From john at mannfamily.org  Sun Apr  2 15:49:57 2023
From: john at mannfamily.org (John Mann)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2023 15:49:57 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] curious about lessons learned from your fiber rollouts?
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Dave,

[ Possibly dated information from the 2000's rollout of VERNet and AARNet ]

For <100 km (say) links, thick fibre builds and CWDM optics (one service
per pair, or passive muxes)
beats DWDM on skinny fibre.
In a pinch, circulators can be used to get the same set of frequencies
going both ways on a single core.
Watch fibre cleanliness and splices, may need attenuators on short CWDM
hops.

Try and play in the wholesale fibre market, not the retail market.
Build a thick fibre run somewhere, and pair-swap with someone to get access
somewhere else.
Leasing conduit, fibres or wavelengths is OK for short-term sites,
otherwise higher long-term costs!

Try co-operative multi-fibre build to save costs / increase coverage
https://www.aarnet.edu.au/fibre-optic-sharing-in-regional-australia-to-create-opportunities
But be careful about who owns/controls the resulting infrastructure; get an
IRU :-(

For fibre resilience, build hierarchical dual-attached rings. (Neil Clarke
VERNnet design)
CoreA <-> Hub1 <-> Hub2 <-> CoreB ; Hub1 <-> Site1 <-> Site2 ... <-> Hub2
  add more hub rings from the core; and more site rings from each hub pair.
Also helps differentiate between a broken link vs. no power at a remote
site.

And finally, look out for environmental factors like mice eating fibre
termination epoxy.
https://users.monash.edu.au/~ralphk/murine-network-engineer-03062009.jpg
from Ralph Klimek https://users.monash.edu.au/~ralphk/more3.html

Thanks,
    John

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 02:49, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am doing an AMA friday, in part about the $70B dollar USA NTIA
> broadband and BEAD programs, which are largely targetted at improving
> rural access to the internet. The target audience is one with which I
> am mostly unfamiliar, the directors of the 50 US states administering
> these programs.
>
> I am very interested about what y'all have learned about how to roll
> out fiber and fixed wireless right, in your country, so far, and what
> could be done better, in mine.
>
> Please let me know what you think here, (links to studies would be
> great, too)
>
> and/or come heckle!
>
> --
> AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht
> Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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From Bill.Walker2 at stantec.com  Mon Apr  3 09:44:59 2023
From: Bill.Walker2 at stantec.com (Walker, Bill (Christchurch))
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2023 23:44:59 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)
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References: <4d3620db-7699-7288-9b01-660c30eb922e@tncrew.com.au>
 <64beea24fced00028abd230d558ab5c70972eff2.camel@pdconsec.net>
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Hi Luke/Dave,

Happening to 3 (out of 5) tenants I manage too, along with my personal mail that uses outlook.com

Thanks,

Bill

Bill Walker | Manager, Regional Networks | Stantec | Mobile: +64 21 241 7206

From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of David Rawling
Sent: Friday, 31 March 2023 8:10 pm
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)

Hi Luke

I can confirm that we've been seeing quite a lot of this across a number of Office 365 tenants; both our own and several we manage (I'll note that I am subscribed to AusNOG from my personal account not the affected tenant).

As we're one of the affected tenants, we've been able to dig quite deeply into the behaviour - in our case, it seems to be that almost all "new" messages in a thread are successfully delivered to us, but once it becomes a reply-fest it gets junked. There's some thought that it could be related to one or more links in our signature - not that it's a particularly large or "spammy" signature, though. No SPF, DMARC or DKIM failures here. No obvious reasons it would be marked junk - the SCL is below our threshold, etc.

What's frustrating is that so far, it's only affecting some people in our tenant. I've not had the problem with messages I send and receive, but there are others where it's 90% failure. I do have a different signature file - very different formatting though it looks the same to the recipient. I was thinking that might be related, but no dice so far.

So you're not alone but we have absolutely no idea what's breaking.

Dave.

--
David Rawling - Principal Consultant
PD Consulting and Security

t: +61 41 213 5513  |  e: djr at pdconsec.net<mailto:djr at pdconsec.net>

Please note that whilst we take all care, neither PD Consulting and Security nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan for viruses. The contents are intended only for use by the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, we request that you please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material.

On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 16:55 +1100, Luke Thompson wrote:
Hi all,

Strange question though curious if anyone's seen the same.

We've had a range of clients reporting very intense junking behaviour
with M365, whether sending or receiving, if there's a M365 tenant
involved it seems to be hitting Junk for reasons that aren't clear. This
is with SPF/DKIM/DMARC/etc all passing.

I'm wondering if potentially a new policy has shipped which is
over-reaching somewhat, as no bounce-backs are being received so it's a
case of delivered-but-not. This is across a range of clients and
clients' clients.

If we'd only heard of this from a single client we'd not think much of
it, though this is both ways and across a range of tenants. Would be
good to know if there's any substance to it.

As we don't run M365 nor have responsibility for impacted tenants, the
request here is to check with the IT community. Thank you.

Cheers,
Luke

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From luke.t at tncrew.com.au  Mon Apr  3 10:25:23 2023
From: luke.t at tncrew.com.au (Luke Thompson)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:25:23 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)
In-Reply-To: <BY3PR06MB81470ADDF108A24BCFAAC2A6DE8D9@BY3PR06MB8147.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4d3620db-7699-7288-9b01-660c30eb922e@tncrew.com.au>
 <64beea24fced00028abd230d558ab5c70972eff2.camel@pdconsec.net>
 <BY3PR06MB81470ADDF108A24BCFAAC2A6DE8D9@BY3PR06MB8147.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2d8ed551-1a71-3ed4-4932-c17654fca1c8@tncrew.com.au>

Hi all,

Thanks for the consensus here, it's good to know we're not alone. It 
seems the impact is being realised by more people into this week.

We've now had clients in the health space flag this - they want links to 
official alerts acknowledging the issue at Microsoft's end.

It doesn't seem Microsoft have done so as yet. I've BCC'd a contact from 
Microsoft (from mailop) to see if they write back.

Hopefully the rulesets(?) are rolled back or modified so the impact 
abates. It's becoming quite a noisy issue now.

Cheers,
Luke

On 3/4/2023 9:44 am, Walker, Bill (Christchurch) wrote:
>
> Hi Luke/Dave,
>
> Happening to 3 (out of 5) tenants I manage too, along with my personal 
> mail that uses outlook.com
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> *Bill Walker*| Manager, Regional Networks | Stantec | Mobile: +64 21 
> 241 7206
>
> *From:*AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *David 
> Rawling
> *Sent:* Friday, 31 March 2023 8:10 pm
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)
>
> Hi Luke
>
> I can confirm that we've been seeing quite a lot of this across a 
> number of Office 365 tenants; both our own and several we manage (I'll 
> note that I am subscribed to AusNOG from my personal account not the 
> affected tenant).
>
> As we're one of the affected tenants, we've been able to dig quite 
> deeply into the behaviour - in our case, it seems to be that almost 
> all "new" messages in a thread are successfully delivered to us, but 
> once it becomes a reply-fest it gets junked. There's some thought that 
> it could be related to one or more links in our signature - not that 
> it's a particularly large or "spammy" signature, though. No SPF, DMARC 
> or DKIM failures here. No obvious reasons it would be marked junk - 
> the SCL is below our threshold, etc.
>
> What's frustrating is that so far, it's only affecting some people in 
> our tenant. I've not had the problem with messages I send and receive, 
> but there are others where it's 90% failure. I do have a different 
> signature file - very different formatting though it looks the same to 
> the recipient. I was thinking that might be related, but no dice so far.
>
> So you're not alone but we have absolutely no idea what's breaking.
>
> Dave.
>
> -- 
>
> David Rawling - Principal Consultant
> PD Consulting and Security
>
> t: +61 41 213 5513? |? e: djr at pdconsec.net <mailto:djr at pdconsec.net>
>
> Please note that whilst we take all care, neither PD Consulting and 
> Security nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it 
> is your responsibility to scan for viruses. The contents are intended 
> only for use by the addressee and may contain confidential and/or 
> privileged material. If you received this in error, we request that 
> you please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete 
> the material.
>
> On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 16:55 +1100, Luke Thompson wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     Strange question though curious if anyone's seen the same.
>
>     We've had a range of clients reporting very intense junking behaviour
>
>     with M365, whether sending or receiving, if there's a M365 tenant
>
>     involved it seems to be hitting Junk for reasons that aren't
>     clear. This
>
>     is with SPF/DKIM/DMARC/etc all passing.
>
>     I'm wondering if potentially a new policy has shipped which is
>
>     over-reaching somewhat, as no bounce-backs are being received so
>     it's a
>
>     case of delivered-but-not. This is across a range of clients and
>
>     clients' clients.
>
>     If we'd only heard of this from a single client we'd not think
>     much of
>
>     it, though this is both ways and across a range of tenants. Would be
>
>     good to know if there's any substance to it.
>
>     As we don't run M365 nor have responsibility for impacted tenants,
>     the
>
>     request here is to check with the IT community. Thank you.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Luke
>
>     _______________________________________________
>
>     AusNOG mailing list
>
>     AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>
>     https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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>
> *?Caution:*This email originated from outside of Stantec. Please take 
> extra precaution.
>
> *?Attention:*Ce courriel provient de l'ext?rieur de Stantec. Veuillez 
> prendre des pr?cautions suppl?mentaires.
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Mon Apr  3 11:27:45 2023
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 09:27:45 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)
In-Reply-To: <2d8ed551-1a71-3ed4-4932-c17654fca1c8@tncrew.com.au>
References: <4d3620db-7699-7288-9b01-660c30eb922e@tncrew.com.au>
 <64beea24fced00028abd230d558ab5c70972eff2.camel@pdconsec.net>
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 <2d8ed551-1a71-3ed4-4932-c17654fca1c8@tncrew.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAGNmLCdEmV0-H_mHOkeTND9kWKNz8oYMAeNYjuwTQrDSdJfM-A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Yes we are noticing odd things
Like the first post. Send emails back and forward then bang gets marked as
spam and goes to junk mail or gets quarantined




On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 8:25?AM Luke Thompson <luke.t at tncrew.com.au> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the consensus here, it's good to know we're not alone. It seems
> the impact is being realised by more people into this week.
>
> We've now had clients in the health space flag this - they want links to
> official alerts acknowledging the issue at Microsoft's end.
>
> It doesn't seem Microsoft have done so as yet. I've BCC'd a contact from
> Microsoft (from mailop) to see if they write back.
>
> Hopefully the rulesets(?) are rolled back or modified so the impact
> abates. It's becoming quite a noisy issue now.
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
> On 3/4/2023 9:44 am, Walker, Bill (Christchurch) wrote:
>
> Hi Luke/Dave,
>
>
>
> Happening to 3 (out of 5) tenants I manage too, along with my personal
> mail that uses outlook.com
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *Bill Walker* | Manager, Regional Networks | Stantec | Mobile: +64 21 241
> 7206
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>
> <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *David Rawling
> *Sent:* Friday, 31 March 2023 8:10 pm
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)
>
>
>
> Hi Luke
>
>
>
> I can confirm that we've been seeing quite a lot of this across a number
> of Office 365 tenants; both our own and several we manage (I'll note that I
> am subscribed to AusNOG from my personal account not the affected tenant).
>
>
>
> As we're one of the affected tenants, we've been able to dig quite deeply
> into the behaviour - in our case, it seems to be that almost all "new"
> messages in a thread are successfully delivered to us, but once it becomes
> a reply-fest it gets junked. There's some thought that it could be related
> to one or more links in our signature - not that it's a particularly large
> or "spammy" signature, though. No SPF, DMARC or DKIM failures here. No
> obvious reasons it would be marked junk - the SCL is below our threshold,
> etc.
>
>
>
> What's frustrating is that so far, it's only affecting some people in our
> tenant. I've not had the problem with messages I send and receive, but
> there are others where it's 90% failure. I do have a different signature
> file - very different formatting though it looks the same to the recipient.
> I was thinking that might be related, but no dice so far.
>
>
>
> So you're not alone but we have absolutely no idea what's breaking.
>
>
>
> Dave.
>
> --
>
> David Rawling - Principal Consultant
> PD Consulting and Security
>
> t: +61 41 213 5513  |  e: djr at pdconsec.net
>
> Please note that whilst we take all care, neither PD Consulting and
> Security nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is
> your responsibility to scan for viruses. The contents are intended only for
> use by the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. If you received this in error, we request that you please inform
> the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 16:55 +1100, Luke Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Strange question though curious if anyone's seen the same.
>
>
>
> We've had a range of clients reporting very intense junking behaviour
>
> with M365, whether sending or receiving, if there's a M365 tenant
>
> involved it seems to be hitting Junk for reasons that aren't clear. This
>
> is with SPF/DKIM/DMARC/etc all passing.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if potentially a new policy has shipped which is
>
> over-reaching somewhat, as no bounce-backs are being received so it's a
>
> case of delivered-but-not. This is across a range of clients and
>
> clients' clients.
>
>
>
> If we'd only heard of this from a single client we'd not think much of
>
> it, though this is both ways and across a range of tenants. Would be
>
> good to know if there's any substance to it.
>
>
>
> As we don't run M365 nor have responsibility for impacted tenants, the
>
> request here is to check with the IT community. Thank you.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luke
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> AusNOG mailing list
>
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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>
> * Caution:* This email originated from outside of Stantec. Please take
> extra precaution.
>
> * Attention:* Ce courriel provient de l'ext?rieur de Stantec. Veuillez
> prendre des pr?cautions suppl?mentaires.
>
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From mmc at mmc.com.au  Mon Apr  3 12:34:01 2023
From: mmc at mmc.com.au (Matthew Moyle-Croft)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 12:04:01 +0930
Subject: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)
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I note that O365 marks Amazon Peering emails as phishing which seems pretty
anti-competitive to me :)

On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 10:58?AM Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Yes we are noticing odd things
> Like the first post. Send emails back and forward then bang gets marked as
> spam and goes to junk mail or gets quarantined
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 8:25?AM Luke Thompson <luke.t at tncrew.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks for the consensus here, it's good to know we're not alone. It
>> seems the impact is being realised by more people into this week.
>>
>> We've now had clients in the health space flag this - they want links to
>> official alerts acknowledging the issue at Microsoft's end.
>>
>> It doesn't seem Microsoft have done so as yet. I've BCC'd a contact from
>> Microsoft (from mailop) to see if they write back.
>>
>> Hopefully the rulesets(?) are rolled back or modified so the impact
>> abates. It's becoming quite a noisy issue now.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luke
>> On 3/4/2023 9:44 am, Walker, Bill (Christchurch) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Luke/Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> Happening to 3 (out of 5) tenants I manage too, along with my personal
>> mail that uses outlook.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *Bill Walker* | Manager, Regional Networks | Stantec | Mobile: +64 21
>> 241 7206
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>
>> <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *David Rawling
>> *Sent:* Friday, 31 March 2023 8:10 pm
>> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Luke
>>
>>
>>
>> I can confirm that we've been seeing quite a lot of this across a number
>> of Office 365 tenants; both our own and several we manage (I'll note that I
>> am subscribed to AusNOG from my personal account not the affected tenant).
>>
>>
>>
>> As we're one of the affected tenants, we've been able to dig quite deeply
>> into the behaviour - in our case, it seems to be that almost all "new"
>> messages in a thread are successfully delivered to us, but once it becomes
>> a reply-fest it gets junked. There's some thought that it could be related
>> to one or more links in our signature - not that it's a particularly large
>> or "spammy" signature, though. No SPF, DMARC or DKIM failures here. No
>> obvious reasons it would be marked junk - the SCL is below our threshold,
>> etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> What's frustrating is that so far, it's only affecting some people in our
>> tenant. I've not had the problem with messages I send and receive, but
>> there are others where it's 90% failure. I do have a different signature
>> file - very different formatting though it looks the same to the recipient.
>> I was thinking that might be related, but no dice so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> So you're not alone but we have absolutely no idea what's breaking.
>>
>>
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>> Dave.
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>>
>>
>> Strange question though curious if anyone's seen the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> We've had a range of clients reporting very intense junking behaviour
>>
>> with M365, whether sending or receiving, if there's a M365 tenant
>>
>> involved it seems to be hitting Junk for reasons that aren't clear. This
>>
>> is with SPF/DKIM/DMARC/etc all passing.
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>> I'm wondering if potentially a new policy has shipped which is
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>> over-reaching somewhat, as no bounce-backs are being received so it's a
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>> clients' clients.
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>> If we'd only heard of this from a single client we'd not think much of
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From m.desouza at mvoice.com.au  Mon Apr  3 13:48:08 2023
From: m.desouza at mvoice.com.au (Mark De Souza)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 13:48:08 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Packet loss between Verizon(Alter.net) and TPG/AAPT
Message-ID: <7615C084-29DE-4A1A-B516-F295EABD8A64@mvoice.com.au>

Hi Noggers,

Anyone else experiencing severe packet loss between Verizon(Alter.net) and AAPT / TPG hosts?

Seems like the main point of loss is at gi1-15-3025.sclardist01.aapt.net.au<http://gi1-15-3025.sclardist01.aapt.net.au> which has around 70-90% loss.

Kind Regards,
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From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Apr  3 16:24:16 2023
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:24:16 +0800 (AWST)
Subject: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)
In-Reply-To: <2d8ed551-1a71-3ed4-4932-c17654fca1c8@tncrew.com.au>
References: <4d3620db-7699-7288-9b01-660c30eb922e@tncrew.com.au>
 <64beea24fced00028abd230d558ab5c70972eff2.camel@pdconsec.net>
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Message-ID: <8492e9a0-bf24-f2d1-9ae4-7a685277eaa2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023, Luke Thompson wrote:

> Thanks for the consensus here, it's good to know we're not alone. It seems the impact is being realised by more people into this
> week.
> 
> We've now had clients in the health space flag this - they want links to official alerts acknowledging the issue at Microsoft's
> end.
> 
> It doesn't seem Microsoft have done so as yet. I've BCC'd a contact from Microsoft (from mailop) to see if they write back.
> 
> Hopefully the rulesets(?) are rolled back or modified so the impact abates. It's becoming quite a noisy issue now.

There was definitely an issue last few weeks which Microsoft recognised as 
EX530821 but they claim it's resolved as of 23 March. We didn't see it or 
get the message in our tenant but there were plenty that did:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Office365/comments/11sb976/massive_spike_in_quarantined_messagesjunk_folder/

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618887101911662592/1088285269721088032/image.png


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From isaac.lo at net360.com.au  Tue Apr  4 09:26:37 2023
From: isaac.lo at net360.com.au (Isaac Lo)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 23:26:37 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] EXTERNAL: Re: Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2
	weeks)
In-Reply-To: <8492e9a0-bf24-f2d1-9ae4-7a685277eaa2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <4d3620db-7699-7288-9b01-660c30eb922e@tncrew.com.au>
 <64beea24fced00028abd230d558ab5c70972eff2.camel@pdconsec.net>
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There is another service health id EX534197 that they have mentioned has also been resolved late last week.

But I believe its still possible an issue, we are still getting complaints.


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Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 4:24 PM
To: Luke Thompson <luke.t at tncrew.com.au>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [AusNOG] Microsoft 365 - Junk Policy (last 2 weeks)

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023, Luke Thompson wrote:

> Thanks for the consensus here, it's good to know we're not alone. It 
> seems the impact is being realised by more people into this week.
> 
> We've now had clients in the health space flag this - they want links 
> to official alerts acknowledging the issue at Microsoft's end.
> 
> It doesn't seem Microsoft have done so as yet. I've BCC'd a contact from Microsoft (from mailop) to see if they write back.
> 
> Hopefully the rulesets(?) are rolled back or modified so the impact abates. It's becoming quite a noisy issue now.

There was definitely an issue last few weeks which Microsoft recognised as
EX530821 but they claim it's resolved as of 23 March. We didn't see it or get the message in our tenant but there were plenty that did:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Office365/comments/11sb976/massive_spike_in_quarantined_messagesjunk_folder/

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618887101911662592/1088285269721088032/image.png


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From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Wed Apr  5 10:04:18 2023
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 10:04:18 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?
Message-ID: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey noggers

Anyone see issues with Optus between 23:00 and 23:30 4 April.

I've only got sketchy details - I'm on leave, and as always happens daring
to take a holiday results in issues - but apparently we saw a massive drop
in traffic (85% drop in inbound traffic) but no loss of BGP sessions - only
5-10 minutes of major drop in traffic.

Can't see anything in my logs that indicates local failures - and I'm not
confident of getting anything out of Optus if past experience is any
indication.

Anyone else see anything with Optus links around that time?

Thanks

D
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From ltd at interlink.com.au  Wed Apr  5 10:57:31 2023
From: ltd at interlink.com.au (Lincoln Dale)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 10:57:31 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?
In-Reply-To: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAUJCVOSbiucrSQCL9gR8y8xmAjt3LNBx7Qc98_VAXGhc6BjMw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:05?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone see issues with Optus between 23:00 and 23:30 4 April.
> I've only got sketchy details - I'm on leave, and as always happens daring
> to take a holiday results in issues - but apparently we saw a massive drop
> in traffic (85% drop in inbound traffic) but no loss of BGP sessions - only
> 5-10 minutes of major drop in traffic.
>
> Can't see anything in my logs that indicates local failures - and I'm not
> confident of getting anything out of Optus if past experience is any
> indication.
> Anyone else see anything with Optus links around that time?
>

It's a little hard to be specific when your question is broad, but no, no
availability drop during that time (assuming your times are based on AEST).
Have seen them withdraw about 800 prefixes in the last hour.
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From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Wed Apr  5 11:00:10 2023
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 11:00:10 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?
In-Reply-To: <CAAUJCVOSbiucrSQCL9gR8y8xmAjt3LNBx7Qc98_VAXGhc6BjMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAUJCVOSbiucrSQCL9gR8y8xmAjt3LNBx7Qc98_VAXGhc6BjMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMpV8MpU-r9XStxkvZDLohW1ysS5YkZCyHKHz2n_SPvvCPQFtA@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I know - it's really vague and makes it damn hard to try and answer
the screaming "what happened?" from execs.

Thanks anyway

D

On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, 10:57 am Lincoln Dale, <ltd at interlink.com.au> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:05?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone see issues with Optus between 23:00 and 23:30 4 April.
>> I've only got sketchy details - I'm on leave, and as always happens
>> daring to take a holiday results in issues - but apparently we saw a
>> massive drop in traffic (85% drop in inbound traffic) but no loss of BGP
>> sessions - only 5-10 minutes of major drop in traffic.
>>
>> Can't see anything in my logs that indicates local failures - and I'm not
>> confident of getting anything out of Optus if past experience is any
>> indication.
>> Anyone else see anything with Optus links around that time?
>>
>
> It's a little hard to be specific when your question is broad, but no, no
> availability drop during that time (assuming your times are based on AEST).
> Have seen them withdraw about 800 prefixes in the last hour.
>
>
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Wed Apr  5 12:18:54 2023
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 10:18:54 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?
In-Reply-To: <CAMpV8MpU-r9XStxkvZDLohW1ysS5YkZCyHKHz2n_SPvvCPQFtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAUJCVOSbiucrSQCL9gR8y8xmAjt3LNBx7Qc98_VAXGhc6BjMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGNmLCf9H7vWsgyEymRO43d4o_e3KSVhhWR4L580jUT55JC6Lw@mail.gmail.com>

To make matters worse it appears to be some Telstra mobile issues in Perth
:)



On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 9:00?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I know - it's really vague and makes it damn hard to try and answer
> the screaming "what happened?" from execs.
>
> Thanks anyway
>
> D
>
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, 10:57 am Lincoln Dale, <ltd at interlink.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:05?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone see issues with Optus between 23:00 and 23:30 4 April.
>>> I've only got sketchy details - I'm on leave, and as always happens
>>> daring to take a holiday results in issues - but apparently we saw a
>>> massive drop in traffic (85% drop in inbound traffic) but no loss of BGP
>>> sessions - only 5-10 minutes of major drop in traffic.
>>>
>>> Can't see anything in my logs that indicates local failures - and I'm
>>> not confident of getting anything out of Optus if past experience is any
>>> indication.
>>> Anyone else see anything with Optus links around that time?
>>>
>>
>> It's a little hard to be specific when your question is broad, but no, no
>> availability drop during that time (assuming your times are based on AEST).
>> Have seen them withdraw about 800 prefixes in the last hour.
>>
>>
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Wed Apr  5 12:32:04 2023
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 02:32:04 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?
In-Reply-To: <CAGNmLCf9H7vWsgyEymRO43d4o_e3KSVhhWR4L580jUT55JC6Lw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <SYBP282MB25254904838D132D910C6BD5DB909@SYBP282MB2525.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Not just Perth, I just saw about 270 Telstra services in Brisbane all drop off our SDN over the last 30 minutes.

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General Manager

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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Bradley Amm
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 12:19 PM
To: DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?

To make matters worse it appears to be some Telstra mobile issues in Perth :)



On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 9:00?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com<mailto:dazzagibbs at gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah, I know - it's really vague and makes it damn hard to try and answer the screaming "what happened?" from execs.

Thanks anyway

D

On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, 10:57 am Lincoln Dale, <ltd at interlink.com.au<mailto:ltd at interlink.com.au>> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:05?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com<mailto:dazzagibbs at gmail.com>> wrote:
Anyone see issues with Optus between 23:00 and 23:30 4 April.
I've only got sketchy details - I'm on leave, and as always happens daring to take a holiday results in issues - but apparently we saw a massive drop in traffic (85% drop in inbound traffic) but no loss of BGP sessions - only 5-10 minutes of major drop in traffic.

Can't see anything in my logs that indicates local failures - and I'm not confident of getting anything out of Optus if past experience is any indication.
Anyone else see anything with Optus links around that time?

It's a little hard to be specific when your question is broad, but no, no availability drop during that time (assuming your times are based on AEST).
Have seen them withdraw about 800 prefixes in the last hour.

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From matt at spiderwebsolutions.com.au  Wed Apr  5 12:41:07 2023
From: matt at spiderwebsolutions.com.au (Matt Hare)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 10:41:07 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?
In-Reply-To: <SYBP282MB25254904838D132D910C6BD5DB909@SYBP282MB2525.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACw7bAEyakx43EsKwemh=gaRh9ydTNxpf+bnCs63z0SUwWKXOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Similarly saw a few of our Telstra sites drop offline and a few Teltonikas
with a Telstra SIM start reporting network registration disconnected events
followed by WCDMA rather than LTE connectivity. It appears to have been
stable the last 20 minutes now though.
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From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  5 12:52:03 2023
From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 10:52:03 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?
In-Reply-To: <CAGNmLCf9H7vWsgyEymRO43d4o_e3KSVhhWR4L580jUT55JC6Lw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKZcER4ZEmkurWCOsKa2NvJrvYzSrio0sFVa9D-TVGWR15yTag@mail.gmail.com>

Can confirm 10 Services so far going into SOS Mode Here in Perth this
morning. 10:22AM


On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:19?AM Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:

> To make matters worse it appears to be some Telstra mobile issues in Perth
> :)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 9:00?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I know - it's really vague and makes it damn hard to try and answer
>> the screaming "what happened?" from execs.
>>
>> Thanks anyway
>>
>> D
>>
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, 10:57 am Lincoln Dale, <ltd at interlink.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:05?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone see issues with Optus between 23:00 and 23:30 4 April.
>>>> I've only got sketchy details - I'm on leave, and as always happens
>>>> daring to take a holiday results in issues - but apparently we saw a
>>>> massive drop in traffic (85% drop in inbound traffic) but no loss of BGP
>>>> sessions - only 5-10 minutes of major drop in traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Can't see anything in my logs that indicates local failures - and I'm
>>>> not confident of getting anything out of Optus if past experience is any
>>>> indication.
>>>> Anyone else see anything with Optus links around that time?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a little hard to be specific when your question is broad, but no,
>>> no availability drop during that time (assuming your times are based on
>>> AEST).
>>> Have seen them withdraw about 800 prefixes in the last hour.
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  5 12:53:50 2023
From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 10:53:50 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus issues 4 April?
In-Reply-To: <CAKZcER4ZEmkurWCOsKa2NvJrvYzSrio0sFVa9D-TVGWR15yTag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpV8MpuEBFy+EJP_DsmpJ2cOtG-tyb17K7YLoeZ9p8wXEKz9g@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAKZcER4ZEmkurWCOsKa2NvJrvYzSrio0sFVa9D-TVGWR15yTag@mail.gmail.com>
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(Telstra)

On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:52?AM Mitch Kelly <mitchkelly24 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can confirm 10 Services so far going into SOS Mode Here in Perth this
> morning. 10:22AM
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:19?AM Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>
>> To make matters worse it appears to be some Telstra mobile issues in
>> Perth :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 9:00?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I know - it's really vague and makes it damn hard to try and
>>> answer the screaming "what happened?" from execs.
>>>
>>> Thanks anyway
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, 10:57 am Lincoln Dale, <ltd at interlink.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 10:05?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone see issues with Optus between 23:00 and 23:30 4 April.
>>>>> I've only got sketchy details - I'm on leave, and as always happens
>>>>> daring to take a holiday results in issues - but apparently we saw a
>>>>> massive drop in traffic (85% drop in inbound traffic) but no loss of BGP
>>>>> sessions - only 5-10 minutes of major drop in traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't see anything in my logs that indicates local failures - and I'm
>>>>> not confident of getting anything out of Optus if past experience is any
>>>>> indication.
>>>>> Anyone else see anything with Optus links around that time?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a little hard to be specific when your question is broad, but no,
>>>> no availability drop during that time (assuming your times are based on
>>>> AEST).
>>>> Have seen them withdraw about 800 prefixes in the last hour.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From terry.sweetser at apnic.net  Thu Apr  6 14:38:04 2023
From: terry.sweetser at apnic.net (Terry Sweetser)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 04:38:04 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Need help with RPKI/ROA Coverage? Upcoming In person event
 in Australia.
In-Reply-To: <ME3P282MB34278CA8CCEF761AF688ECB48C919@ME3P282MB3427.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <168074915132.1571.3013533975250008678@comunity-community-7b694d874f-f2c86>
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Need help with RPKI/ROA Coverage? Upcoming In person event in Australia.

Two upcoming face-to-face RPKI/ROA tutorials in the month of April.

This tutorial will look at current route filtering tools/techniques, how RPKI is just a piece in the puzzle, and what we should do to secure the internet routing.

19 April 2023 - RPKI/ROV Tutorial Australia (Adelaide)
https://academy.apnic.net/events?id=a0B2e000000dJuUEAU

20 April 2023 - RPKI/ROV Tutorial Australia (Melbourne)
https://academy.apnic.net/events?id=a0B2e000000dGmvEAE

We looking forward to seeing you at the event!

Terry
tcs at apnic.net


From g2x at juliet.emu.st  Fri Apr  7 09:20:06 2023
From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 23:20:06 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Reputable ipv4 brokers?
Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1680823206.337-0x83eeee@qmda.emu.st>

Sorry if this has been asked before. Can anyone recommend a trustworthy broker who deals
in APNIC resources? I've not dealt with them before and I've heard that some can be dodgy.


Mark.

From tony at wicks.co.nz  Fri Apr  7 10:13:23 2023
From: tony at wicks.co.nz (Tony Wicks)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 12:13:23 +1200
Subject: [AusNOG] Reputable ipv4 brokers?
In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1680823206.337-0x83eeee@qmda.emu.st>
References: <0.2.0-final-1680823206.337-0x83eeee@qmda.emu.st>
Message-ID: <000801d968e5$c5efb200$51cf1600$@wicks.co.nz>

I've used Eddie several times without any issues.

cheers


Eddie Stauble

eddie at iptrading.com
855-IPTRADE (855-478-7233) Ext 107  Direct: 754-227-8423

  

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Mark Delany
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 11:20 AM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] Reputable ipv4 brokers?

Sorry if this has been asked before. Can anyone recommend a trustworthy
broker who deals in APNIC resources? I've not dealt with them before and
I've heard that some can be dodgy.


Mark.
_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog


From spoofer-info at caida.org  Sun Apr  9 03:00:13 2023
From: spoofer-info at caida.org (CAIDA Spoofer Project)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 10:00:13 -0700
Subject: [AusNOG] Spoofer Report for AusNOG for Mar 2023
Message-ID: <1680973213.107426.11675.nullmailer@caida.org>

In response to feedback from operational security communities,
CAIDA's source address validation measurement project
(https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly
reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which
we received packets with a spoofed source address.
We are publishing these reports to network and security operations
lists in order to ensure this information reaches operational
contacts in these ASes.

This report summarises tests conducted within aus.

Inferred improvements during Mar 2023:
 none inferred

Source Address Validation issues inferred during Mar 2023:
ASN    Name                           First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed
24555  APRICOT-APNIC-ASN                 2017-02-26   2023-03-02
4826   VOCUS-BACKBONE                    2018-03-07   2023-03-31
132458 PENTANET                          2022-12-08   2023-03-31

Further information for these tests where we received spoofed
packets is available at:
https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus&no_block=1

Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-info at caida.org

From narellec at gmail.com  Tue Apr 11 13:02:48 2023
From: narellec at gmail.com (Narelle Clark)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:02:48 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] RPKI Training event in Adelaide
Message-ID: <CACRMD1Gzy2E=mYw4e8REo+x_9+y-r=R3UYZVhw8JH4f+VNd=eA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone in Adelaide
APNIC are holding RPKI training next Wednesday 19 April
<https://internet.asn.au/events/calling-adelaide/>, and IAA will be holding
a social event to follow it.

There are still some free registrations left for the APNIC tutorial under
our partnership agreement, so IAA members should register asap! Otherwise
the cost is a mere $40 APNIC Member (plus GST) or $80 Standard (plus GST).

See: https://internet.asn.au/events/calling-adelaide/

Our shiny new IRR Explorer tool <https://irr.internet.asn.au/> tells us a
few of you still aren't quite on top of RPKI so it might be a Good Idea to
attend.

-- 


Narelle Clark
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From g2x at juliet.emu.st  Tue Apr 11 18:46:52 2023
From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 08:46:52 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Reputable ipv4 brokers?
In-Reply-To: <AM8P190MB0929228A8AD4214E2A03B0A7A2969@AM8P190MB0929.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <0.2.0-final-1680823206.337-0x83eeee@qmda.emu.st>
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Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1681202812.992-0x2b10f1@qmda.emu.st>

Thanks to those who replied. Folks here have offered a number of contacts and I'm now
working with one of them. I'll report back at the end of the process for general
consumption.


Mark.

From ttdykes at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 21:45:45 2023
From: ttdykes at gmail.com (Tim Dykes)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 21:45:45 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
Message-ID: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>

Noticing some pretty major outages across Tamworth for multiple fixed &
celular Telstra/Optus/NBN service types. Anyone have any further details?


Regards,

Tim Dykes
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Wed Apr 12 23:36:16 2023
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 21:36:16 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
In-Reply-To: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6037B605-E86D-408D-9140-2CDC7E336B27@bradleyamm.com>

On Vocus outage 

There is currently one outage affecting the Vocus Network

Significant service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW.

12/04/2023 19:48 AEST - Please be advised of a service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW. Our T3 teams have been engaged to investigate and identify the cause of the disruption. An ETR will be provided once our initial investigation is complete. Further updates will be provided within the next 2 hours.
12/04/2023 20:10 AEST - Power issue has been identified in our third-party provider's network. Their exchange has lost power and back-up generator has also failed. No ETR at this stage. We will provide further update as they become available. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Apr 2023, at 7:46 pm, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Noticing some pretty major outages across Tamworth for multiple fixed & celular Telstra/Optus/NBN service types. Anyone have any further details?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tim Dykes
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From dave.taht at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 02:22:07 2023
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:22:07 -0700
Subject: [AusNOG] curious about lessons learned from your fiber rollouts?
In-Reply-To: <CAKV=z68h7kFU7QD4Ay=C_cdLczk2jSbtx0iOTo3zfJaUijO-aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA93jw5osqhLG3FxOc6EyHcaTgEi1mS1bdS7HEDVSYyWPkb7rg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAA93jw4SyTSLU2yttvqbUHj6w9M911N6ADMez33P6CjnLkOWyg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all for sharing your expertise here. I have been in multiple
discussions around the world of late regarding the USA BEAD rollouts,
and trying to get a grip on the state of present technology and the
future has been hard for this old farte. All I cared about, until
recently, was to see various bufferbloat-related fixes roll out
worldwide, although cpe security issues have been bugging me a lot.
(for a cynical take on it, see me channeling a BOFH
here:http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/trouble_in_paradise/ )

I am told that 10Gbit active fiber optics can be had for 2 us dollars
nowadays, which is pretty mindboggling, and that sweet spot for the
future is not just at 100Gbit, but in 400nz, which can run 120km,
except that BGP cannot keep up. Scion seems like an option...

At the top of my list of questions are things like typical IPv4
oversubscription in CGNATs. I have heard that 8x1 is fairly common.

Similarly, any other observable benefits to IPv6 rollouts. In my
personal case, about 6 years back, I had observed udp ports held open
decrease at one site from 18000 or so, to about 5000, just by
switching to dns over ipv6. I imagine that benefit has declined with
the rise of 8.8.8.8, etc.

is MPLS still a thing? PPPoe?

And so on.

On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 10:50?PM John Mann <john at mannfamily.org> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> [ Possibly dated information from the 2000's rollout of VERNet and AARNet ]
>
> For <100 km (say) links, thick fibre builds and CWDM optics (one service per pair, or passive muxes)
> beats DWDM on skinny fibre.
> In a pinch, circulators can be used to get the same set of frequencies going both ways on a single core.
> Watch fibre cleanliness and splices, may need attenuators on short CWDM hops.
>
> Try and play in the wholesale fibre market, not the retail market.
> Build a thick fibre run somewhere, and pair-swap with someone to get access somewhere else.
> Leasing conduit, fibres or wavelengths is OK for short-term sites, otherwise higher long-term costs!
>
> Try co-operative multi-fibre build to save costs / increase coverage
> https://www.aarnet.edu.au/fibre-optic-sharing-in-regional-australia-to-create-opportunities
> But be careful about who owns/controls the resulting infrastructure; get an IRU :-(
>
> For fibre resilience, build hierarchical dual-attached rings. (Neil Clarke VERNnet design)
> CoreA <-> Hub1 <-> Hub2 <-> CoreB ; Hub1 <-> Site1 <-> Site2 ... <-> Hub2
>   add more hub rings from the core; and more site rings from each hub pair.
> Also helps differentiate between a broken link vs. no power at a remote site.
>
> And finally, look out for environmental factors like mice eating fibre termination epoxy.
> https://users.monash.edu.au/~ralphk/murine-network-engineer-03062009.jpg
> from Ralph Klimek https://users.monash.edu.au/~ralphk/more3.html
>
> Thanks,
>     John
>
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 02:49, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am doing an AMA friday, in part about the $70B dollar USA NTIA
>> broadband and BEAD programs, which are largely targetted at improving
>> rural access to the internet. The target audience is one with which I
>> am mostly unfamiliar, the directors of the 50 US states administering
>> these programs.
>>
>> I am very interested about what y'all have learned about how to roll
>> out fiber and fixed wireless right, in your country, so far, and what
>> could be done better, in mine.
>>
>> Please let me know what you think here, (links to studies would be
>> great, too)
>>
>> and/or come heckle!
>>
>> --
>> AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht
>> Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusNOG mailing list
>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog



-- 
AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht
Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC

From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Thu Apr 13 02:32:42 2023
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 16:32:42 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
In-Reply-To: <6037B605-E86D-408D-9140-2CDC7E336B27@bradleyamm.com>
References: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6037B605-E86D-408D-9140-2CDC7E336B27@bradleyamm.com>
Message-ID: <MEYP282MB25204B347C7975C82B33D765DB9B9@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Seeing this too off Vocus?s network?.. Still down too!

Nathan Brookfield | VK2NAB
General Manager

p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008
e: Nathan.brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.brookfield at iperium.com.au> | w: iperium.com.au

Suite 4.02, 189 Kent Street Sydney NSW 2000
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Your Telco Team
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WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.

From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Bradley Amm
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 11:36 PM
To: Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage

On Vocus outage

There is currently one outage affecting the Vocus Network

Significant service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW.

12/04/2023 19:48 AEST - Please be advised of a service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW. Our T3 teams have been engaged to investigate and identify the cause of the disruption. An ETR will be provided once our initial investigation is complete. Further updates will be provided within the next 2 hours.
12/04/2023 20:10 AEST - Power issue has been identified in our third-party provider's network. Their exchange has lost power and back-up generator has also failed. No ETR at this stage. We will provide further update as they become available.
Sent from my iPhone


On 12 Apr 2023, at 7:46 pm, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com<mailto:ttdykes at gmail.com>> wrote:
?
Noticing some pretty major outages across Tamworth for multiple fixed & celular Telstra/Optus/NBN service types. Anyone have any further details?


Regards,

Tim Dykes
_______________________________________________
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From ttdykes at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 07:21:29 2023
From: ttdykes at gmail.com (Tim Dykes)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:21:29 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
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References: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>
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We were back online at about 21:50 last night

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, 2:32 am Nathan Brookfield, <
Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:

> Seeing this too off Vocus?s network?.. Still down too!
>
>
>
>
> *Nathan Brookfield | VK2NAB *General Manager
>
> *p*: 1300 592 330 | *m*: 0412 266 008
> *e*: Nathan.brookfield at iperium.com.au | *w*: iperium.com.au
>
> Suite 4.02, 189 Kent Street Sydney NSW 2000
>
>
> *Your Telco Team*
>
> DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This
> electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto,
> contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and
> otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual
> property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the
> information contained in this document, by any person other than the
> addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error,
> please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any
> computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by
> reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are
> solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of
> Iperium.
>
> WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient
> should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses.
> Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted
> by this email.
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *Bradley
> Amm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2023 11:36 PM
> *To:* Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
>
>
>
> On Vocus outage
>
>
>
> There is currently one outage affecting the Vocus Network
>
> *Significant service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located
> in Tamworth, NSW.*
>
> *12/04/2023 19:48 AEST* - Please be advised of a service disruption
> affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW. Our T3 teams
> have been engaged to investigate and identify the cause of the disruption.
> An ETR will be provided once our initial investigation is complete. Further
> updates will be provided within the next 2 hours.
> *12/04/2023 20:10 AEST* - Power issue has been identified in our
> third-party provider's network. Their exchange has lost power and back-up
> generator has also failed. No ETR at this stage. We will provide further
> update as they become available.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On 12 Apr 2023, at 7:46 pm, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Noticing some pretty major outages across Tamworth for multiple fixed &
> celular Telstra/Optus/NBN service types. Anyone have any further details?
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Tim Dykes
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 07:57:31 2023
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 07:57:31 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
In-Reply-To: <6037B605-E86D-408D-9140-2CDC7E336B27@bradleyamm.com>
References: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6037B605-E86D-408D-9140-2CDC7E336B27@bradleyamm.com>
Message-ID: <CAMpV8MpEz2BcZb2CwT_6GLtYQXfCWBD=FOej5fUP-eMzR9EQCA@mail.gmail.com>

I guess the days of exchanges being built with enough
battery/generator backup *and being regularly tested* went away at
some point in the past.Probably when the focus of our lives moved from
POTS to being all IP, but likely before that.

While it's probably not fair to blame Vocus for this one - being it's
a third party exchange (hi Telstra!), there should definitely be more
focus on risk management in regard to power on critical infrastructure
than there is.

D

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 23:36, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>
> On Vocus outage
>
> There is currently one outage affecting the Vocus Network
>
> Significant service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW.
>
> 12/04/2023 19:48 AEST - Please be advised of a service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW. Our T3 teams have been engaged to investigate and identify the cause of the disruption. An ETR will be provided once our initial investigation is complete. Further updates will be provided within the next 2 hours.
> 12/04/2023 20:10 AEST - Power issue has been identified in our third-party provider's network. Their exchange has lost power and back-up generator has also failed. No ETR at this stage. We will provide further update as they become available.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12 Apr 2023, at 7:46 pm, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Noticing some pretty major outages across Tamworth for multiple fixed & celular Telstra/Optus/NBN service types. Anyone have any further details?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Dykes
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog



-- 
veg?e?tar?i?an:
Ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride

From ttdykes at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 08:43:42 2023
From: ttdykes at gmail.com (Tim Dykes)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 08:43:42 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
In-Reply-To: <CAMpV8MpEz2BcZb2CwT_6GLtYQXfCWBD=FOej5fUP-eMzR9EQCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6037B605-E86D-408D-9140-2CDC7E336B27@bradleyamm.com>
 <CAMpV8MpEz2BcZb2CwT_6GLtYQXfCWBD=FOej5fUP-eMzR9EQCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ=3pYFQZzUs32JHT4u4qWhngps2hNVQqo2dfy1d8WuiNn-O8g@mail.gmail.com>

Oh I'm not blaming vocus in the slightest. Links we lost were major Telstra
backhaul

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, 7:58 am DaZZa, <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess the days of exchanges being built with enough
> battery/generator backup *and being regularly tested* went away at
> some point in the past.Probably when the focus of our lives moved from
> POTS to being all IP, but likely before that.
>
> While it's probably not fair to blame Vocus for this one - being it's
> a third party exchange (hi Telstra!), there should definitely be more
> focus on risk management in regard to power on critical infrastructure
> than there is.
>
> D
>
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 23:36, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Vocus outage
> >
> > There is currently one outage affecting the Vocus Network
> >
> > Significant service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located
> in Tamworth, NSW.
> >
> > 12/04/2023 19:48 AEST - Please be advised of a service disruption
> affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW. Our T3 teams
> have been engaged to investigate and identify the cause of the disruption.
> An ETR will be provided once our initial investigation is complete. Further
> updates will be provided within the next 2 hours.
> > 12/04/2023 20:10 AEST - Power issue has been identified in our
> third-party provider's network. Their exchange has lost power and back-up
> generator has also failed. No ETR at this stage. We will provide further
> update as they become available.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 12 Apr 2023, at 7:46 pm, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Noticing some pretty major outages across Tamworth for multiple fixed &
> celular Telstra/Optus/NBN service types. Anyone have any further details?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tim Dykes
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
>
> --
> veg?e?tar?i?an:
> Ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride
>
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From jrandombob at darkglade.com  Thu Apr 13 08:54:32 2023
From: jrandombob at darkglade.com (Jrandombob)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 08:54:32 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
In-Reply-To: <CAMpV8MpEz2BcZb2CwT_6GLtYQXfCWBD=FOej5fUP-eMzR9EQCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6037B605-E86D-408D-9140-2CDC7E336B27@bradleyamm.com>
 <CAMpV8MpEz2BcZb2CwT_6GLtYQXfCWBD=FOej5fUP-eMzR9EQCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhfpxqn_CDDndZkSSGS=TU5OOKYteV=ZPj81Zda9tpzX04JfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Pretty sure once they moved away from having to do the USO thing on POTS
lines they stopped bothering with batteries (and in many cases gensets).

We lost Telstra 4G (which being in rural Tas pretty much means nobody had
phone service at all) here for several days earlier this year because there
was significant damage to the power distribution network after a storm,
meanwhile the co-located Optus 4G infrastructure didn't miss a beat and NBN
had a genset out to the local FW tower within 24 hours...

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 7:58?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess the days of exchanges being built with enough
> battery/generator backup *and being regularly tested* went away at
> some point in the past.Probably when the focus of our lives moved from
> POTS to being all IP, but likely before that.
>
> While it's probably not fair to blame Vocus for this one - being it's
> a third party exchange (hi Telstra!), there should definitely be more
> focus on risk management in regard to power on critical infrastructure
> than there is.
>
> D
>
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 23:36, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Vocus outage
> >
> > There is currently one outage affecting the Vocus Network
> >
> > Significant service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services located
> in Tamworth, NSW.
> >
> > 12/04/2023 19:48 AEST - Please be advised of a service disruption
> affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW. Our T3 teams
> have been engaged to investigate and identify the cause of the disruption.
> An ETR will be provided once our initial investigation is complete. Further
> updates will be provided within the next 2 hours.
> > 12/04/2023 20:10 AEST - Power issue has been identified in our
> third-party provider's network. Their exchange has lost power and back-up
> generator has also failed. No ETR at this stage. We will provide further
> update as they become available.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 12 Apr 2023, at 7:46 pm, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Noticing some pretty major outages across Tamworth for multiple fixed &
> celular Telstra/Optus/NBN service types. Anyone have any further details?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tim Dykes
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
>
> --
> veg?e?tar?i?an:
> Ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From davidphe at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 12:01:39 2023
From: davidphe at gmail.com (David Phelan)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:01:39 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] RPKI Training event in Melbourne
Message-ID: <CAKSbVgBOrN44uO2LHk1dOkT7zuJKJLCC-8cHeehMT7UpnvSCHA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
APNIC in Conjunction with Telstra are hosting an RPKI training event in
Melbourne on Thursday 20/4.

Details can be found at the link below
https://academy.apnic.net/en/events?id=a0B2e000000dGmvEAE


Dave
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From gray.duncan at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 12:30:57 2023
From: gray.duncan at gmail.com (Duncan Gray)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:30:57 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
Message-ID: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>

?Hi,

Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would
affect Burwood, Victoria?

Thanks,

Duncan
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From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 12:33:55 2023
From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 10:33:55 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKZcER4Q6Z+RWN3Yunnme3wAQj2ggbN-dsdQDUD0_X-JaAVkrQ@mail.gmail.com>

We just lost Aussie BB services in Perth WA.

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, 10:31 am Duncan Gray, <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:

> ?Hi,
>
> Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would
> affect Burwood, Victoria?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From ttdykes at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 12:33:02 2023
From: ttdykes at gmail.com (Tim Dykes)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:33:02 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ=3pYHCn9f2o_bhFwJL4V7ZgPeL5XfHU_dvuCetH78x9qSDdg@mail.gmail.com>

Sydney is down.





Tim Dykes

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:31, Duncan Gray <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:

> ?Hi,
>
> Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would
> affect Burwood, Victoria?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From gray.duncan at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 12:33:12 2023
From: gray.duncan at gmail.com (Duncan Gray)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:33:12 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CAKZcER4Q6Z+RWN3Yunnme3wAQj2ggbN-dsdQDUD0_X-JaAVkrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKZcER4Q6Z+RWN3Yunnme3wAQj2ggbN-dsdQDUD0_X-JaAVkrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP5xEwjwbddmiHzo-fwQ3V_r4WJJshT6mT4=4btO7NBXz3NP7w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:32, Mitch Kelly <mitchkelly24 at gmail.com> wrote:

> We just lost Aussie BB services in Perth WA.
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, 10:31 am Duncan Gray, <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ?Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would
>> affect Burwood, Victoria?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Duncan
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusNOG mailing list
>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>
>
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From guy at traverse.com.au  Thu Apr 13 12:35:15 2023
From: guy at traverse.com.au (Guy Ellis)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:35:15 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CAKZcER4Q6Z+RWN3Yunnme3wAQj2ggbN-dsdQDUD0_X-JaAVkrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKZcER4Q6Z+RWN3Yunnme3wAQj2ggbN-dsdQDUD0_X-JaAVkrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f5e6591-51ea-55f3-543b-2fd7b17a768b@traverse.com.au>

+ North Fitzroy Vic.

On 13/04/2023 12:33 pm, Mitch Kelly wrote:
> We just lost Aussie BB services in Perth WA.
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023, 10:31 am Duncan Gray, <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     ?Hi,
>
>     Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which
>     would affect Burwood, Victoria?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Duncan
>     _______________________________________________
>     AusNOG mailing list
>     AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>     https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

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From jaybobo at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 12:36:20 2023
From: jaybobo at gmail.com (Jay Dixon)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:36:20 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ=3pYHCn9f2o_bhFwJL4V7ZgPeL5XfHU_dvuCetH78x9qSDdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ=3pYHCn9f2o_bhFwJL4V7ZgPeL5XfHU_dvuCetH78x9qSDdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPXAtBCxac0tWWeoa=5ZQO_Q3F5QgOrJ-hOkLyGDeLqyapdAsw@mail.gmail.com>

+ footscray vic

back up now though

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:34, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sydney is down.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Dykes
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:31, Duncan Gray <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ?Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would
>> affect Burwood, Victoria?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Duncan
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusNOG mailing list
>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From troy at troykelly.com  Thu Apr 13 12:37:49 2023
From: troy at troykelly.com (Troy)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 02:37:49 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ=3pYHCn9f2o_bhFwJL4V7ZgPeL5XfHU_dvuCetH78x9qSDdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ=3pYHCn9f2o_bhFwJL4V7ZgPeL5XfHU_dvuCetH78x9qSDdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <O3iSR4weiprLNZL6KvK3lCLC29U7vm14FUEbjzbPjZTohbKCa1w0GZpoUQG7S3y94gdHnHynD35n0iLtE6hPRlIF0sty1jYnrkaxcoUFk_A=@troykelly.com>

Our business services in St Peters, NSW (Sydney) are working fine.

Regards, Troy
Brevity is the elixir of life.
Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020


------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, April 13th, 2023 at 12:33, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:


> Sydney is down.
> 

> 

> 

> 

> Tim Dykes
> 

> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:31, Duncan Gray <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

> > ?Hi,
> > 

> > Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would affect Burwood, Victoria?
> > 

> > Thanks,
> > 

> > Duncan
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From jenn at jenn.id.au  Thu Apr 13 12:40:33 2023
From: jenn at jenn.id.au (Jennifer Sims)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:40:33 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CAPXAtBCxac0tWWeoa=5ZQO_Q3F5QgOrJ-hOkLyGDeLqyapdAsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
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+ Werribee Vic x2

Looks like the hamster took a long weekend, the lucky duck.

We're back too so I'm not overly phased, sometimes like they say the
hamster needs a break...

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:36?PM Jay Dixon <jaybobo at gmail.com> wrote:

> + footscray vic
>
> back up now though
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:34, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sydney is down.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Dykes
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:31, Duncan Gray <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ?Hi,
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would
>>> affect Burwood, Victoria?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Duncan
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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>> _______________________________________________
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From ttdykes at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 12:48:27 2023
From: ttdykes at gmail.com (Tim Dykes)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:48:27 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CA+k2KW152XwSBZKt6XTBTsG+b9Eh7Typ1_R0zsXsPWHuLYWJ8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ=3pYHCn9f2o_bhFwJL4V7ZgPeL5XfHU_dvuCetH78x9qSDdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPXAtBCxac0tWWeoa=5ZQO_Q3F5QgOrJ-hOkLyGDeLqyapdAsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+k2KW152XwSBZKt6XTBTsG+b9Eh7Typ1_R0zsXsPWHuLYWJ8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ=3pYF-OSkguCAaecLQrR0TONKW-2ZxUud_JxCZ0Lg_0RRreQ@mail.gmail.com>

Date
START
13 April
12:33 pm

EXPECTED END
Not available

Affected areas
STATES
NSW
NT
QLD
SA
TAS
VIC
WA



Tim Dykes

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:40, Jennifer Sims <jenn at jenn.id.au> wrote:

> + Werribee Vic x2
>
> Looks like the hamster took a long weekend, the lucky duck.
>
> We're back too so I'm not overly phased, sometimes like they say the
> hamster needs a break...
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:36?PM Jay Dixon <jaybobo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> + footscray vic
>>
>> back up now though
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:34, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sydney is down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Dykes
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:31, Duncan Gray <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ?Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would
>>>> affect Burwood, Victoria?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Duncan
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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>> _______________________________________________
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From luke.t at tncrew.com.au  Thu Apr 13 13:41:40 2023
From: luke.t at tncrew.com.au (Luke Thompson)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:41:40 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ=3pYF-OSkguCAaecLQrR0TONKW-2ZxUud_JxCZ0Lg_0RRreQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ=3pYHCn9f2o_bhFwJL4V7ZgPeL5XfHU_dvuCetH78x9qSDdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPXAtBCxac0tWWeoa=5ZQO_Q3F5QgOrJ-hOkLyGDeLqyapdAsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+k2KW152XwSBZKt6XTBTsG+b9Eh7Typ1_R0zsXsPWHuLYWJ8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ=3pYF-OSkguCAaecLQrR0TONKW-2ZxUud_JxCZ0Lg_0RRreQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18778b43240.283d.934dbec5914d2454830359510b9fa213@tncrew.com.au>

The only impact we saw was 12.26pm to 12.31pm. Fine before and since (NSW).

Cheers, Luke

On 13 April 2023 12:49:10 pm Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
> Date
> START
> 13 April
> 12:33 pm
>
> EXPECTED END
> Not available
>
> Affected areas
> STATES
> NSW
> NT
> QLD
> SA
> TAS
> VIC
> WA
>
>
>
> Tim Dykes
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:40, Jennifer Sims <jenn at jenn.id.au> wrote:
> + Werribee Vic x2
>
> Looks like the hamster took a long weekend, the lucky duck.
>
> We're back too so I'm not overly phased, sometimes like they say the 
> hamster needs a break...
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:36?PM Jay Dixon <jaybobo at gmail.com> wrote:
> + footscray vic
>
> back up now though
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:34, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sydney is down.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Dykes
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:31, Duncan Gray <gray.duncan at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Hi,
>
> Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would 
> affect Burwood, Victoria?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From jenn at jenn.id.au  Thu Apr 13 14:17:22 2023
From: jenn at jenn.id.au (Jennifer Sims)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 14:17:22 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
In-Reply-To: <18778b43240.283d.934dbec5914d2454830359510b9fa213@tncrew.com.au>
References: <CAP5xEwjLLyM4MkQxh4ghdi7cKqEvy5Oe2S9T-7SunSXdC+=vbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ=3pYHCn9f2o_bhFwJL4V7ZgPeL5XfHU_dvuCetH78x9qSDdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPXAtBCxac0tWWeoa=5ZQO_Q3F5QgOrJ-hOkLyGDeLqyapdAsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+k2KW152XwSBZKt6XTBTsG+b9Eh7Typ1_R0zsXsPWHuLYWJ8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ=3pYF-OSkguCAaecLQrR0TONKW-2ZxUud_JxCZ0Lg_0RRreQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <18778b43240.283d.934dbec5914d2454830359510b9fa213@tncrew.com.au>
Message-ID: <CA+k2KW2QhszLPOWXj=pxQj1L8xysn4WxfPzyw92Eb4Q-8YmkNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I believe the DHCP Hamster decided to call it a day according to WP,
it was posted by their Chief.

So it's fair to say, the right people are looking at it and what caused it
to call it a day.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 1:41?PM Luke Thompson <luke.t at tncrew.com.au> wrote:

> The only impact we saw was 12.26pm to 12.31pm. Fine before and since
> (NSW).
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> On 13 April 2023 12:49:10 pm Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Date
>> START
>> 13 April
>> 12:33 pm
>>
>> EXPECTED END
>> Not available
>>
>> Affected areas
>> STATES
>> NSW
>> NT
>> QLD
>> SA
>> TAS
>> VIC
>> WA
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Dykes
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:40, Jennifer Sims <jenn at jenn.id.au> wrote:
>>
>>> + Werribee Vic x2
>>>
>>> Looks like the hamster took a long weekend, the lucky duck.
>>>
>>> We're back too so I'm not overly phased, sometimes like they say the
>>> hamster needs a break...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:36?PM Jay Dixon <jaybobo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> + footscray vic
>>>>
>>>> back up now though
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:34, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sydney is down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Dykes
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 12:31, Duncan Gray <gray.duncan at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is currently an AussieBB outage which would
>>>>>> affect Burwood, Victoria?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>>>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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>>> _______________________________________________
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Thu Apr 13 14:26:28 2023
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 12:26:28 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] AussieBB NBN outage Burwood Victoria?
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From matthew at htsol.com.au  Fri Apr 14 15:57:16 2023
From: matthew at htsol.com.au (Matthew Mace)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:57:16 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] VDSL to Ethernet Converter
Message-ID: <SY4P282MB351704B10C03FE85E0B84CB095999@SY4P282MB3517.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Super long shot but always worth a try, does anyone local to Brisbane/Ipswich/Gold Coast area  have a Planet VC-231/VC231G Spare

Or a pair of any VDSL to Ethernet Bridge devices like this:

https://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/vc-231

One of my devices on the end of a critical link I need for this weekend has decided to give up on life.

Thanks,


Matthew Mace
Honest Technology Solutions
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From cameron.murray at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 16:07:20 2023
From: cameron.murray at gmail.com (Cameron Murray)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:07:20 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] VDSL to Ethernet Converter
In-Reply-To: <SY4P282MB351704B10C03FE85E0B84CB095999@SY4P282MB3517.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SY4P282MB351704B10C03FE85E0B84CB095999@SY4P282MB3517.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAFtvTJa58LYX0G2LCtbTQax-k-7-B63OEEBo5y4jsrHLWjcNEg@mail.gmail.com>

Never Tried it and likely a waste of time but if you put your working one
into CO mode would a regular VDSL modem connect to it?

Kind Regards

Cameron


On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 3:57?PM Matthew Mace <matthew at htsol.com.au> wrote:

> Super long shot but always worth a try, does anyone local to
> Brisbane/Ipswich/Gold Coast area  have a Planet VC-231/VC231G Spare
>
>
>
> Or a pair of any VDSL to Ethernet Bridge devices like this:
>
>
>
> https://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/vc-231
>
>
>
> One of my devices on the end of a critical link I need for this weekend
> has decided to give up on life.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Matthew Mace
>
> Honest Technology Solutions
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From brad at delion.com.au  Fri Apr 14 16:24:37 2023
From: brad at delion.com.au (Brad Evans)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 06:24:37 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] VDSL to Ethernet Converter
In-Reply-To: <CAFtvTJa58LYX0G2LCtbTQax-k-7-B63OEEBo5y4jsrHLWjcNEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SY4P282MB351704B10C03FE85E0B84CB095999@SY4P282MB3517.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <CAFtvTJa58LYX0G2LCtbTQax-k-7-B63OEEBo5y4jsrHLWjcNEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ME3P282MB330656586A4765B1184236BF9F999@ME3P282MB3306.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Probably not. We tried this exact thing as a FTTN test bench in the office with the same/similar device and none the modems we tried would sync.

Meanwhile if anyone has suggestions for the above (ie, a 1-4 port cheap micro ?DSLAM?), I?d love to hear!



From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Cameron Murray
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2023 2:07 PM
To: Matthew Mace <matthew at htsol.com.au>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] VDSL to Ethernet Converter

Never Tried it and likely a waste of time but if you put your working one into CO mode would a regular VDSL modem connect to it?

Kind Regards

Cameron


On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 3:57?PM Matthew Mace <matthew at htsol.com.au<mailto:matthew at htsol.com.au>> wrote:
Super long shot but always worth a try, does anyone local to Brisbane/Ipswich/Gold Coast area  have a Planet VC-231/VC231G Spare

Or a pair of any VDSL to Ethernet Bridge devices like this:

https://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/vc-231

One of my devices on the end of a critical link I need for this weekend has decided to give up on life.

Thanks,


Matthew Mace
Honest Technology Solutions
_______________________________________________
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From jalovick at doof.org  Fri Apr 14 17:38:26 2023
From: jalovick at doof.org (Jamie Lovick)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:38:26 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] VDSL to Ethernet Converter
In-Reply-To: <ME3P282MB330656586A4765B1184236BF9F999@ME3P282MB3306.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SY4P282MB351704B10C03FE85E0B84CB095999@SY4P282MB3517.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <CAFtvTJa58LYX0G2LCtbTQax-k-7-B63OEEBo5y4jsrHLWjcNEg@mail.gmail.com>
 <ME3P282MB330656586A4765B1184236BF9F999@ME3P282MB3306.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAKznZ5wvtv48EJdCrR3=HfmB+vWivfNqx7w+kumGbzuS6py0tg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Any CPE that supports profile 30a in station mode can act as a B end, but
you'd need one of those in central office mode to pair them together. I've
used a basic TP Link as a 30a client in the past.

I do have a VC231 sitting in a drawer in Sydney, but I won't have access to
it till mid next week.

I also have a stack of 8 port VDSL switches I'm happy to let go for a
nominal fee + shipping if you're interested.


Jamie

--
Jamie Lovick <-> IT Consultant
AU <-> +61-4-1479-1681
US <-> +1-8018-4-52643 (JAMIE)
Em <-> jalovick at doof.org


On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, 4:24 pm Brad Evans, <brad at delion.com.au> wrote:

> Probably not. We tried this exact thing as a FTTN test bench in the office
> with the same/similar device and none the modems we tried would sync.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile if anyone has suggestions for the above (ie, a 1-4 port cheap
> micro ?DSLAM?), I?d love to hear!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *Cameron
> Murray
> *Sent:* Friday, April 14, 2023 2:07 PM
> *To:* Matthew Mace <matthew at htsol.com.au>
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] VDSL to Ethernet Converter
>
>
>
> Never Tried it and likely a waste of time but if you put your working one
> into CO mode would a regular VDSL modem connect to it?
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Cameron
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 3:57?PM Matthew Mace <matthew at htsol.com.au> wrote:
>
> Super long shot but always worth a try, does anyone local to
> Brisbane/Ipswich/Gold Coast area  have a Planet VC-231/VC231G Spare
>
>
>
> Or a pair of any VDSL to Ethernet Bridge devices like this:
>
>
>
> https://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/vc-231
>
>
>
> One of my devices on the end of a critical link I need for this weekend
> has decided to give up on life.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Matthew Mace
>
> Honest Technology Solutions
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From ttdykes at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 18:26:37 2023
From: ttdykes at gmail.com (Tim Dykes)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 18:26:37 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
In-Reply-To: <CAGhfpxqn_CDDndZkSSGS=TU5OOKYteV=ZPj81Zda9tpzX04JfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ=3pYGoRzWuTe58Dgxoa-caaR_M4K7cuWZwDL631JsD=0219w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6037B605-E86D-408D-9140-2CDC7E336B27@bradleyamm.com>
 <CAMpV8MpEz2BcZb2CwT_6GLtYQXfCWBD=FOej5fUP-eMzR9EQCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGhfpxqn_CDDndZkSSGS=TU5OOKYteV=ZPj81Zda9tpzX04JfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ=3pYEPKR+hB6M96_qayoDU9V65VY5p7xvJXkQ0_JtROBSHLg@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like it just died again.


Tim Dykes

On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 08:55, Jrandombob <jrandombob at darkglade.com> wrote:

> Pretty sure once they moved away from having to do the USO thing on POTS
> lines they stopped bothering with batteries (and in many cases gensets).
>
> We lost Telstra 4G (which being in rural Tas pretty much means nobody had
> phone service at all) here for several days earlier this year because there
> was significant damage to the power distribution network after a storm,
> meanwhile the co-located Optus 4G infrastructure didn't miss a beat and NBN
> had a genset out to the local FW tower within 24 hours...
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 7:58?AM DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess the days of exchanges being built with enough
>> battery/generator backup *and being regularly tested* went away at
>> some point in the past.Probably when the focus of our lives moved from
>> POTS to being all IP, but likely before that.
>>
>> While it's probably not fair to blame Vocus for this one - being it's
>> a third party exchange (hi Telstra!), there should definitely be more
>> focus on risk management in regard to power on critical infrastructure
>> than there is.
>>
>> D
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 23:36, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Vocus outage
>> >
>> > There is currently one outage affecting the Vocus Network
>> >
>> > Significant service disruption affecting Vocus Internet services
>> located in Tamworth, NSW.
>> >
>> > 12/04/2023 19:48 AEST - Please be advised of a service disruption
>> affecting Vocus Internet services located in Tamworth, NSW. Our T3 teams
>> have been engaged to investigate and identify the cause of the disruption.
>> An ETR will be provided once our initial investigation is complete. Further
>> updates will be provided within the next 2 hours.
>> > 12/04/2023 20:10 AEST - Power issue has been identified in our
>> third-party provider's network. Their exchange has lost power and back-up
>> generator has also failed. No ETR at this stage. We will provide further
>> update as they become available.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On 12 Apr 2023, at 7:46 pm, Tim Dykes <ttdykes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > Noticing some pretty major outages across Tamworth for multiple fixed &
>> celular Telstra/Optus/NBN service types. Anyone have any further details?
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Tim Dykes
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > AusNOG mailing list
>> > AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Fri Apr 14 18:34:44 2023
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:34:44 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Tamworth Outage
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From cameron.ferdinands at gmail.com  Tue Apr 18 19:24:46 2023
From: cameron.ferdinands at gmail.com (Cameron)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 19:24:46 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra placing YouTube in restricted mode / content
	filtering
Message-ID: <CAFXuDfYpzZZDMpjkcEYCeNoZKOT4QfDsv+tPudLc+GWwFHe_tg@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting that this capability exists, concerning that Telstra's enabled
it.

To keep it on topic what do network operators think about using these tools?


https://support.google.com/a/answer/6214622?hl=en#zippy=%2Coption-dns

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.youtube.com. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.youtube.com. 0 IN CNAME restrict.youtube.com.
restrict.youtube.com. 2192 IN A 216.239.38.120

;; Query time: 25 msec
;; SERVER: 2001:8003:e830:9000::1#53(2001:8003:e830:9000::1)
;; WHEN: Tue Apr 18 19:18:08 AEST 2023
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 83
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From rendrag at rendrag.net  Tue Apr 18 20:35:16 2023
From: rendrag at rendrag.net (Damien Gardner Jnr)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 20:35:16 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra placing YouTube in restricted mode / content
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <CAFXuDfYpzZZDMpjkcEYCeNoZKOT4QfDsv+tPudLc+GWwFHe_tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXuDfYpzZZDMpjkcEYCeNoZKOT4QfDsv+tPudLc+GWwFHe_tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrfDLVH-R03AytDKp1gd5QekW8qWj=zBZdQPPo74JZ2-65uFA@mail.gmail.com>

Are you on a telstra residential connection which has set themselves into
parental control mode in the portal?  It?s been a feature for at least 6-7
years now AFAIK. :)

?DG

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 at 7:25 pm, Cameron <cameron.ferdinands at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Interesting that this capability exists, concerning that Telstra's enabled
> it.
>
> To keep it on topic what do network operators think about using these
> tools?
>
>
> https://support.google.com/a/answer/6214622?hl=en#zippy=%2Coption-dns
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;www.youtube.com. IN A
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> www.youtube.com. 0 IN CNAME restrict.youtube.com.
> restrict.youtube.com. 2192 IN A 216.239.38.120
>
> ;; Query time: 25 msec
> ;; SERVER: 2001:8003:e830:9000::1#53(2001:8003:e830:9000::1)
> ;; WHEN: Tue Apr 18 19:18:08 AEST 2023
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 83
> _______________________________________________
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> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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-- 

Damien Gardner Jnr
VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
rendrag at rendrag.net -  http://www.rendrag.net/
--
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 We ran to the sounds of thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
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From cameron.ferdinands at gmail.com  Tue Apr 18 21:03:12 2023
From: cameron.ferdinands at gmail.com (Cameron)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 21:03:12 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra placing YouTube in restricted mode / content
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <CAPrfDLVH-R03AytDKp1gd5QekW8qWj=zBZdQPPo74JZ2-65uFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXuDfYpzZZDMpjkcEYCeNoZKOT4QfDsv+tPudLc+GWwFHe_tg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPrfDLVH-R03AytDKp1gd5QekW8qWj=zBZdQPPo74JZ2-65uFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFXuDfY4QnNxAZmmp3rnuUjViDY7jqdkT-LWY3fyxzDLG_AKdQ@mail.gmail.com>

An industry contact has reached out to me and Telstra are working on it.

I?m almost certain I couldn?t stop my residential customers being able to
use YouTube but not see/make comments in 2016 by fumbling DNS. Maybe as
network operators we should?ve done our part?

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 at 8:35 pm, Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag at rendrag.net>
wrote:

> Are you on a telstra residential connection which has set themselves into
> parental control mode in the portal?  It?s been a feature for at least 6-7
> years now AFAIK. :)
>
> ?DG
>
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 at 7:25 pm, Cameron <cameron.ferdinands at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting that this capability exists, concerning that Telstra's
>> enabled it.
>>
>> To keep it on topic what do network operators think about using these
>> tools?
>>
>>
>> https://support.google.com/a/answer/6214622?hl=en#zippy=%2Coption-dns
>>
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;www.youtube.com. IN A
>>
>> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
>> www.youtube.com. 0 IN CNAME restrict.youtube.com.
>> restrict.youtube.com. 2192 IN A 216.239.38.120
>>
>> ;; Query time: 25 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 2001:8003:e830:9000::1#53(2001:8003:e830:9000::1)
>> ;; WHEN: Tue Apr 18 19:18:08 AEST 2023
>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 83
>>
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>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
>> --
>
> Damien Gardner Jnr
> VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
> rendrag at rendrag.net -  http://www.rendrag.net/
> --
> We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
>  We ran to the sounds of thunder.
> We danced among the lightning bolts,
>  and tore the world asunder
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Tue Apr 18 21:05:54 2023
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 19:05:54 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra placing YouTube in restricted mode / content
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <CAFXuDfY4QnNxAZmmp3rnuUjViDY7jqdkT-LWY3fyxzDLG_AKdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXuDfY4QnNxAZmmp3rnuUjViDY7jqdkT-LWY3fyxzDLG_AKdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From me at str.id.au  Fri Apr 21 15:38:07 2023
From: me at str.id.au (Astrid Sapphire)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:38:07 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Network/IP contact from TripAdvisor
Message-ID: <CAFAysEt0ho8zUJvdLX9P7xZ4yk+HR+Pt8JKi+hgyjSeUdKOyQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Please excuse this being one of my first on-list contacts, I?m running out
of contacts to hit.

Does anyone have a contact with TripAdvisor?s NOC - we?re not able to reach
any contacts.

Kind regards,

Astrid Sapphire
Technical Lead - Automation
Flight Centre Travel Group
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From ltd at interlink.com.au  Fri Apr 21 16:04:07 2023
From: ltd at interlink.com.au (Lincoln Dale)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 16:04:07 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Network/IP contact from TripAdvisor
In-Reply-To: <CAFAysEt0ho8zUJvdLX9P7xZ4yk+HR+Pt8JKi+hgyjSeUdKOyQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFAysEt0ho8zUJvdLX9P7xZ4yk+HR+Pt8JKi+hgyjSeUdKOyQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAUJCVPk3dD47BBOKQ8fbJTVUO7Ypnut9cq=kaZH7KB2sy7pFg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Does anyone have a contact with TripAdvisor?s NOC - we?re not able to
> reach any contacts.
>

frontend for them is on Fastly. assuming its a WAF issue, maybe reach out
to Fastly? They might be able to help.


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From Ben.Ricardo at acs.com.au  Mon Apr 24 10:20:16 2023
From: Ben.Ricardo at acs.com.au (Ben Ricardo)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 00:20:16 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Global Switch Event  2023-04-20 13:38
Message-ID: <1b08ec71e3814c948d088b0675f5047f@acs.com.au>

Hi All,
Just wondering if anyone knows about an event last week at Global Switch?
We heard there was some sort of a "fire incident"?

Ben

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From davidphe at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 16:40:56 2023
From: davidphe at gmail.com (David Phelan)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 16:40:56 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] APNIC 56 Conference - Call for Presentations
Message-ID: <CAKSbVgDR5_gEgrjmZbkiEKyONmk51gK_6-RT67+t2LUQfVedYw@mail.gmail.com>

_____________________________________________________________________

APNIC 56 Conference - Call for Presentations
_____________________________________________________________________


The APNIC Program Committee (PC) is seeking presentations for the APNIC
56 Conference in Kyoto, Japan from 12 to 14 September 2023. The PC is
looking for content that would suit technical sessions, tutorials,
lightning talks, and panel discussions.

Topics for the conference sessions must be relevant to Internet
operations and technologies. For possible areas of topics and submission
details, please see:

    https://conference.apnic.net/56/program/callforpresentations/


Key dates
---------

Call for presentations opens:   Wednesday, 19 April 2023
First round acceptance:         Thursday, 01 June 2023
Final deadline for submissions: Saturday, 01 July 2023
Final round acceptance:         Monday, 31 July 2023

Please take note of the key dates so that the program can be announced
early.

APNIC 56 conference registration is free for selected speakers, however
speakers must fund their own travel if presenting in-person. The PC will
give preference to in-person presentations over remote presentations.

Prospective presenters should note that the majority of speaking slots
will be filled well before the final submission deadline. The PC will
retain a limited number of slots up to the final submission deadline
for presentations that are exceptionally timely, important, or of
critical operational importance.

If you have any other ideas or proposals for panel or BoF sessions,
please feel free to submit your ideas via the submission system.

If you have any questions, please email the PC at:

  apnic-pc at apnic.net

For more information about APNIC 56, please see:

  https://conference.apnic.net/56


Sent on behalf of the APNIC 56 Program Committee
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