<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just to quickly follow up on this, I was in error and had the 5725-5850 MHz band in my head as outdoor only. I could swear I had read that on the ACMA site but of course it’s not there.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The current version of the Radiocommunications (Low Interference Potential Devices) Class Licence 2015 at <a href="https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2022C00281" class="">https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2022C00281</a> says (there’s no change as far back as I dug too):</div><div class=""><br class=""><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" class="">
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</table></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My apologies for the list noise and for apparently triggering some people by referencing these devices.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On a side, related, note apparently these routers sometime have an issue where they stop working on 2.4 GHz and as a result people crank up the power of the 5 GHz radio. I’d guess that that’s what has happened in this case since it’s only transmitting on a single chain which limits throughput but increases power output. Frustrating thing is that it’s set to 80 MHz too but in a NBN fixed wireless area where a single chain 20 MHz channel is faster than the Internet connection and going to both creating and receiving less interference…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks again for the responses<br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 21 Jun 2022, at 10:57 am, Russell Langton <<a href="mailto:russell3901@gmail.com" class="">russell3901@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Andrew,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I believe these Telstra modems are LIPD class license section 60 devices which allows 5725-5850 Ghz as they are most likey non-managed/residential services.</div><div class="">If you believe these are operating in error or outside the ACMA guidelines, Please flick me a email directly and I'll put you in contact with our gateways team and the ACMA<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andrew Radke <<a href="mailto:andrew@osi.com.au" class="">andrew@osi.com.au</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Hi all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was wondering if there is anyone on the list that I can talk to about Telstra customer router wifi configs that are violating ACMA rules.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We see lots of Telstra supplied routers that select the *outdoor only* 5.8 GHz spectrum for their 5 GHz WiFi. This interferes with real outdoor links, and unless the router is mounted on a roof it would be in violation of ACMA rules. I’m hoping to get in touch with someone suitable in the team that manages these to get an update done to correctly limit these devices to the indoor spectrum only.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve included an example scan from a Mikrotik link of ours that had started playing up due to interference below. It shows a Telstra router broadcasting on 5805 MHz running with an 80 MHz bandwidth (eeeC) and on single chain instead of dual chain so that it can bump up it’s output power even higher. In this case it only leaves a single 20 MHz channel, or potentially 30 MHz with certain radios, at the top for anyone else.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="Courier New" class=""> ADDRESS SSID CHANNEL SIG NF SNR<br class="">AP D0:6F:82:2C:DB:54 TelstraMobile 5260/20-Ceee/ac/DP(-10dBm) -79 -102 23<br class="">AP 22:B0:01:96:83:D3 Telstra9683CB 5540/20-eeCe/ac/DP(-3dBm) -83 -106 23<br class="">AP 22:B0:01:96:83:D5 5540/20-eeCe/ac/DP(-3dBm) -85 -106 21<br class=""> P A2:B5:3C:36:A3:FE Telstra36A3FE 5660/20-Ceee/ac/DP(-3dBm) -88 -106 18<br class=""> P 82:90:4C:3A:D2:0C 5660/20-Ceee/ac/DP(-3dBm) -89 -106 17<br class="">AP D6:35:1D:1B:B7:C3 Telstra1BB7BB 5805/20-eeeC/ac(6dBm) -82 -108 26<br class="">AP D6:35:1D:1B:B7:C5 5805/20-eeeC/ac(6dBm) -82 -108 26</font></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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