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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Terry and others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The requirement for formal qualifications for the Professional Employees Award is frustrating in the world of IT which is far more organic than many sectors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Michael Hobl <michael@hobl.com.au>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 29 August 2022 11:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Terry Sweetser <terry@ionetworks.com.au><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Philip Loenneker <philip.loenneker@tasmanet.com.au>; ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] modern awards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Furthermore, it’s hard enough getting a good NE in this market even with a high ceiling for compensation; any engineer worth their salt will already command above-award rates, so an award doesn't help you address this.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Soft perks like workplace culture and flexible working, even little things like parking, are going to be how you actually obtain (and retain) talented minds.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:58 AM Terry Sweetser <<a href="mailto:terry@ionetworks.com.au">terry@ionetworks.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Philip,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Alas, this is where you will find a big gap in the structure of awards in Australia: very few Network Engineers qualify for IEAust/EA membership.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Have a look at the Professional Employees Award:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Refer to:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000065-summary" target="_blank">https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000065-summary</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(Copy Pasta)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">The Professional Award covers employers mainly engaged in the information technology, medical research, quality auditing or telecommunications services industries and their employees
who fit within the classifications of the award.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">Employees are also covered if they perform professional engineering and scientific duties, unless another award with a more appropriate classification covers their employer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">The information technology industry means:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">designing and manufacturing computers, peripherals and software, and telecommunications equipment</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">installing, repairing and maintaining computer systems</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">computer consultancy services</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">computer programming</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">system analysis services</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">designing, developing and maintaining online internet architecture and facilitating online content management, or</span></b><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">work associated with any of the above.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<h2 style="margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:22.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:black">Who the Professional Award doesn’t cover</span><o:p></o:p></h2>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">engineers who don’t have formal academic qualifications or sufficient experience to be a member of Engineers Australia</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">scientists who don’t have formal academic qualifications and don’t qualify for membership in one of their professional bodies</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">medical researchers who work for health services or higher education organisations as defined in the award</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">quality auditors who don’t satisfy the educational and experience requirements set out in the award</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Philip Loenneker <<a href="mailto:philip.loenneker@tasmanet.com.au" target="_blank">philip.loenneker@tasmanet.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 29 August 2022 at 8:17 am<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] modern awards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Terry – would you mind expanding on your comment that “The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers”? Are you suggesting
that there is a more suitable award for Network Engineers?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Terry Sweetser<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 27 August 2022 8:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] modern awards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">For the purposes of clause <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P102_5334" target="_blank"><span style="color:#024CA2">4</span></a><b> telecommunications services industry</b> means any business:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a name="m_-4249477236694824145_P106_5805"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(a)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> whose principal function is a telecommunications service carrier;or</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a name="m_-4249477236694824145_P107_5876"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(b)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> whose principal function is a carriage service provider or a content service provider;or</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a name="m_-4249477236694824145_P108_5968"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(c)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> whose principal function is the supply of telecommunications services including value added telecommunications
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<a name="m_-4249477236694824145_P109_6094"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(d)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> whose principal function is incidental,ancillary or complementary to the businesses referred to in clauses <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P106_5805" target="_blank"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(a)</span></a>,<a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P107_5876" target="_blank"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(b)</span></a> and <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P108_5968" target="_blank"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(c)</span></a>;or</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(e)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> which supplies labour to a business in the telecommunications services industry on a labour hire basis in respect of any such labour hire employees while
engaged in the performance of work for a business in the telecommunications services industry.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">IANAL, but B and D look close “enough” for webhosting companies.
The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Rob Thomas <<a href="mailto:xrobau@gmail.com" target="_blank">xrobau@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Lipschitz <<a href="mailto:glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au" target="_blank">glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] modern awards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is
<a href="https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx" target="_blank">
https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx</a> - summary is $21.94 to $27.75.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas <<a href="mailto:xrobau@gmail.com" target="_blank">xrobau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz <<a href="mailto:glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au" target="_blank">glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would have said that that is the wrong award as it’s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf
of Nick Edwards <<a href="mailto:nick.z.edwards@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.z.edwards@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] modern awards</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd
ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact
level 1 (he has no special qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Anyone see this as a problem?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">OFF list replies welcome, since I think this might exceed the list charter, to which I apologise for in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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