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<div dir="ltr">They are (mostly) helpful in helping understand and navigate this, and part of their services help employers navigate this. But also note that nothing beats engaging a specialist HR Lawyer.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Our P&C association has recently had an issue where the FWO provided an opinion on an award that was incorrect (and pointedly so because the matter is currently in tribunal with the FWO defending a contrary position to the advice they gave),
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<div dir="ltr">That’s just illustrative - but basically, it is worth checking!</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net> on behalf of Terry Sweetser <terry@ionetworks.com.au><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:48:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net <ausnog@ausnog.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] modern awards</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; border:none windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0cm">Hi NOGGERS,</span></p>
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<a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943">https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943</a></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; border:none windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0cm">Applies (quoted):</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt; background:white"><span style="font-size:13.5pt; color:#232323">For the purposes of clause <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P102_5334"><span style="color:#024CA2">4</span></a><b> telecommunications
services industry</b> means any business:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt; background:white"><a name="x_P106_5805"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt; color:#232323">(a)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt; color:#232323"> whose principal function is a telecommunications service
carrier;or</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt; background:white"><a name="x_P107_5876"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt; color:#232323">(b)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt; color:#232323"> whose principal function is a carriage service provider
or a content service provider;or</span></p>
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to the businesses referred to in clauses <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P106_5805"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(a)</span></a>,<a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P107_5876"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(b)</span></a> and <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P108_5968"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(c)</span></a>;or</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; border:none windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0cm">IANAL, but B and D look close “enough” for webhosting companies. The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:black; border:none windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0cm">And of course, read the NES at
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net> on behalf of Rob Thomas <xrobau@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au><br>
<b>Cc: </b>ausnog@ausnog.net <ausnog@ausnog.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] modern awards</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is
<a href="https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx">
https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx</a> - summary is $21.94 to $27.75.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas <<a href="mailto:xrobau@gmail.com">xrobau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it!</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Greg and Nick.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz <<a href="mailto:glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au" target="_blank">glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I would have said that that is the wrong award as it’s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc)</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That seems more appropriate. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Nick Edwards <<a href="mailto:nick.z.edwards@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.z.edwards@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] modern awards</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span>
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thought I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no
special qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude)</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">OFF list replies welcome, since I think this might exceed the list charter, to which I apologise for in advance.</span></p>
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