From dave.taht at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 11:55:44 2023
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 19:55:44 -0500
Subject: [AusNOG] sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster
	broadband speeds
Message-ID: <CAA93jw7BoyRM4N5vLLO1Ed=OMBZyOHxBo3yWvo9oUTLJp72nVw@mail.gmail.com>

Over here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit

Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the FCC's
NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing the
broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit.

"Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for
cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without
calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering wheels,
(or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these initiatives will
fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present and future users
of the internet."

Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in flux...


-- 
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From dave.taht at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 05:11:09 2023
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 13:11:09 -0500
Subject: [AusNOG] sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster
	broadband speeds
In-Reply-To: <CAJ_LqoFcbWu8wE8ejHVXaBMusLKRMmZDD2jVhgwJuk_5qW6apw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA93jw7BoyRM4N5vLLO1Ed=OMBZyOHxBo3yWvo9oUTLJp72nVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALKF_0T0Dm2c5ivt81S-9Kk=QaJWYAVzSiRtQ-Gs-eqO42+n5w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:46?PM Shane Ronan <shane at ronan-online.com> wrote:
>
> If you want money from the government to subsidize your network, you'll follow their rules...

It is the misguided focus on too many too simple things from the
regulator and Congress, without even understanding what a packet is,
and enormous subsidies for things that don't matter, and great
mis-understanding of the things that do, that bothers me the most.

Anyway, for 14 years, I have been trying to get bufferbloat fixed,
universally, and great progress is being made. I felt that with one
political push like this, it might begin to turn the tide. We are
accepting signatures on the FCC filing until 2PM EST today.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit

> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:39?PM Tom Mitchell <tmitchell at netelastic.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure we need the FCC telling us how to build products or run networks.  Seat belts are life-or-death, but bufferbloat is rarely fatal ;-)  Let it be a point of differentiation.
>>
>> -- Tom
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:56?PM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Over here:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit
>>>
>>> Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the FCC's
>>> NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing the
>>> broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit.
>>>
>>> "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for
>>> cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without
>>> calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering wheels,
>>> (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these initiatives will
>>> fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present and future users
>>> of the internet."
>>>
>>> Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in flux...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab
>>> Dave T?ht CSO, LibreQos



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From dave.taht at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 06:46:54 2023
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 14:46:54 -0500
Subject: [AusNOG] sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster
	broadband speeds
In-Reply-To: <450DB89B-D488-4E6A-B4B3-4B3B25043FBD@beckman.org>
References: <CAA93jw7BoyRM4N5vLLO1Ed=OMBZyOHxBo3yWvo9oUTLJp72nVw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:55?PM Mel Beckman <mel at beckman.org> wrote:
>
> bufferbloat is rarely fatal

This task will put me in my grave, sooner rather than later!
>
>
> LOL! I know one person taht may disagree with that :)
>
>  -mel
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 9:41 AM, Tom Mitchell <tmitchell at netelastic.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Not sure we need the FCC telling us how to build products or run networks.  Seat belts are life-or-death, but bufferbloat is rarely fatal ;-)  Let it be a point of differentiation.
>
> -- Tom
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:56?PM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Over here:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit
>>
>> Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the FCC's
>> NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing the
>> broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit.
>>
>> "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for
>> cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without
>> calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering wheels,
>> (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these initiatives will
>> fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present and future users
>> of the internet."
>>
>> Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in flux...
>>
>>
>> --
>> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab
>> Dave T?ht CSO, LibreQos



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From dave.taht at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 00:21:33 2023
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 08:21:33 -0500
Subject: [AusNOG] sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster
	broadband speeds
In-Reply-To: <0899B7C3-3B57-4693-941B-078B04DB873A@samplonius.org>
References: <CAA93jw7BoyRM4N5vLLO1Ed=OMBZyOHxBo3yWvo9oUTLJp72nVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <0899B7C3-3B57-4693-941B-078B04DB873A@samplonius.org>
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On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 6:21?PM Tom Samplonius <tom at samplonius.org> wrote:
>
>
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit
> >
> > Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the FCC's
> > NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing the
> > broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit.
>
>
>   The era of ?buffer bloat? has passed.  Buffer bloat is just about jitter, and jitter mitigation is just better now.

I am really not sure what world you live in. Certainly the problem has
got much better since 2010, but nearly
every network I ever explore still has vast amounts of it. The global
south, every coffee shop, and every hotel
I have been in, all have major issues here.  I make a habit of testing
the conference wifi and posting results
at every talk. The apartment complex I am staying in this week has a completely
saturated backhaul and oversubscribed wifi, with tremendous amounts of
delay and packet loss, where more
constructive packet loss would help. Google docs is nearly unusable
most of the day... and so it goes.

I do hope the solutions for bloat continue to roll out globally and we
cross this chasm in the next few years.

>   I don?t think jitter needs to be part of public policy.

Congress has mandated a report from the FCC every year about the state
of the internet, which is what
this attempt at a constructive policy change of focus was about.

>
> Tom



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From rhys at nexusone.com.au  Thu Dec  7 15:55:53 2023
From: rhys at nexusone.com.au (Rhys Hanrahan)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 04:55:53 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
Message-ID: <4B9829F5-DE1D-4ECB-8F73-A73F3ABAA90D@nexusone.com.au>

Hi All,

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

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From derek at madrock.net  Thu Dec  7 23:04:29 2023
From: derek at madrock.net (Derek)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 12:04:29 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
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We use these guys for secure door to door service.
https://www.caspl.com.au/

Regards
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Hi All,



Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.



We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?



We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.



Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!



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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Thu Dec  7 23:13:33 2023
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 12:13:33 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
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After many issues over the years with shipping equipment especially TNT, if I?m going anyway, I will always take it and check it in on the flight, in a lot of cases, it?s cheaper and yes, it might get thrown around a little bit, but it doesn?t matter what courier company you use it?s going to be a lot safer?.

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On 7 Dec 2023, at 22:01, Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au> wrote:

?
Hi All,

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

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From jenn at jenn.id.au  Fri Dec  8 00:37:35 2023
From: jenn at jenn.id.au (Jennifer Sims)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:37:35 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
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From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au  Fri Dec  8 08:27:02 2023
From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:27:02 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
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Seasons? Greetings Noggers,

If I have to use airlines to move equipment, I check it in as oversized baggage. Unfortunately, insurance for accompanied luggage is not great (usually non-existent) for the reasons Jennifer has shown.
Make sure equipment is boxed well. I?ve sat on the plane and watched baggage handlers throw boxes marked fragile onto the baggage cart.

Carriers we?ve learned to avoid are TNT (damaged equipment), Couriers Please (late/failed pickups/late deliveries) and Parcel to Courier (damaged equipment).

We?ve had good results with Aramex and Fedex. Look at TransDirect if you prefer a broker and multiple options.

In November we had new HP equipment for deployment at SY4.
I had it shipped to my home, tested a basic config, loaded it into my car and drove 850klms then unloaded at SY4 where it was installed and commissioned.

IMHO, the best way to get equipment safely to the DC is via car.

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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Jennifer Sims
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Courier insurance

Sadly I did this and ended up in a very bad situation.

I had some gear shipped to me in QLD, and was bringing back to me in Vic for the following weekend.

Saw it off at Brisbane all bagged and tagged.

Then in Melbourne, virgin says ?we placed it on belt 2, we aren?t going responsible for you not picking it up?. Efforts to explain to the airline that no I didn?t pick it up, and that it never arrived on the belt the same as everything else.

They literally just ignored me and left me high and dry. Police said they could not do anything as no indication it was stolen, airport refused to check cctv as police didn?t do report, and baggage services kept shirking responsibility.

After lots of backward and forward, we just had to give up.

The vendor on the other hand was very understanding and it cost me as per our agreement, which was money I didn?t want to burn but sadly, had no choice because I needed to keep to my agreement.

Overall, don?t trust the airlines. If you check it, make sure it?s got an air tag or something to track it down.

Jen
Sent from my iPhone


On 7 Dec 2023, at 23:14, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:
? After many issues over the years with shipping equipment especially TNT, if I?m going anyway, I will always take it and check it in on the flight, in a lot of cases, it?s cheaper and yes, it might get thrown around a little bit, but it doesn?t matter what courier company you use it?s going to be a lot safer?.

Nathan Brookfield
General Manager

p: 1300 592 330  |  m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au


Level 4, Suite 2, 189 Kent Street Sydney NSW 2000

Your Connectivity Team



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On 7 Dec 2023, at 22:01, Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au<mailto:rhys at nexusone.com.au>> wrote:
?
Hi All,

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
m: 0414 83 83 43 | e: rhys at nexusone.com.au<mailto:rhys at nexusone.com.au>
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From joseph at goldman.id.au  Fri Dec  8 08:31:50 2023
From: joseph at goldman.id.au (Joseph Goldman)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2023 21:31:50 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
In-Reply-To: <95e65899845242e3b8ed2cb5484c5a37@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
References: <4C748D9D-D7DD-450E-B41D-CAC08B570CA5@iperium.com.au>
 <C8E17A82-0A9E-4C6A-AE4D-A30E866B6040@jenn.id.au>
 <95e65899845242e3b8ed2cb5484c5a37@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
Message-ID: <em4e05ef83-69eb-4e2d-9cbe-aacf9583d9d8@joe-pc>

Whilst usually I agree with just load it up and drive it, this 
particular trip is more like 1500km each way, so it will cost 4 full 
days in travel return trip to do so.

I do love a good road trip though :D thoughts @Rhys? :P

------ Original Message ------
From: "Darren Moss" <Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au>
To: "Jennifer Sims" <jenn at jenn.id.au>; "Nathan Brookfield" 
<Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Sent: 8/12/2023 8:27:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Courier insurance

>Seasons? Greetings Noggers,
>
>
>
>If I have to use airlines to move equipment, I check it in as oversized 
>baggage. Unfortunately, insurance for accompanied luggage is not great 
>(usually non-existent) for the reasons Jennifer has shown.
>
>Make sure equipment is boxed well. I?ve sat on the plane and watched 
>baggage handlers throw boxes marked fragile onto the baggage cart.
>
>
>
>Carriers we?ve learned to avoid are TNT (damaged equipment), Couriers 
>Please (late/failed pickups/late deliveries) and Parcel to Courier 
>(damaged equipment).
>
>
>
>We?ve had good results with Aramex and Fedex. Look at TransDirect if 
>you prefer a broker and multiple options.
>
>
>
>In November we had new HP equipment for deployment at SY4.
>
>I had it shipped to my home, tested a basic config, loaded it into my 
>car and drove 850klms then unloaded at SY4 where it was installed and 
>commissioned.
>
>
>
>IMHO, the best way to get equipment safely to the DC is via car.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>Darren Moss
>
>General Manager
>
>Cloud365 Australia Pty Limited
>
><https://www.cloud365.com.au/>
>
>
>Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au
>
>
>+61 1800 888 365 x105
>
>
>+61 3 9017 2287
>
>
>Level 1, 1 Queens Road, Melbourne VIC 3004
>
>
>cloud365.com.au <https://www.cloud365.com.au/>
>
><https://www.linkedin.com/in/thatdarrenguy/>
>
>This communication may contain confidential or privileged information 
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>
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>From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Jennifer 
>Sims
>Sent: Friday, 8 December 2023 12:38 AM
>To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
>Cc:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
>
>
>
>Sadly I did this and ended up in a very bad situation.
>
>
>
>I had some gear shipped to me in QLD, and was bringing back to me in 
>Vic for the following weekend.
>
>
>
>Saw it off at Brisbane all bagged and tagged.
>
>
>
>Then in Melbourne, virgin says ?we placed it on belt 2, we aren?t going 
>responsible for you not picking it up?. Efforts to explain to the 
>airline that no I didn?t pick it up, and that it never arrived on the 
>belt the same as everything else.
>
>
>
>They literally just ignored me and left me high and dry. Police said 
>they could not do anything as no indication it was stolen, airport 
>refused to check cctv as police didn?t do report, and baggage services 
>kept shirking responsibility.
>
>
>
>After lots of backward and forward, we just had to give up.
>
>
>
>The vendor on the other hand was very understanding and it cost me as 
>per our agreement, which was money I didn?t want to burn but sadly, had 
>no choice because I needed to keep to my agreement.
>
>
>
>Overall, don?t trust the airlines. If you check it, make sure it?s got 
>an air tag or something to track it down.
>
>
>
>Jen
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>>On 7 Dec 2023, at 23:14, Nathan Brookfield 
>><Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>? After many issues over the years with shipping equipment especially 
>>TNT, if I?m going anyway, I will always take it and check it in on the 
>>flight, in a lot of cases, it?s cheaper and yes, it might get thrown 
>>around a little bit, but it doesn?t matter what courier company you 
>>use it?s going to be a lot safer?.
>>
>>
>>
>>Nathan Brookfield
>>General Manager
>>
>>p: 1300 592 330  |  m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au 
>><https://Iperium.com.au>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Level 4, Suite 2, 189 Kent Street Sydney NSW 2000
>>
>>
>>Your Connectivity Team
>>
>>
>>
>>DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 
>>This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments 
>>thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be 
>>privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable 
>>intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or 
>>distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by 
>>any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you 
>>received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately 
>>and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and 
>>legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery 
>>to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author 
>>and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium.
>>
>>WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient 
>>should check this email and any attachments for the presence of 
>>viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any 
>>virus transmitted by this email.
>>
>>
>>On 7 Dec 2023, at 22:01, Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>?
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>>Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance 
>>for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options 
>>for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands 
>>to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose 
>>we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.
>>
>>
>>
>>We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of 
>>our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in 
>>far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be 
>>damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? 
>>I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of 
>>situation?
>>
>>
>>
>>We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check 
>>the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers 
>>any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t 
>>really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s 
>>own challenges in this case.
>>
>>
>>
>>Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
>>m: 0414 83 83 43 | e: rhys at nexusone.com.au
>>
>>?Ask us about how our Channel Partnership and Referral Program can 
>>earn you passive income?
>>
>><http://www.nexusone.com.au/>
>>
>><image001.png> <http://www.nexusone.com.au/>
>>
>>     <http://www.fusiontech.com.au/>
>>
>><image002.png> <http://www.fusiontech.com.au/>
>>
>>
>>
>>NEXUS ONE | FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS
>>p: 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565 845 | a: Suite 12.03 Level 
>>12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000
>>www.nexusone.com.au | www.fusiontech.com.au
>>
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>>Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged 
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From siymann at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 08:58:11 2023
From: siymann at gmail.com (Simon Scott)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 08:58:11 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
In-Reply-To: <em4e05ef83-69eb-4e2d-9cbe-aacf9583d9d8@joe-pc>
References: <4C748D9D-D7DD-450E-B41D-CAC08B570CA5@iperium.com.au>
 <C8E17A82-0A9E-4C6A-AE4D-A30E866B6040@jenn.id.au>
 <95e65899845242e3b8ed2cb5484c5a37@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
 <em4e05ef83-69eb-4e2d-9cbe-aacf9583d9d8@joe-pc>
Message-ID: <CAHqGBR8mnj2fLkfxgNNoUkarOUP1QxnL3PfmQhpUN2SM_jPJ+w@mail.gmail.com>

try cope sensitive freight

On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 at 08:32, Joseph Goldman <joseph at goldman.id.au> wrote:

> Whilst usually I agree with just load it up and drive it, this particular
> trip is more like 1500km each way, so it will cost 4 full days in travel
> return trip to do so.
>
> I do love a good road trip though :D thoughts @Rhys? :P
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Darren Moss" <Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au>
> To: "Jennifer Sims" <jenn at jenn.id.au>; "Nathan Brookfield" <
> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
> Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Sent: 8/12/2023 8:27:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
>
> Seasons? Greetings Noggers,
>
>
>
> If I have to use airlines to move equipment, I check it in as oversized
> baggage. Unfortunately, insurance for accompanied luggage is not great
> (usually non-existent) for the reasons Jennifer has shown.
>
> Make sure equipment is boxed well. I?ve sat on the plane and watched
> baggage handlers throw boxes marked fragile onto the baggage cart.
>
>
>
> Carriers we?ve learned to avoid are TNT (damaged equipment), Couriers
> Please (late/failed pickups/late deliveries) and Parcel to Courier (damaged
> equipment).
>
>
>
> We?ve had good results with Aramex and Fedex. Look at TransDirect if you
> prefer a broker and multiple options.
>
>
>
> In November we had new HP equipment for deployment at SY4.
>
> I had it shipped to my home, tested a basic config, loaded it into my car
> and drove 850klms then unloaded at SY4 where it was installed and
> commissioned.
>
>
>
> IMHO, the best way to get equipment safely to the DC is via car.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> *Darren Moss*
>
> General Manager
>
> Cloud365 Australia Pty Limited
>
> <https://www.cloud365.com.au/>
>
> Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au
>
> +61 1800 888 365 x105
>
> +61 3 9017 2287
>
> Level 1, 1 Queens Road, Melbourne VIC 3004
>
> *cloud365.com.au <https://www.cloud365.com.au/>*
>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/thatdarrenguy/>
>
> This communication may contain confidential or privileged information
> intended solely for the individual or entity above. If you are not the
> intended recipient you must not use, interfere with, disclose, copy or
> retain this email and you should notify the sender immediately by return
> email or by contacting our office. Opinions expressed may not represent an
> organisational view. Please consider the environment before printing.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *Jennifer
> Sims
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 December 2023 12:38 AM
> *To:* Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
>
>
>
> Sadly I did this and ended up in a very bad situation.
>
>
>
> I had some gear shipped to me in QLD, and was bringing back to me in Vic
> for the following weekend.
>
>
>
> Saw it off at Brisbane all bagged and tagged.
>
>
>
> Then in Melbourne, virgin says ?we placed it on belt 2, we aren?t going
> responsible for you not picking it up?. Efforts to explain to the airline
> that no I didn?t pick it up, and that it never arrived on the belt the same
> as everything else.
>
>
>
> They literally just ignored me and left me high and dry. Police said they
> could not do anything as no indication it was stolen, airport refused to
> check cctv as police didn?t do report, and baggage services kept shirking
> responsibility.
>
>
>
> After lots of backward and forward, we just had to give up.
>
>
>
> The vendor on the other hand was very understanding and it cost me as per
> our agreement, which was money I didn?t want to burn but sadly, had no
> choice because I needed to keep to my agreement.
>
>
>
> Overall, don?t trust the airlines. If you check it, make sure it?s got an
> air tag or something to track it down.
>
>
>
> Jen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On 7 Dec 2023, at 23:14, Nathan Brookfield <
> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>
> ? After many issues over the years with shipping equipment especially TNT,
> if I?m going anyway, I will always take it and check it in on the flight,
> in a lot of cases, it?s cheaper and yes, it might get thrown around a
> little bit, but it doesn?t matter what courier company you use it?s going
> to be a lot safer?.
>
>
>
> *Nathan Brookfield *
> General Manager
>
> *p*: 1300 592 330  |  *m*: 0412 266 008 | *w*: https://Iperium.com.au
>
>
>
> Level 4, Suite 2, 189 Kent Street Sydney NSW 2000
>
>
> *Your Connectivity Team*
>
>
> DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This
> electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto,
> contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and
> otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual
> property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the
> information contained in this document, by any person other than the
> addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error,
> please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any
> computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by
> reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are
> solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of
> Iperium.
>
> WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient
> should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses.
> Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted
> by this email.
>
>
> On 7 Dec 2023, at 22:01, Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for
> domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for
> TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a
> warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be
> able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.
>
>
>
> We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our
> offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north
> QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m
> looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone
> is aware of good options for this sort of situation?
>
>
>
> We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the
> boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any
> better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want
> to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in
> this case.
>
>
>
> Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
>
>
>
> *Rhys Hanrahan* | General Manager / CTO
> *m:* 0414 83 83 43 | *e:* rhys at nexusone.com.au
>
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From jaedwards at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 10:09:53 2023
From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 09:39:53 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
In-Reply-To: <4B9829F5-DE1D-4ECB-8F73-A73F3ABAA90D@nexusone.com.au>
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People don't choose "courier" or "forklift driver" as their vocation out of
a burning desire to serve their fellow humans, so there's always an element
of risk in shipping.

Having said that, consider medical couriers as an option. These are people
who are usually hand-picked from courier companies for premium work and
have a greater sense of consequence with their work. There is usually some
company servicing a regional hospital on scheduled runs in every major town.

The guys who warehouse/deliver parts for Telstra and Nokia in Australia are
also the same guys who haul blood and kidneys for hospitals.

My personal story of tracking a missing router to the n-th degree found it
with dual-wheel tyre tracks across the box - it's difficult for them to
claim the waiver of liability when it's clearly one of their own vehicles
that damaged it. I have heard of an expensive router chassis arriving with
a forklift-tyne-sized hole through the box to the other side.

Tips for airline transport:
- Check the weight handling limit and try and stay under it - usually
something like 30kg per item
- Don't ship fully assembled routers, put the labelled line cards and PSU's
back in original boxes, and wrap those boxes with excessive amounts of
bubble wrap
- If you have support contracts, validate that the vendor actually has the
spares stocked near the destination for quick turnaround if something
happens
- Camera shops near you stock the "pelican" cases which are an ideal armour
for 1-3 RU size payloads and make you look badass at the luggage carousel
(allow time in your plan for pressure to equalise, these can be hard to
open after being subjected to altitude)
- Cisco 7200's were shipped so often back in the day that Cisco had a
replacement box as an orderable part number

John


On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 at 22:31, Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for
> domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for
> TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a
> warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be
> able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.
>
>
>
> We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our
> offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north
> QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m
> looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone
> is aware of good options for this sort of situation?
>
>
>
> We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the
> boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any
> better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want
> to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in
> this case.
>
>
>
> Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
>
>
>
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From tim.jones at nexthop.com.au  Fri Dec  8 10:20:20 2023
From: tim.jones at nexthop.com.au (Tim Jones)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:20:20 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
In-Reply-To: <4B9829F5-DE1D-4ECB-8F73-A73F3ABAA90D@nexusone.com.au>
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Allow some extra time if you do go down the checked baggage route.
I transported a bike as oversized luggage on a return trip to QLD recently from Sydney. The bike made it with me on the way up, but the plane was too full on the way back so it was delayed by 24 hours, along with most of the other oversized luggage on that flight.

Cheers,
Tim


From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au>
Date: Thursday, 7 December 2023 at 11:01?pm
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
EXTERNAL: This email originated from outside Nexthop.
Hi All,

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

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From craig at askings.com.au  Fri Dec  8 10:25:12 2023
From: craig at askings.com.au (Craig Askings)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 09:25:12 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
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> On 8 Dec 2023, at 9:09?am, John Edwards <jaedwards at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have heard of an expensive router chassis arriving with a forklift-tyne-sized hole through the box to the other side.

I personally had this happen to a Brocade switch at PIPE Networks. We kept the ASIC heatsink with all its bent fins as a souvenir and a reminder to carefully check all packages prior to signing for it. 
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From justintwiss at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 11:13:47 2023
From: justintwiss at gmail.com (justintwiss)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2023 08:13:47 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
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Would agree with Cope, have moved entire racks of kit between dcs without issue.Couriers?? Dropped a san, didn't say anything, we? noticed when when there was 5mm gap between the drive bay and chassis that wasn't there before.We have also used pack and send with success for random kit. With foam in place it's pretty difficult for even a baggage handler to damage.-JSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Simon Scott <siymann at gmail.com> Date: 8/12/23  05:59  (GMT+08:00) To: Joseph Goldman <joseph at goldman.id.au> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Courier insurance try cope sensitive freightOn Fri, 8 Dec 2023 at 08:32, Joseph Goldman <joseph at goldman.id.au> wrote:




Whilst usually I agree with just load it up and drive it, this particular trip is more like 1500km each way, so it will cost 4 full days in travel return trip to do so.I do love a good road trip though :D thoughts @Rhys? :P

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Seasons? Greetings Noggers,
?
If I have to use airlines to move equipment, I check it in as oversized baggage. Unfortunately, insurance for accompanied luggage is not great (usually non-existent) for the reasons Jennifer has
 shown.
Make sure equipment is boxed well. I?ve sat on the plane and watched baggage handlers throw boxes marked fragile onto the baggage cart.
?
Carriers we?ve learned to avoid are TNT (damaged equipment), Couriers Please (late/failed pickups/late deliveries) and Parcel to Courier (damaged equipment).
?
We?ve had good results with Aramex and Fedex. Look at TransDirect if you prefer a broker and multiple options.
?
In November we had new HP equipment for deployment at SY4.
I had it shipped to my home, tested a basic config, loaded it into my car and drove 850klms then unloaded at SY4 where it was installed and commissioned.
?
IMHO, the best way to get equipment safely to the DC is via car.
?

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?
Sadly I did this and ended up in a very bad situation.

?


I had some gear shipped to me in QLD, and was bringing back to me in Vic for the following weekend.


?


Saw it off at Brisbane all bagged and tagged.


?


Then in Melbourne, virgin says ?we placed it on belt 2, we aren?t going responsible for you not picking it up?. Efforts to explain to the airline that no I didn?t pick it up, and that it never arrived on the belt the same as everything
 else.


?


They literally just ignored me and left me high and dry. Police said they could not do anything as no indication it was stolen, airport refused to check cctv as police didn?t do report, and baggage services kept shirking responsibility.


?


After lots of backward and forward, we just had to give up.


?


The vendor on the other hand was very understanding and it cost me as per our agreement, which was money I didn?t want to burn but sadly, had no choice because I needed to keep to my agreement.?


?


Overall, don?t trust the airlines. If you check it, make sure it?s got an air tag or something to track it down.


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? After many issues over the years with shipping equipment especially TNT, if I?m going anyway, I will always take it and check it in on the flight, in a lot of cases, it?s cheaper and yes, it might get thrown around a little bit, but it
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Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max
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From stavros at staff.esc.net.au  Fri Dec  8 12:01:33 2023
From: stavros at staff.esc.net.au (Stavros Patiniotis)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 11:31:33 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
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Hello Rhys,

 

Ask you insurance broker about Marine Transit insurance ? its much more affordable.

 

From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Rhys Hanrahan
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2023 3:26 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance

 

Hi All,

 

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

 

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

 

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

 

Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

 

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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Rhys Hanrahan
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Hi All,

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
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From rhys at nexusone.com.au  Fri Dec  8 11:59:18 2023
From: rhys at nexusone.com.au (Rhys Hanrahan)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:59:18 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
Message-ID: <8E07DB72-3100-4369-BCB3-8FAC142AD08E@nexusone.com.au>

Thanks everyone for the responses! I managed to cause quite a flurry of activity ? I really appreciate it.

Have been mulling over all the inputs and right now I feel like checking in as luggage is off the cards  - most of the responses have been horror stories ? We have done this before for our own internal equipment and it?s been OK, but I wouldn?t do it in this case. IMO even if I wasn?t as worried about the equipment, it can be quite a hassle, so easier just to ship it.
To me right now the two front runners are:

  *   Quotes from sensitive freight companies ? TSS and COPE are the two I?ve seen recommended. From some rough info about TSS it seems like they?d insure high value equipment without it costing and arm and a leg.
  *   Quote from our existing business insurance company ? for a few day period to cover the courier trip. We?ve started the wheels on getting this quoted as well.
But also:

  *   To be honest, the idea of just having general transit cover for anything that leaves our offices is an attractive idea, as we already ship new PCs etc from our offices nearly every day. And as luck would have it, it seems like we just lost 1 of 2 Wifi Access points sent to the same site? Glad it wasn?t the expensive equipment.
  *   Driving the gear to site is definitely a good option, but as Joe mentioned, in this case it?d be a massive trip and the cost per day for the customer for our time would outweigh even TNT?s insurance ? though waiting to see if they have someone who can make the trip!
Thanks everyone!
Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au>
Date: Thursday, 7 December 2023 at 11:01 pm
To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance

Hi All,

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
m: 0414 83 83 43 | e: rhys at nexusone.com.au<mailto:rhys at nexusone.com.au>
?Ask us about how our Channel Partnership and Referral Program can earn you passive income?

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From jbuchan at webberaustralia.com.au  Fri Dec  8 17:10:56 2023
From: jbuchan at webberaustralia.com.au (John Buchan)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 06:10:56 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
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Rhys,

FWIW, we?re a small-medium Architectural services company, and have had a need to ship desktops and other IT equipment between AUS capital cities and staff residences quite a bit in recent years.

We?ve had quite a bit of success with Pack & Send, but not cheap with insurance.

Just coincidentally, we?ve had a need to ship a small carton from Adelaide and Sydney in the last 3 days.

I?ve tried with SpecFreight, TSS and Cope, but all have turned our business down ? too busy, not account holders, etc. ? maybe the job?s too small ?

Looks like it?s back to P&S.

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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au>
Date: Friday, 8 December 2023 at 4:25 pm
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Courier insurance

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Thanks everyone for the responses! I managed to cause quite a flurry of activity ? I really appreciate it.

Have been mulling over all the inputs and right now I feel like checking in as luggage is off the cards  - most of the responses have been horror stories &#128515; We have done this before for our own internal equipment and it?s been OK, but I wouldn?t do it in this case. IMO even if I wasn?t as worried about the equipment, it can be quite a hassle, so easier just to ship it.
To me right now the two front runners are:

 *   Quotes from sensitive freight companies ? TSS and COPE are the two I?ve seen recommended. From some rough info about TSS it seems like they?d insure high value equipment without it costing and arm and a leg.
 *   Quote from our existing business insurance company ? for a few day period to cover the courier trip. We?ve started the wheels on getting this quoted as well.
But also:

 *   To be honest, the idea of just having general transit cover for anything that leaves our offices is an attractive idea, as we already ship new PCs etc from our offices nearly every day. And as luck would have it, it seems like we just lost 1 of 2 Wifi Access points sent to the same site? Glad it wasn?t the expensive equipment.
 *   Driving the gear to site is definitely a good option, but as Joe mentioned, in this case it?d be a massive trip and the cost per day for the customer for our time would outweigh even TNT?s insurance ? though waiting to see if they have someone who can make the trip!
Thanks everyone!
Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
m: 0414 83 83 43 | e: rhys at nexusone.com.au<mailto:rhys at nexusone.com.au>
?Ask us about how our Channel Partnership and Referral Program can earn you passive income?

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The information in this email and any accompanying attachments may contain; a. Confidential information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; and or c. Copyright material Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd does not accept any responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use or distribution of this email.

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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au>
Date: Thursday, 7 December 2023 at 11:01 pm
To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance

Hi All,

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
m: 0414 83 83 43 | e: rhys at nexusone.com.au<mailto:rhys at nexusone.com.au>
?Ask us about how our Channel Partnership and Referral Program can earn you passive income?

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From dave at telcom.net.au  Fri Dec  8 17:38:33 2023
From: dave at telcom.net.au (David Treacy)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 06:38:33 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
In-Reply-To: <8E07DB72-3100-4369-BCB3-8FAC142AD08E@nexusone.com.au>
References: <8E07DB72-3100-4369-BCB3-8FAC142AD08E@nexusone.com.au>
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  *   Quote from our existing business insurance company ? for a few day period to cover the courier trip. We?ve started the wheels on getting this quoted as well

This is the way to do it.  It?s very cheap to add a few hundred k worth of goods in transit cover, when adding it to all the other crap you have to insure against.


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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Rhys Hanrahan
Sent: Friday, 8 December 2023 11:59 AM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Courier insurance

Thanks everyone for the responses! I managed to cause quite a flurry of activity ? I really appreciate it.

Have been mulling over all the inputs and right now I feel like checking in as luggage is off the cards  - most of the responses have been horror stories ? We have done this before for our own internal equipment and it?s been OK, but I wouldn?t do it in this case. IMO even if I wasn?t as worried about the equipment, it can be quite a hassle, so easier just to ship it.
To me right now the two front runners are:

  *   Quotes from sensitive freight companies ? TSS and COPE are the two I?ve seen recommended. From some rough info about TSS it seems like they?d insure high value equipment without it costing and arm and a leg.
  *   Quote from our existing business insurance company ? for a few day period to cover the courier trip. We?ve started the wheels on getting this quoted as well.
But also:

  *   To be honest, the idea of just having general transit cover for anything that leaves our offices is an attractive idea, as we already ship new PCs etc from our offices nearly every day. And as luck would have it, it seems like we just lost 1 of 2 Wifi Access points sent to the same site? Glad it wasn?t the expensive equipment.
  *   Driving the gear to site is definitely a good option, but as Joe mentioned, in this case it?d be a massive trip and the cost per day for the customer for our time would outweigh even TNT?s insurance ? though waiting to see if they have someone who can make the trip!
Thanks everyone!
Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
m: 0414 83 83 43 | e: rhys at nexusone.com.au<mailto:rhys at nexusone.com.au>
?Ask us about how our Channel Partnership and Referral Program can earn you passive income?

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NEXUS ONE | FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS
p: 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565 845 | a: Suite 12.03 Level 12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000
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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> on behalf of Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au<mailto:rhys at nexusone.com.au>>
Date: Thursday, 7 December 2023 at 11:01 pm
To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance

Hi All,

Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.

We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone is aware of good options for this sort of situation?

We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in this case.

Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

Rhys Hanrahan | General Manager / CTO
m: 0414 83 83 43 | e: rhys at nexusone.com.au<mailto:rhys at nexusone.com.au>
?Ask us about how our Channel Partnership and Referral Program can earn you passive income?

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From mmc at mmc.com.au  Mon Dec 11 13:22:51 2023
From: mmc at mmc.com.au (Matthew Moyle-Croft)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 12:52:51 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] Courier insurance
In-Reply-To: <8E07DB72-3100-4369-BCB3-8FAC142AD08E@nexusone.com.au>
References: <8E07DB72-3100-4369-BCB3-8FAC142AD08E@nexusone.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAANqdPdCKfajn9YTyBy+Lx3Uod4MkBtQxO1jCuwpm3XpHXaKpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Talking to your insurance agent about the costs of insuring various items
in transit is worth doing. Often as part of a larger business policy these
are not actually huge costs.

MMC

On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 at 16:24, Rhys Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au> wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the responses! I managed to cause quite a flurry of
> activity ? I really appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Have been mulling over all the inputs and right now I feel like checking
> in as luggage is off the cards  - most of the responses have been horror
> stories ? We have done this before for our own internal equipment and
> it?s been OK, but I wouldn?t do it in this case. IMO even if I wasn?t as
> worried about the equipment, it can be quite a hassle, so easier just to
> ship it.
>
> To me right now the two front runners are:
>
>    - Quotes from sensitive freight companies ? TSS and COPE are the two
>    I?ve seen recommended. From some rough info about TSS it seems like they?d
>    insure high value equipment without it costing and arm and a leg.
>    - Quote from our existing business insurance company ? for a few day
>    period to cover the courier trip. We?ve started the wheels on getting this
>    quoted as well.
>
> But also:
>
>    - To be honest, the idea of just having general transit cover for
>    anything that leaves our offices is an attractive idea, as we already ship
>    new PCs etc from our offices nearly every day. And as luck would have it,
>    it seems like we just lost 1 of 2 Wifi Access points sent to the same site?
>    Glad it wasn?t the expensive equipment.
>    - Driving the gear to site is definitely a good option, but as Joe
>    mentioned, in this case it?d be a massive trip and the cost per day for the
>    customer for our time would outweigh even TNT?s insurance ? though waiting
>    to see if they have someone who can make the trip!
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> *Rhys Hanrahan* | General Manager / CTO
> *m:* 0414 83 83 43 | *e:* rhys at nexusone.com.au
>
> *?Ask us about how our Channel Partnership and Referral Program can earn
> you passive income?*
>
> [image: www.nexusone.com.au] <http://www.nexusone.com.au/>   [image:
> signature_1237010360] <http://www.fusiontech.com.au/>
>
> *NEXUS ONE* *|** FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS*
> *p:* 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565 845 *|* *a:* Suite 12.03
> Level 12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000
> www.nexusone.com.au *|* www.fusiontech.com.au
>
> *The information in this email and any accompanying attachments may
> contain; a. Confidential information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty
> Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged information
> of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties;
> and or c. Copyright material Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One
> Pty Ltd or third parties. If you have received this email in error, please
> notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Fusion Technology
> Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd does not accept any responsibility for
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>
> *Please consider the environment before printing this email.*
>
>
>
> *From: *AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Rhys
> Hanrahan <rhys at nexusone.com.au>
> *Date: *Thursday, 7 December 2023 at 11:01 pm
> *To: *"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Courier insurance
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Just wondering how people handle the situation of transit insurance for
> domestic shipping of high value equipment? I am looking at options for
> TNT?s transit warranty and 1) It?s pricey and will cost thousands to get a
> warranty 2) They max out coverage at $40K it seems. I suppose we might be
> able to work around that with multiple separate shipments.
>
>
>
> We?ve got new Cisco gear worth 70-90K that we are shipping to one of our
> offices for configuration, then from NSW to a customer?s site in far north
> QLD. I?m not really keen on just trusting the gear won?t be damaged, so I?m
> looking for safe options to courier the equipment ? I?m wondering if anyone
> is aware of good options for this sort of situation?
>
>
>
> We are also attending site so it?s possible that we could just check the
> boxes in as luggage, but I?m not sure if I trust baggable handlers any
> better. Typically we?d just ship directly to site, but we don?t really want
> to configure and test it entirely onsite as that has it?s own challenges in
> this case.
>
>
>
> Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
>
>
>
> *Rhys Hanrahan* | General Manager / CTO
> *m:* 0414 83 83 43 | *e:* rhys at nexusone.com.au
>
> *?Ask us about how our Channel Partnership and Referral Program can earn
> you passive income?*
>
> [image: www.nexusone.com.au] <http://www.nexusone.com.au/>   [image:
> signature_1237010360] <http://www.fusiontech.com.au/>
>
> *NEXUS ONE* *|*
> * FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS p:* 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565
> 845 *|* *a:* Suite 12.03 Level 12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000
> www.nexusone.com.au *|* www.fusiontech.com.au
>
> *The information in this email and any accompanying attachments may
> contain; a. Confidential information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty
> Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged information
> of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties;
> and or c. Copyright material Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One
> Pty Ltd or third parties. If you have received this email in error, please
> notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Fusion Technology
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From luke.t at tncrew.com.au  Tue Dec 12 11:01:42 2023
From: luke.t at tncrew.com.au (Luke Thompson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:01:42 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] FOSS Documentation for mixed use-cases?
Message-ID: <5d81073a-47b9-4eed-9c4e-f5c511f7858c@tncrew.com.au>

G'day folks,

This year's been a long road of final ground-works for us, and I'm 
working to get a few more long-term nails bedded down before it's 2024. 
Eliminating Atlassian from our vendor stack is one of them.

We left Jira a while back for GitHub Project/Issues (not ideal, but 
we're constantly refining it and do a lot on there already), though 
Confluence Cloud is simple, good looking, and as of very recently, 
somewhat stable (ie. less awful than it was long-term following the 
re-build) and has been our Docs go-to since day 1.

I'd really like to shift this over to an open-source solution, and had 
been looking at Mkdocs over time though it's got that slightly rough 
open-source feeling to it, though brilliant, and recently stumbled upon 
a nice documentation site which was powered by Mkdocs-Material by Martin 
Donath & community.

https://github.com/squidfunk/mkdocs-material
Base of: https://www.mkdocs.org/

Python isn't our ideal; we're primarily PHP-driven at the moment while 
we keep evaluating a lower-level language to commit to fundamentally 
(Rust, Python, Ruby, Perl, etc). That's a slow-burn process for us, so 
at the moment Python would be a decent compromise - though PHP is our 
preference for a few reasons (namely for simplicity to internally deploy).

Does anyone have experiences, check this, avoid that, sort of feedback 
that they're happy to share? We'd be incredibly grateful!

A couple of others from my GitHub starred list:

https://github.com/facebook/docusaurus
https://github.com/BookStackApp/BookStack

Feels like yesterday (10~ years ago) I was leaving uni and joining web 
host #2 for $40k/year inc super... hard lessons must be learnt - don't 
tell them you're happy with the pay of your previous job! Now the kids 
are 6 & 2, and 2024's knocking on the door. Wild.

/(Also, quick plug for Mozilla Thunderbird - has now had a visual redo 
as of v115 "Supernova" - worth a sticky beak!)
https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/07/our-fastest-most-beautiful-release-ever-thunderbird-115-supernova-is-here//

Many thanks in advance for any recommendations, thoughts, etc. :-)

Cheers,
Luke
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From yaleman at ricetek.net  Tue Dec 12 11:16:55 2023
From: yaleman at ricetek.net (James Hodgkinson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:16:55 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] FOSS Documentation for mixed use-cases?
In-Reply-To: <5d81073a-47b9-4eed-9c4e-f5c511f7858c@tncrew.com.au>
References: <5d81073a-47b9-4eed-9c4e-f5c511f7858c@tncrew.com.au>
Message-ID: <8b9642c1-7a93-411f-b61b-af2349b38de7@app.fastmail.com>

mkdocs isn't bad, mdbook from the rust community is pretty great and has some good plugins/options. Both of them can work with Github Actions to publish to a variety of places like s3 buckets or github pages if you want things to be accessible. 

There's also hugo and zola for static site generation but they're less focused on docs and more generic.

On 2023-12-12 10:01 Luke Thompson wrote:
> G'day folks,
> 
> This year's been a long road of final ground-works for us, and I'm working to get a few more long-term nails bedded down before it's 2024. Eliminating Atlassian from our vendor stack is one of them.
> 
> We left Jira a while back for GitHub Project/Issues (not ideal, but we're constantly refining it and do a lot on there already), though Confluence Cloud is simple, good looking, and as of very recently, somewhat stable (ie. less awful than it was long-term following the re-build) and has been our Docs go-to since day 1.
> 
> I'd really like to shift this over to an open-source solution, and had been looking at Mkdocs over time though it's got that slightly rough open-source feeling to it, though brilliant, and recently stumbled upon a nice documentation site which was powered by Mkdocs-Material by Martin Donath & community.
> 
> 
> 
> https://github.com/squidfunk/mkdocs-material
> Base of: https://www.mkdocs.org/
> 
> 
> Python isn't our ideal; we're primarily PHP-driven at the moment while we keep evaluating a lower-level language to commit to fundamentally (Rust, Python, Ruby, Perl, etc). That's a slow-burn process for us, so at the moment Python would be a decent compromise - though PHP is our preference for a few reasons (namely for simplicity to internally deploy).
> 
> Does anyone have experiences, check this, avoid that, sort of feedback that they're happy to share? We'd be incredibly grateful!
> 
> A couple of others from my GitHub starred list:
> 
> 
> 
> https://github.com/facebook/docusaurus
> https://github.com/BookStackApp/BookStack
> 
> 
> Feels like yesterday (10~ years ago) I was leaving uni and joining web host #2 for $40k/year inc super... hard lessons must be learnt - don't tell them you're happy with the pay of your previous job! Now the kids are 6 & 2, and 2024's knocking on the door. Wild.
> 
> *(Also, quick plug for Mozilla Thunderbird - has now had a visual redo as of v115 "Supernova" - worth a sticky beak!)
> https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/07/our-fastest-most-beautiful-release-ever-thunderbird-115-supernova-is-here/*
> 
> Many thanks in advance for any recommendations, thoughts, etc. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Luke
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au  Tue Dec 12 11:50:53 2023
From: christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au (Christian Heinrich)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:50:53 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] FOSS Documentation for mixed use-cases?
In-Reply-To: <5d81073a-47b9-4eed-9c4e-f5c511f7858c@tncrew.com.au>
References: <5d81073a-47b9-4eed-9c4e-f5c511f7858c@tncrew.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAGKxTUTkdEPU8oGfwoqR6jC3zOa2egEX=xYGJjnw7ra=euXSvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Luke,

On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 at 11:02, Luke Thompson <luke.t at tncrew.com.au> wrote:
> Does anyone have experiences, check this, avoid that, sort of feedback that
> they're happy to share? We'd be incredibly grateful!

Ultimately, you'll want something that supports Markdown.


On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 at 11:02, Luke Thompson <luke.t at tncrew.com.au> wrote:
> We left Jira a while back for GitHub Project/Issues

If you're using GitHub Project/Issues then
https://jekyllrb.com/docs/github-pages/ is seamless as Jekyll can also
publish from the github.io domain too i.e.
https://github.com/cmlh/cmlh.github.io publishes to
https://cmlh.github.io as well as my own domain name.


-- 
Regards,
Christian Heinrich

http://cmlh.id.au/contact

From luke.t at tncrew.com.au  Thu Dec 14 10:15:51 2023
From: luke.t at tncrew.com.au (Luke Thompson)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:15:51 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] FOSS Documentation for mixed use-cases?
In-Reply-To: <5d81073a-47b9-4eed-9c4e-f5c511f7858c@tncrew.com.au>
References: <5d81073a-47b9-4eed-9c4e-f5c511f7858c@tncrew.com.au>
Message-ID: <549b0592-f9d9-45cc-b4f6-b5c5516479ae@tncrew.com.au>

Many thanks Christian and James!

Agreed re: markdown, it's hard not to love MD. Plus compatibility keeps 
growing.

I like the GitHub Pages publishing idea but as James says, only if it's 
for a public space/repo/etc.

Appreciate the hugo/zola approach too (static site generation), I 
wouldn't have considered a less specific route.

Will crack on with looking further into each, taking a few for a spin, 
and then making a call. :-)

Thanks again,
Luke


On 12/12/2023 10:01 am, Luke Thompson wrote:
>
> G'day folks,
>
> This year's been a long road of final ground-works for us, and I'm 
> working to get a few more long-term nails bedded down before it's 
> 2024. Eliminating Atlassian from our vendor stack is one of them.
>
> We left Jira a while back for GitHub Project/Issues (not ideal, but 
> we're constantly refining it and do a lot on there already), though 
> Confluence Cloud is simple, good looking, and as of very recently, 
> somewhat stable (ie. less awful than it was long-term following the 
> re-build) and has been our Docs go-to since day 1.
>
> I'd really like to shift this over to an open-source solution, and had 
> been looking at Mkdocs over time though it's got that slightly rough 
> open-source feeling to it, though brilliant, and recently stumbled 
> upon a nice documentation site which was powered by Mkdocs-Material by 
> Martin Donath & community.
>
> https://github.com/squidfunk/mkdocs-material
> Base of: https://www.mkdocs.org/
>
> Python isn't our ideal; we're primarily PHP-driven at the moment while 
> we keep evaluating a lower-level language to commit to fundamentally 
> (Rust, Python, Ruby, Perl, etc). That's a slow-burn process for us, so 
> at the moment Python would be a decent compromise - though PHP is our 
> preference for a few reasons (namely for simplicity to internally deploy).
>
> Does anyone have experiences, check this, avoid that, sort of feedback 
> that they're happy to share? We'd be incredibly grateful!
>
> A couple of others from my GitHub starred list:
>
> https://github.com/facebook/docusaurus
> https://github.com/BookStackApp/BookStack
>
> Feels like yesterday (10~ years ago) I was leaving uni and joining web 
> host #2 for $40k/year inc super... hard lessons must be learnt - don't 
> tell them you're happy with the pay of your previous job! Now the kids 
> are 6 & 2, and 2024's knocking on the door. Wild.
>
> /(Also, quick plug for Mozilla Thunderbird - has now had a visual redo 
> as of v115 "Supernova" - worth a sticky beak!)
> https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/07/our-fastest-most-beautiful-release-ever-thunderbird-115-supernova-is-here//
>
> Many thanks in advance for any recommendations, thoughts, etc. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From turbo124 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 11:53:16 2023
From: turbo124 at gmail.com (David Bomba)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:53:16 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Brocade Mini USB serial cable S1
Message-ID: <CACS0AjGCFZOJ61uRgL5pLgZLs-EuzaRyJ_HCj4xJN1ZyZ64DQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

Long shot, but was wondering if anyone had a spare Mini USB serial cable
they can depart with and are around NextDC S1. These are next to impossible
to acquire on short notice.
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From mark at duffell.net  Sat Dec 16 22:46:16 2023
From: mark at duffell.net (Mark)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 22:46:16 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2024 Program Committee
In-Reply-To: <CAFcm0PfqCsEQmmmRVj2f5-JyEu-tMYfMAJyoD6DtzZnmF9ADyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFcm0PfqCsEQmmmRVj2f5-JyEu-tMYfMAJyoD6DtzZnmF9ADyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADjNxcYQsRE4TpHbygUgs5VTKG01DNHGyC5yC07i+54AbYpAVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The AusNOG Program Committee is very happy to announce our 2 newest members.

Thank you to everyone who applied. The voting and decision was tough -
everyone was so extremely good.

The new committee members are;
James Di Trapani
Michael Hobl

We hope to see you at AusNOG 2024.

Regards,

Mark
on behalf of the AusNOG Program Committee

On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 11:28?AM Joe Wooller <joe at ausnog.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Ausnoggers,
>
> Reflecting on the success of AusNOG 2023, we extend our gratitude to all participants for contributing to an exceptional event. If you missed the action, catch up on the insightful presentations at https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2023/program.
>
> Looking ahead, AusNOG 2024 is set to take place in Sydney and we're thrilled to announce an opportunity for you to be part of the Program Committee. We are seeking 2 dynamic individuals who share our passion for the industry and want to play a key role in shaping AusNOG 2024.
>
> Criteria for Program Committee Members:
>
> Industry Expertise: You need to be actively involved in the industry.
> AusNOG Participation: Attend at least 2 previous AusNOG conferences.
> Membership: Sign up as an AusNOG member https://member.ausnog.net/signup/ (reach out if you encounter any issues).
> Commitment: Allocate time to assist with PC duties, including identifying compelling topics and presenters, and collaborating effectively within the team.
> Attendance: Commit to attending AusNOG 2024.
> Session Hosting: Be ready to host sessions at AusNOG 2024.
>
> Travel and Accommodation Note:
>
> All AusNOG PC members will receive a complimentary ticket to AusNOG 2024, ensuring you won't miss out on the action. However, please note that you will need to arrange your own flights and accommodation for the event.
>
> If you are enthusiastic about shaping the future of AusNOG and meet the criteria, we invite you to express your interest by reaching out off-list (program-chair at ausnog.net).
>
> Let's make AusNOG 2024 another outstanding gathering!
>
> Regards,
> Joe
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Tue Dec 19 20:59:26 2023
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:59:26 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Colo NZ
Message-ID: <CAGNmLCdf1zW_YmyWSMeHY9GQ-F1Pf8dLcZqezJ7OvkZ9Q=iXFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys

I have a need for a local server and NAS for data storage

I am after someone who can provide the following

10RU Space
2KW Power Should Do
100mbit or more of bandwidth with Unlimited Data
/31 IP Range will suffice

We would get a local IT provider to install
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From chad at cpkws.com.au  Wed Dec 20 22:07:13 2023
From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 11:07:13 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra contact
Message-ID: <ME3PR01MB68785F6F50AF49A6D6B3533EFD96A@ME3PR01MB6878.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Can someone from Telstra contact me off list please.
I've got a customer issue that needs a mail admin / network engineer to take a look at as its out of the ordinary.
Well to the extent that the normal call center staff can't deal with it.
In case you are aware of it and working on it the issue is Telstra appears to be rejecting mail from Microsoft365.


Chad Kelly
Manager
CPK Web Services
Phone 03 52730246
Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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From russell3901 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 22:33:56 2023
From: russell3901 at gmail.com (Russell Langton)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 22:33:56 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra contact
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Hi Chad,
I'll reach to you directly.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023, 10:07 pm Chad Kelly, <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Can someone from Telstra contact me off list please.
>
> I?ve got a customer issue that needs a mail admin / network engineer to
> take a look at as its out of the ordinary.
>
> Well to the extent that the normal call center staff can?t deal with it.
>
> In case you are aware of it and working on it the issue is Telstra appears
> to be rejecting mail from Microsoft365.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From brad at aulink.net  Wed Dec 20 22:49:04 2023
From: brad at aulink.net (Bradley King)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 22:49:04 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra contact
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From terry.sweetser at apnic.net  Thu Dec 21 10:03:04 2023
From: terry.sweetser at apnic.net (Terry Sweetser)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 23:03:04 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] IETF 119
Message-ID: <ME3P282MB342709AF0947602D1D0DCD3E8C96A@ME3P282MB3427.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Everyone,

https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/119/

IETF is coming to Brisbane and is hosted in March 2024 by APNIC.

https://blog.apnic.net/2023/12/20/apnic-to-be-the-local-host-for-ietf-119/
Hope to see some of our local industry attending ?
Hit me up via DM for any ideas with side-gigs or social meetings.

________________________________
Terry Sweetser
Training Delivery Manager
South Asia and Oceania
e: terry.sweetser at apnic.net<mailto:terry.sweetser at apnic.net>
p: +61 7 3858 3100
www.apnic.net<https://www.apnic.net/>
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Book time with Terry Sweetser <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/51c6c3e4cff6432ba38eae3bdd203753 at apnic.net?anonymous&ep=pcard>

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From QLe at sydneyoperahouse.com  Fri Dec 29 08:34:31 2023
From: QLe at sydneyoperahouse.com (Qui Le)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 21:34:31 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Happy New Year 2024 to Everyone
Message-ID: <SY4P282MB1785610EE7D8725F75F8CF36DC9EA@SY4P282MB1785.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>



Qui Le
Network Administrator

Sydney Opera House
Bennelong Point
GPO Box 4274 Sydney NSW 2001

T 02 9250 7171
M 0436 470 337

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