds.</div><div><br><div><div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">- Michael</div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:58 AM Terry Sweetser <<a href="mailto:terry@ionetworks.com.au">terry@ionetworks.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-msg-4249477236694824145">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi Philip,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Alas, this is where you will find a big gap in the structure of awards in Australia: very few Network Engineers qualify for IEAust/EA membership.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Have a look at the Professional Employees Award:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Refer to:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000065-summary" target="_blank">https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000065-summary</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:18.75pt;line-height:18pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">The Professional Award covers employers mainly engaged in the information technology, medical research, quality
 auditing or telecommunications services industries and their employees who fit within the classifications of the award.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:18.75pt;line-height:18pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">Employees are also covered if they perform professional engineering and scientific duties, unless another award
 with a more appropriate classification covers their employer.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:18.75pt;line-height:18pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">The information technology industry means:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">designing and manufacturing computers, peripherals and software, and telecommunications equipment<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">installing, repairing and maintaining computer systems<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">computer consultancy services<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">computer programming<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">system analysis services<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">designing, developing and maintaining online internet architecture and facilitating online content management, or<u></u><u></u></span></b></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">work associated with any of the above.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">The following employers and employees are not covered by the Professional Award:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">information technology employees who don’t have formal academic qualifications or sufficient experience to be a Certified Professional of the Australian Computer Society<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">engineers who don’t have formal academic qualifications or sufficient experience to be a member of Engineers Australia<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">scientists who don’t have formal academic qualifications and don’t qualify for membership in one of their professional bodies<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">medical researchers who work for health services or higher education organisations as defined in the award<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">quality auditors who don’t satisfy the educational and experience requirements set out in the award<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">local government employees covered by another award<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">employees who mainly do clerical and administrative work.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Philip Loenneker <<a href="mailto:philip.loenneker@tasmanet.com.au" target="_blank">philip.loenneker@tasmanet.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 29 August 2022 at 8:17 am<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] modern awards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Terry – would you mind expanding on your comment that “The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers”? Are you suggesting that there is a more suitable award for Network Engineers?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt"> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Terry Sweetser<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 27 August 2022 8:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] modern awards</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">I suggest a quick look at:<br>
<a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943" target="_blank">https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">Applies (quoted):</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)">For the purposes of clause <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P102_5334" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(2,76,162)">4</span></a><b> telecommunications services industry</b> means any business:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a name="m_-4249477236694824145_P106_5805"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)">(a)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)"> whose principal function is a telecommunications service carrier;or</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a name="m_-4249477236694824145_P107_5876"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)">(b)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)"> whose principal function is a carriage service provider or a content service provider;or</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a name="m_-4249477236694824145_P108_5968"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)">(c)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)"> whose principal function is the supply of telecommunications services including value added telecommunications services;or</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a name="m_-4249477236694824145_P109_6094"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)">(d)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)"> whose principal function is incidental,ancillary or complementary to the businesses referred to in clauses <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P106_5805" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(2,76,162)">4.2(a)</span></a>,<a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P107_5876" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(2,76,162)">4.2(b)</span></a> and <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P108_5968" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(2,76,162)">4.2(c)</span></a>;or</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)">(e)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:rgb(35,35,35)"> which supplies labour to a business in the telecommunications services industry on a labour hire basis in respect of any such labour hire employees while
 engaged in the performance of work for a business in the telecommunications services industry.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">IANAL, but B and D look close “enough” for webhosting companies.  The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm">And of course, read the NES at
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Rob Thomas <<a href="mailto:xrobau@gmail.com" target="_blank">xrobau@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Lipschitz <<a href="mailto:glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au" target="_blank">glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] modern awards</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is
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https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx</a> - summary is $21.94 to $27.75.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">--Rob</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas <<a href="mailto:xrobau@gmail.com" target="_blank">xrobau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks Greg and Nick.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz <<a href="mailto:glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au" target="_blank">glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I would have said that that is the wrong award as it’s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Perhaps look at  </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">That seems more appropriate. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Greg</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black"> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Nick Edwards <<a href="mailto:nick.z.edwards@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.z.edwards@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] modern awards</span><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span>
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 I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's,  he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact  level 1 (he has no special
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt">Anyone see this as a problem?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt">OFF list replies welcome, since I think this might exceed the list charter, to which I apologise for in advance.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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