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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Hi NOGGERS,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">I suggest a quick look at:<br>
<a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943">https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Applies (quoted):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">For the purposes of clause <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P102_5334"><span style="color:#024CA2">4</span></a><b> telecommunications services industry</b> means any business:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a name="P106_5805"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(a)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> whose principal function is a telecommunications service carrier;or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a name="P107_5876"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(b)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> whose principal function is a carriage service provider or a content service provider;or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a name="P108_5968"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(c)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> whose principal function is the supply of telecommunications services including value added telecommunications services;or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a name="P109_6094"></a><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(d)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> whose principal function is incidental,ancillary or complementary to the businesses referred to in clauses <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P106_5805"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(a)</span></a>,<a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P107_5876"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(b)</span></a> and <a href="https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P108_5968"><span style="color:#024CA2">4.2(c)</span></a>;or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323">(e)</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#232323"> which supplies labour to a business in the telecommunications services industry on a labour hire basis in respect of any such labour hire employees while
 engaged in the performance of work for a business in the telecommunications services industry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">IANAL, but B and D look close “enough” for webhosting companies.  The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">And of course, read the NES at
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net> on behalf of Rob Thomas <xrobau@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au><br>
<b>Cc: </b>ausnog@ausnog.net <ausnog@ausnog.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] modern awards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is
<a href="https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx">
https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx</a> - summary is $21.94 to $27.75.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">--Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas <<a href="mailto:xrobau@gmail.com">xrobau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Greg and Nick.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">--Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz <<a href="mailto:glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au" target="_blank">glipschitz@summitinternet.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I would have said that that is the wrong award as it’s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Perhaps look at  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif">Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary" target="_blank">https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That seems more appropriate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Nick Edwards <<a href="mailto:nick.z.edwards@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.z.edwards@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] modern awards</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but it's got me thinking, so I thought
 I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's,  he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact  level 1 (he has no special
 qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Anyone see this as a problem?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">OFF list replies welcome, since I think this might exceed the list charter, to which I apologise for in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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