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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or Audio.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed privately
with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we’re way past the days of someone saying something in a room being private and if the other NOG’s can do it then why is Australia special….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shaun Deans<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Terry Manderson <terry@terrym.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AusNOG Mailing List <ausnog@ausnog.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's now up to the community to make choices.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from my arm chair.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form that works for everyone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<br>
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Shaun Deans<br>
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1800 WKD KDO<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, <<a href="mailto:terry@terrym.net">terry@terrym.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Heh <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😏</span> .666 of a seat ... cute
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😂</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you
can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">my perspective, ymmv. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Terry<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mobile device, don't expect grammar.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans <<a href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au" target="_blank">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You do raise a valid point and I hear your view.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> All advice is general in nature /s<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But in the interest of healthy community debate:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For every pro there is a con. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Innovation does not come without compromise.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<br>
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Shaun Deans<br>
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1800 WKD KDO<br>
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">📱🏃</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, <<a href="mailto:admin@uberskilled.com" target="_blank">admin@uberskilled.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson <<a href="mailto:terry@terrym.net" target="_blank">terry@terrym.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Terry<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mobile device, don't expect grammar.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It got the better of me and I'm glad it did.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' <i>- Swag </i><o:p></o:p></p>
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August 2022 = ~ <a href="https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/attendees" target="_blank">
300 Attendees </a>at $600 <a href="https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2022/registration" target="_blank">
per ticket (Average)</a> <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
Total $180K<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' → $90K<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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Who Done It And What Did They Offer ?<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K <o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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nice round number<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2">
and its 'nearly half'<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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Streaming to to masses!<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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That's only <b>50 tickets and it may break even</b><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs<img border="0" width="15" height="15" style="width:.1603in;height:.1603in" id="_x0000_i1032" src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F644.png" alt="🙄"><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<i>Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s</i><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans <<a href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au" target="_blank">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can’t attend<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><S>It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream.</s><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I’d like you to respect the financial commitment I’ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I’d like.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch
with our friends. It saves postage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can’t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all?<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of
<a href="mailto:david@hughes.id" target="_blank">david@hughes.id</a> <<a href="mailto:david@hughes.id" target="_blank">david@hughes.id</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>AusNOG Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect
the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend.<br>
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If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference.<br>
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David, on behalf of the Board<br>
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