From jocelyn at ausnog.net Wed Apr 2 18:37:54 2025 From: jocelyn at ausnog.net (Jocelyn Bateman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 17:37:54 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2025 - Call For Papers is Open! Message-ID: Hi AusNOG, The Program Committee is very happy to announce that the AusNOG 2025 Call For Papers is now open! We are looking for presentations that an audience working predominantly in the network operating space will find interesting and useful. As always, we do not accept marketing or sales material as part of any presentation. The CFP will close on May 30th 2025. This allows time for the Program Committee to review papers and choose the program. Please express your interest and submit a short abstract of the topic you'd like to present, via our portal; https://cfp.ausnog.net/ausnog-2025/ Thank you, and see you in Melbourne, for AusNOG 2025! Event dates and details here; https://www.ausnog.net/ Kind Regards, Jocelyn Bateman, Program Chair Australian Network Operators Group (AusNOG) https://www.ausnog.net/ From chris at datachaos.com.au Thu Apr 3 19:13:24 2025 From: chris at datachaos.com.au (Chris Lee) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:13:24 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra TIPT SIP 5060 problem Message-ID: Hi all, We have a few SIP devices that we had configured to use TIPT over Internet and had been working fine for some years now on Port 5060. Since around 14th March I noticed that our monitoring to Port 5060 of the Telstra TIPT SBC stopped working. Have now discovered that those same SIP devices can no longer register with TIPT, and can see on the graphs of the network ports for those devices the traffic seems to have dropped off the cliff around 14th March. So I've tried to email TIPTFaults at team.telstra.com email which was helpful in the past, but now gives me an autoreply for how to raise an incident in Telstra Connect. 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URL: From alex at samad.com.au Tue Apr 8 16:48:09 2025 From: alex at samad.com.au (Alex Samad) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 16:48:09 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: Derating of PDU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I'm having the pleasure of looking at PDU's and trying to standardise over US / UK / Japan / Aus Something I didn't know was the standard in the US for derating electrical devices. whilst I normally plan for max normal draw of around 80% of rating. seems like PDU for USA have a derating value. So I am seeing 30amp @ 230v in and line rating of 24amp and max 30amp. The notes seems to suggest you can go over 24 amps but only for a very short period of time - seems like minutes. This seems a bit of a pain for me - whilst I wouldn't normally run over the 24 amps there have been times i have had to run over - but under 30 for days if not a couple of weeks. Currently I'm trying to order into japan (omg), lot of their stuff is imported which means it comes with the USA specs. so 24/30 amp setup.. Interestingly also noted that when you read the fine prints its actually 2 x 20amp breakers - 1 breaker per bank .. PDU has 2 banks I can't find anything about derating for Aus - do we not do it in Aus or mandate it ? Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 16:57:19 2025 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 14:57:19 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Bidi usage in DC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We use about 70% of Duplex SFP's these days. Ive checked and we have a total of 482 BiDi optics. (Half of those terminate in the DC's) On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 2:40?PM Alex Samad wrote: > Hi > > Wondering whats the percent usage of Bidi (single core SFP / TX RX on same > fibre). > > Just a curiosity. Try to persuade some people to use Bidi over normal > SFP's in the DC. > > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 17:20:27 2025 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 15:20:27 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: Derating of PDU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Based on previous experience in power distribution design, here?s my general approach to derating power circuits: *Disclaimer: Always refer to AS/NZS 3000, AS/NZS 3008, and consult a licensed electrician for all practical installations and compliance.* For ambient temperatures around 40?C, a thermal derating factor of 0.87 is typically used (based on AS/NZS 3000/3008). Real-world usable power also depends on: The power factor (PF) of the connected equipment. Whether the PDU is installed in a hot aisle or cold aisle. If the load is continuous, you must also apply the 80% continuous load rule as per AS/NZS 3000. Example ? 30A Circuit @ 230V Cold Aisle Scenario (23?C, PF = 0.9): No temperature derating needed at 23?C. Apply 80% derating for continuous load: 30A ? 0.8 = 24A usable Real usable power: 24A ? 230V ? 0.9 = 4968 W Usable continuous load = ~4968W Peak load capacity (non-continuous): 30A ? 230V ? 0.9 = 6210 W (for short-term bursts only) Hot Aisle Scenario (40?C, PF = 0.8): Apply both continuous and thermal derating: 30A ? 0.8 (continuous) ? 0.87 (thermal) = 20.88A Real usable power: 20.88A ? 230V ? 0.8 = 3848 W Usable continuous load = ~3848W Cold Aisle (23?C) 24A 0.9 4968 W Hot Aisle (40?C) 20.88A 0.8 3848 W On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 2:48?PM Alex Samad wrote: > Hi > > I'm having the pleasure of looking at PDU's and trying to standardise over > US / UK / Japan / Aus > > Something I didn't know was the standard in the US for derating electrical > devices. whilst I normally plan for max normal draw of around 80% of > rating. seems like PDU for USA have a derating value. > > So I am seeing 30amp @ 230v in and line rating of 24amp and max 30amp. > The notes seems to suggest you can go over 24 amps but only for a very > short period of time - seems like minutes. > > This seems a bit of a pain for me - whilst I wouldn't normally run over > the 24 amps there have been times i have had to run over - but under 30 for > days if not a couple of weeks. > > Currently I'm trying to order into japan (omg), lot of their stuff is > imported which means it comes with the USA specs. so 24/30 amp setup.. > Interestingly also noted that when you read the fine prints its actually 2 > x 20amp breakers - 1 breaker per bank .. PDU has 2 banks > > I can't find anything about derating for Aus - do we not do it in Aus or > mandate it ? > > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrandombob at darkglade.com Tue Apr 8 17:21:24 2025 From: jrandombob at darkglade.com (Jrandombob) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 17:21:24 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: Derating of PDU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alex, Not sure if there's any standards around it. But from an electrical engineering perspective conductor heating (what you're managing by derating) is a larger issue in 100/110V countries as I^2R losses are greater. Higher voltage (lower current) means the resistance of the conductors causes less heating thus you're less likely to go outside of the conditions for which the conductors (and moreover their insulation) are rated. Best Regards, Morgan On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 4:49?PM Alex Samad wrote: > Hi > > I'm having the pleasure of looking at PDU's and trying to standardise over > US / UK / Japan / Aus > > Something I didn't know was the standard in the US for derating electrical > devices. whilst I normally plan for max normal draw of around 80% of > rating. seems like PDU for USA have a derating value. > > So I am seeing 30amp @ 230v in and line rating of 24amp and max 30amp. > The notes seems to suggest you can go over 24 amps but only for a very > short period of time - seems like minutes. > > This seems a bit of a pain for me - whilst I wouldn't normally run over > the 24 amps there have been times i have had to run over - but under 30 for > days if not a couple of weeks. > > Currently I'm trying to order into japan (omg), lot of their stuff is > imported which means it comes with the USA specs. so 24/30 amp setup.. > Interestingly also noted that when you read the fine prints its actually 2 > x 20amp breakers - 1 breaker per bank .. PDU has 2 banks > > I can't find anything about derating for Aus - do we not do it in Aus or > mandate it ? > > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonyd at pue.com.au Tue Apr 8 17:32:01 2025 From: tonyd at pue.com.au (Tony de Francesco) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 07:32:01 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: Derating of PDU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could it be a UL rating issue? UL rating for electrical components is very different to IEC and AS/NZS. Tony ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Alex Samad Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 4:48:41 pm To: Ausnog Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: Derating of PDU Hi I'm having the pleasure of looking at PDU's and trying to standardise over US / UK / Japan / Aus Something I didn't know was the standard in the US for derating electrical devices. whilst I normally plan for max normal draw of around 80% of rating. seems like PDU for USA have a derating value. So I am seeing 30amp @ 230v in and line rating of 24amp and max 30amp. The notes seems to suggest you can go over 24 amps but only for a very short period of time - seems like minutes. This seems a bit of a pain for me - whilst I wouldn't normally run over the 24 amps there have been times i have had to run over - but under 30 for days if not a couple of weeks. Currently I'm trying to order into japan (omg), lot of their stuff is imported which means it comes with the USA specs. so 24/30 amp setup.. 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Personally, I would always chose bidi if possible, not just for the conservation of ties but also for the fact they work or not instead of the possibility of a one way disconnect. 100G bidi is still more expensive in the optics and less standard, but 10?s are much the same cost as duplex LR?s. From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Mitch Kelly Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2025 6:57 pm To: Alex Samad Cc: Ausnog Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Bidi usage in DC We use about 70% of Duplex SFP's these days. Ive checked and we have a total of 482 BiDi optics. (Half of those terminate in the DC's) On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 2:40?PM Alex Samad > wrote: Hi Wondering whats the percent usage of Bidi (single core SFP / TX RX on same fibre). Just a curiosity. Try to persuade some people to use Bidi over normal SFP's in the DC. Alex _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spoofer-info at caida.org Wed Apr 9 03:00:29 2025 From: spoofer-info at caida.org (CAIDA Spoofer Project) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 10:00:29 -0700 Subject: [AusNOG] Spoofer Report for AusNOG for Mar 2025 Message-ID: <1744131629.057933.29657.nullmailer@caida.org> In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address. We are publishing these reports to network and security operations lists in order to ensure this information reaches operational contacts in these ASes. This report summarises tests conducted within aus. Inferred improvements during Mar 2025: none inferred Source Address Validation issues inferred during Mar 2025: ASN Name First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed 152107 2024-02-25 2025-03-04 150369 2025-01-30 2025-03-28 150004 2025-02-26 2025-03-15 141682 2025-03-03 2025-03-03 136972 MYPORT1 2025-03-25 2025-03-25 Further information for these tests where we received spoofed packets is available at: https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus&no_block=1 Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-info at caida.org From jaedwards at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 07:30:04 2025 From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 07:00:04 +0930 Subject: [AusNOG] Bidi usage in DC In-Reply-To: <00cf01dba860$f6f41640$e4dc42c0$@wicks.co.nz> References: <00cf01dba860$f6f41640$e4dc42c0$@wicks.co.nz> Message-ID: BX Optics are great for a big rollout because it minimises Splicing costs and improves installation efficiency - there's only one way the fibre can be patched and plugged in, so the easily-compromised fibre components are handled by dirty contractor hands that forgot to bring a fibre-cleaning tool only once. In one case we had sparkies in a cherry picker connecting fibre to hundreds of nodes, so if they couldn't get it right the first time it might mean significant delays while they returned to ground and called someone. If you're going to go big on BiDi optics, establish a policy early on about which end uses the low-frequency transmit (TX) wavelength, which has better propagation characteristics. Intuition might suggest the more reliable band goes at the datacentre, but operationally you want remote devices to have the more reliable TX as this allows you to differentiate between a marginal fibre path and a power failure when something fails - which will inform if you're sending a guy out to flip a breaker, or if it's an OTDR job for a fibre specialist. John On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 at 18:03, Tony Wicks wrote: > In NZ we use bidi extensively as we are very used to being able to buy > pretty cheap DF around the place. In Datacentres owned by non local > companies I find they are often confused by it (go figure) so its all too > hard. Personally, I would always chose bidi if possible, not just for the > conservation of ties but also for the fact they work or not instead of the > possibility of a one way disconnect. 100G bidi is still more expensive in > the optics and less standard, but 10?s are much the same cost as duplex > LR?s. > > > > > > > > *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Mitch > Kelly > *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 April 2025 6:57 pm > *To:* Alex Samad > *Cc:* Ausnog > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Bidi usage in DC > > > > We use about 70% of Duplex SFP's these days. > > Ive checked and we have a total of 482 BiDi optics. (Half of those > terminate in the DC's) > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 2:40?PM Alex Samad wrote: > > Hi > > > > Wondering whats the percent usage of Bidi (single core SFP / TX RX on same > fibre). > > > > Just a curiosity. Try to persuade some people to use Bidi over normal > SFP's in the DC. > > > > > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PDU has 2 banks >> >> I can't find anything about derating for Aus - do we not do it in Aus or >> mandate it ? >> >> >> Alex >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at hughes.id Mon Apr 14 10:50:34 2025 From: david at hughes.id (david at hughes.id) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 10:50:34 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Registration for AusNOG 2025 is now open Message-ID: <39C15B3D-D295-4516-B359-2872FB5DDC0D@hughes.id> Good morning everyone, I'm please to advise that registration for this year's AusNOG conference is now open. AusNOG 2025 will be held in Melbourne and we've increased capacity again so that even more members of our industry can attend. As you probably know, the conference has sold out every year it's been run, so I'd recommend buying your ticket early to avoid disappointment. You can purchase your tickets at the link below. https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2025/registration Thanks David, on behalf of the AusNOG Board. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.g.global2000 at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 20:34:57 2025 From: b.g.global2000 at gmail.com (BOG Group Global) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 20:34:57 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Cisco ASR 1001-X is now EOL - replacement ideas? Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Wanted to get some advice from the group around replacement aggregation routers for our PoPs. We have several Cisco ASR 1001-X routers in our data centres for our PoPs. Just simple broadband aggregation from Telstra Wholesale EA, NBN EE, NBN TC4, etc etc. Nothing out of the ordinary really. Each PoP has two of these configured with redundancy in mind, usually 5-6Gbps of traffic at each PoP, and these Cisco routers do BGP to upstream carriers like Telstra, AAPT, etc. Given these Cisco routers have gone EOL recently, what would people recommend to replace these with? We picked up these ASR1001-X units as refurbished units a few years ago to keep the costs down, and they have served us well really. I'd really prefer to keep them within the Cisco product sets, since that's what my staff are familiar with, but I do know there are much cheaper options out there now (or we try and get refurbished units again) What would you guys suggest? Thanks Brian BOG Group Global -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 20:39:39 2025 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 18:39:39 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Cisco ASR 1001-X is now EOL - replacement ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are looking at the 8200/8300 as it's direct replacement On Fri, 18 Apr 2025, 6:35?pm BOG Group Global, wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Wanted to get some advice from the group around replacement aggregation > routers for our PoPs. > > We have several Cisco ASR 1001-X routers in our data centres for our PoPs. > Just simple broadband aggregation from Telstra Wholesale EA, NBN EE, NBN > TC4, etc etc. Nothing out of the ordinary really. Each PoP has two of these > configured with redundancy in mind, usually 5-6Gbps of traffic at each PoP, > and these Cisco routers do BGP to upstream carriers like Telstra, AAPT, etc. > > Given these Cisco routers have gone EOL recently, what would people > recommend to replace these with? We picked up these ASR1001-X units as > refurbished units a few years ago to keep the costs down, and they have > served us well really. > > I'd really prefer to keep them within the Cisco product sets, since that's > what my staff are familiar with, but I do know there are much cheaper > options out there now (or we try and get refurbished units again) > > What would you guys suggest? > > Thanks > Brian > BOG Group Global > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt.g.walker at outlook.com Fri Apr 18 22:18:49 2025 From: matt.g.walker at outlook.com (Matt Walker) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 12:18:49 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Cisco ASR 1001-X is now EOL - replacement ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Mitch eat All, We settled on majority, 8300 as it would be most ?inline? replacement for features, adaptability with 10GE (C8300-1N1S-4T2X, plus NIM-4X) Small sites will get a 8200, and an ATS for a bit more power resiliency DC/Hub sites have 8500L for throughout needs On 18 Apr 2025, at 20:40, Mitch Kelly wrote: ? We are looking at the 8200/8300 as it's direct replacement On Fri, 18 Apr 2025, 6:35?pm BOG Group Global, > wrote: Hello Everyone, Wanted to get some advice from the group around replacement aggregation routers for our PoPs. We have several Cisco ASR 1001-X routers in our data centres for our PoPs. Just simple broadband aggregation from Telstra Wholesale EA, NBN EE, NBN TC4, etc etc. Nothing out of the ordinary really. Each PoP has two of these configured with redundancy in mind, usually 5-6Gbps of traffic at each PoP, and these Cisco routers do BGP to upstream carriers like Telstra, AAPT, etc. Given these Cisco routers have gone EOL recently, what would people recommend to replace these with? We picked up these ASR1001-X units as refurbished units a few years ago to keep the costs down, and they have served us well really. I'd really prefer to keep them within the Cisco product sets, since that's what my staff are familiar with, but I do know there are much cheaper options out there now (or we try and get refurbished units again) What would you guys suggest? Thanks Brian BOG Group Global _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djr at pdconsec.net Fri Apr 25 15:51:08 2025 From: djr at pdconsec.net (David Rawling) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:51:08 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] IPv6 Prefix Delegations from Aussie BB - Private or Routeable? Message-ID: <8a58e37d88e46ec18817e749fcfad09baa636f55.camel@pdconsec.net> Hi all Seeking some advice from people who do this kind of thing all the time. I have an IPv6 prefix (::/48) delegated from the ISP (Aussie BB) and for about the last two years that PD has been routed and accessible from the raw unfiltered Internet. Shows up on the portal etc. It's been configured mostly static, as I didn't have time to try to figure out PD. A few days ago that subnet stopped working completely. It's still delegated, and the router can even hand out the delegated addresses, but nothing routes. I've now had multiple responses from the support team claiming that >?IPv6 /48 subnets in IA-PD address's are only usable for LAN. The IPv6 /64 > subnet is the only one that can be used outside of a LAN scope. The subnet being delegated seems to be a regulation IPv6 subnet - it's part of the 2403:5800::/28 delegated to Aussie Broadband by APNIC. Am I missing something obvious here? Shouldn't a PD normally be routed (why would I bother getting a PD from the ISP if it's not routable space - I'd just use something from fd00::)? Are ABB really enforcing NAT/NPT on a protocol designed not to need it any more? It's still delegated to my nameservers for reverse resolution, which I think wouldn't be needed if it wasn't routable in the first place. And the corresponding IPv4 routed subnet is fine. Does anyone else have a PD from Aussie Broadband, obviously on a business plan of some sort is preferred, where the PD subnets are routable? Alternatively - am I just being dumb? I could be dumb, it's a day ending in a Y... For reference it's a simple architecture where the PD should be usable on the LAN side of the router, but isn't: ABB <---> IPv6 DHCP --[ROUTER]-- IPv6 PD <---> [FW] Dave. -- David Rawling - Principal Consultant PD Consulting and Security t: +61 41 213 5513 | e: djr at pdconsec.net Please note that whilst we take all care, neither PD Consulting and Security nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan for viruses. The contents are intended only for use by the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Cheers, James Di Trapani Senior Manager Network Backbone & IP Edge Aussie Broadband Limited T: +61431003217 E: james.ditrapani at team.aussiebroadband.com.au aussiebroadband.com.au [Aussie Logo.png] [cid:ignored-in-diff-1A72F297-EAC4-49CD-84D9-F3048A4B980A] [cid:ignored-in-diff-788CE574-79EF-4349-80DB-7FF0356385D8] [cid:ignored-in-diff-6BB55FFB-BDCF-4683-9CBE-993C5A6CFA1A] [cid:ignored-in-diff-03A0C258-0346-4184-816A-42A6E012EB72] This e-mail may include confidential information. If you received this e-mail by mistake, please inform the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. Please do not copy or share the information included in this e-mail. Aussie Broadband acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of country throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respect to their elders past, present, and emerging, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today. ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of David Rawling Sent: Friday, April 25, 2025 3:51:08 PM To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] IPv6 Prefix Delegations from Aussie BB - Private or Routeable? Hi all Seeking some advice from people who do this kind of thing all the time. I have an IPv6 prefix (::/48) delegated from the ISP (Aussie BB) and for about the last two years that PD has been routed and accessible from the raw unfiltered Internet. Shows up on the portal etc. It's been configured mostly static, as I didn't have time to try to figure out PD. A few days ago that subnet stopped working completely. It's still delegated, and the router can even hand out the delegated addresses, but nothing routes. I've now had multiple responses from the support team claiming that > IPv6 /48 subnets in IA-PD address's are only usable for LAN. The IPv6 /64 > subnet is the only one that can be used outside of a LAN scope. The subnet being delegated seems to be a regulation IPv6 subnet - it's part of the 2403:5800::/28 delegated to Aussie Broadband by APNIC. Am I missing something obvious here? Shouldn't a PD normally be routed (why would I bother getting a PD from the ISP if it's not routable space - I'd just use something from fd00::)? Are ABB really enforcing NAT/NPT on a protocol designed not to need it any more? It's still delegated to my nameservers for reverse resolution, which I think wouldn't be needed if it wasn't routable in the first place. And the corresponding IPv4 routed subnet is fine. Does anyone else have a PD from Aussie Broadband, obviously on a business plan of some sort is preferred, where the PD subnets are routable? Alternatively - am I just being dumb? I could be dumb, it's a day ending in a Y... For reference it's a simple architecture where the PD should be usable on the LAN side of the router, but isn't: ABB <---> IPv6 DHCP --[ROUTER]-- IPv6 PD <---> [FW] Dave. -- David Rawling - Principal Consultant PD Consulting and Security t: +61 41 213 5513 | e: djr at pdconsec.net Please note that whilst we take all care, neither PD Consulting and Security nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan for viruses. The contents are intended only for use by the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, we request that you please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <8a58e37d88e46ec18817e749fcfad09baa636f55.camel@pdconsec.net> Message-ID: Much appreciated, James, especially considering it's a public holiday weekend. I have sent what I trust is the right detail privately. Dave. -- David Rawling - Principal Consultant PD Consulting and Security t: +61 41 213 5513 | e: djr at pdconsec.net Please note that whilst we take all care, neither PD Consulting and Security nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan for viruses. The contents are intended only for use by the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, we request that you please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material. On Fri, 2025-04-25 at 06:36 +0000, James Di Trapani wrote: > Hi David, > > The response from the support team isn't entirely correct, PDs should > be entirely routable. Can you shoot me your service ID & PD range > off-list. > > Cheers, > > James Di Trapani > Senior Manager Network Backbone & IP Edge > > Aussie Broadband Limited > > T: +61431003217 > E: james.ditrapani at team.aussiebroadband.com.au > > > aussiebroadband.com.au > > Aussie Logo.png? ? > > > ??? > > > > > This e-mail may include confidential information. If you received > this e-mail by mistake, please inform the sender immediately and then > delete this e-mail. Please do not copy or share the information > included in this e-mail. Aussie Broadband acknowledges the > Traditional Custodians of country throughout Australia and their > connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respect to their > elders past, present, and emerging, and extend that respect to all > Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today. > > > > From: AusNOG on behalf of David > Rawling > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2025 3:51:08 PM > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: [AusNOG] IPv6 Prefix Delegations from Aussie BB - Private or > Routeable?? > Hi all > > Seeking some advice from people who do this kind of thing all the > time. > > I have an IPv6 prefix (::/48) delegated from the ISP (Aussie BB) and > for about the last two years that PD has been routed and accessible > from the raw unfiltered Internet. Shows up on the portal etc. It's > been configured mostly static, as I didn't have time to try to figure > out PD. > > A few days ago that subnet stopped working completely. It's still > delegated, and the router can even hand out the delegated addresses, > but nothing routes. I've now had multiple responses from the support > team claiming that > > >?IPv6 /48 subnets in IA-PD address's are only usable for LAN. The > IPv6 /64 > > subnet is the only one that can be used outside of a LAN scope. > > The subnet being delegated seems to be a regulation IPv6 subnet - > it's part of the 2403:5800::/28 delegated to Aussie Broadband by > APNIC. > > Am I missing something obvious here? Shouldn't a PD normally be > routed (why would I bother getting a PD from the ISP if it's not > routable space - I'd just use something from fd00::)? Are ABB really > enforcing NAT/NPT on a protocol designed not to need it any more? > It's still delegated to my nameservers for reverse resolution, which > I think wouldn't be needed if it wasn't routable in the first place. > And the corresponding IPv4 routed subnet is fine. > > Does anyone else have a PD from Aussie Broadband, obviously on a > business plan of some sort is preferred, where the PD subnets are > routable? Alternatively - am I just being dumb? I could be dumb, it's > a day ending in a Y... > > For reference it's a simple architecture where the PD should be > usable on the LAN side of the router, but isn't: > > ABB <---> IPv6 DHCP --[ROUTER]-- IPv6 PD <---> [FW] > > Dave. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image.png Type: image/png Size: 16938 bytes Desc: Image.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image.png Type: image/png Size: 529 bytes Desc: Image.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image.png Type: image/png Size: 586 bytes Desc: Image.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The symptom was that you could traceroute6 externally to ABB's border then it would stop. > A few days ago that subnet stopped working completely. It's still Are you certain it's still that same /48 as it has been in the past? They can change under some circumstances, e.g., when they had their 1000/400 offer late last year, switching to that speed tier involved a different /48 - as did switching back. > Does anyone else have a PD from Aussie Broadband, obviously on a Many ABB customers are using ipv6 globally as is discussed frequently on whirlpool. Something is up with your service or your setup. Mark.