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Inferred improvements during Sep 2022: none inferred Source Address Validation issues inferred during Sep 2022: ASN Name First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed 38195 SUPERLOOP 2018-02-02 2022-09-05 Further information for these tests where we received spoofed packets is available at: https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus&no_block=1 Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-info at caida.org From jason at leschnik.me Sun Oct 9 11:29:54 2022 From: jason at leschnik.me (Jason Leschnik) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 11:29:54 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Diagramming Networks in 2022 - Should it be this hard? Message-ID: Hi everyone, Frustration has gotten the better of me, hence the post. Sorry if this isn't 100% relevant, I thought about posting on Reddit but find sometimes the replies are a bit of a dumpster fire. We're using Visio and some very basic templating practices (common symbols, guidelines for link color/type & styles). But every time I jump into our diagrams, I'm always frustrated with how tedious it is to use Visio (possible lack of skill?) and how rigid the tool is. Moving a device/adding a new site, effectively means getting out the scissors and glue and spending an afternoon like an artisan redrawing and reflowing links. I understand there are other tools out there, draw.io/lucid which are better but still all take time and some artistic flare. Possibly this is due to a mix of how we're using connectors (some in our team are just reverting to using simple lines now to avoid the connector reflow madness). But things like labels on links, having to chase them around the page manually, and diagrams that are difficult to read because of lack of room. Surely we're doing it the hard way? Does anyone have examples of their "real world" diagrams (redacted of course!) to show how they do this better? All the Google-Fu I do on the subject just brings me to those "edgy" isometric Network diagrams that are used in marketing slideware. *tl;dr* looking for practical Network diagram styles so I can use some of the themes in our diagrams. Attached sample, moving anything around in this small area requires a few hours to rework everything. It shouldn't be this hard right? [image: image.png] Regards, Jason. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 115992 bytes Desc: not available URL: From edepa at ieee.org Sun Oct 9 18:57:52 2022 From: edepa at ieee.org (Etienne-Victor Depasquale) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2022 09:57:52 +0200 Subject: [AusNOG] Diagramming Networks in 2022 - Should it be this hard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason, Last September ( https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2021-September/thread.html), I posted a similar question to NANOG. The thread was titled "Telecommunications network drafting software". You might find something helpful there. I'll confess that ultimately, I resigned myself to: (a) using Visio (b) buying Visio templates (especially those for radio access networks) (c) using basic shapes and labelling them, instead of endlessly chasing a wild goose on the Internet. Ultimately, my humble diagnosis is that we're on our own until someone decides to take this up as a business venture. Cheers, Etienne On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 2:30 AM Jason Leschnik wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Frustration has gotten the better of me, hence the post. Sorry if this > isn't 100% relevant, I thought about posting on Reddit but find sometimes > the replies are a bit of a dumpster fire. > > We're using Visio and some very basic templating practices (common > symbols, guidelines for link color/type & styles). But every time I jump > into our diagrams, I'm always frustrated with how tedious it is to use > Visio (possible lack of skill?) and how rigid the tool is. Moving a > device/adding a new site, effectively means getting out the scissors and > glue and spending an afternoon like an artisan redrawing and reflowing > links. I understand there are other tools out there, draw.io/lucid which > are better but still all take time and some artistic flare. > > Possibly this is due to a mix of how we're using connectors (some in > our team are just reverting to using simple lines now to avoid the > connector reflow madness). But things like labels on links, having to chase > them around the page manually, and diagrams that are difficult to read > because of lack of room. Surely we're doing it the hard way? > > Does anyone have examples of their "real world" diagrams (redacted of > course!) to show how they do this better? All the Google-Fu I do on the > subject just brings me to those "edgy" isometric Network diagrams that are > used in marketing slideware. > > *tl;dr* looking for practical Network diagram styles so I can use some of > the themes in our diagrams. > > Attached sample, moving anything around in this small area requires a few > hours to rework everything. It shouldn't be this hard right? > > [image: image.png] > Regards, > Jason. > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Ing. 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I asked the manager, what?s that. He replied, that is my network. He had used wooden blocks (including taks) with some magnetic adhesive strips as switches, and string around the taks depicting uplinks. Switches (blocks) were different colours (red/green/orange) and had labels from a labeller, which could be peeled off easily. The coolest thing, he showed me cable tracing in this (it was pretty big network). He simply plucked it and watched it vibrate back to the switch it was connected too. For him, it had been a success and he gave up on diagrams for the reasons you talk about. One of the upsides of travel is meeting really clever people doing things you wouldn?t have thought of. Stay well all. On Sunday, October 9, 2022, Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote: > Jason, > > Last September (https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2021- > September/thread.html), I posted a similar question to NANOG. > The thread was titled "Telecommunications network drafting software". > You might find something helpful there. > > I'll confess that ultimately, I resigned myself to: > > (a) using Visio > (b) buying Visio templates (especially those for radio access networks) > (c) using basic shapes and labelling them, instead of endlessly chasing a > wild goose on the Internet. > > Ultimately, my humble diagnosis is that we're on our own until someone > decides to take this up as a business venture. > > Cheers, > > Etienne > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 2:30 AM Jason Leschnik wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Frustration has gotten the better of me, hence the post. Sorry if this >> isn't 100% relevant, I thought about posting on Reddit but find sometimes >> the replies are a bit of a dumpster fire. >> >> We're using Visio and some very basic templating practices (common >> symbols, guidelines for link color/type & styles). But every time I jump >> into our diagrams, I'm always frustrated with how tedious it is to use >> Visio (possible lack of skill?) and how rigid the tool is. Moving a >> device/adding a new site, effectively means getting out the scissors and >> glue and spending an afternoon like an artisan redrawing and reflowing >> links. I understand there are other tools out there, draw.io/lucid which >> are better but still all take time and some artistic flare. >> >> Possibly this is due to a mix of how we're using connectors (some in >> our team are just reverting to using simple lines now to avoid the >> connector reflow madness). But things like labels on links, having to chase >> them around the page manually, and diagrams that are difficult to read >> because of lack of room. Surely we're doing it the hard way? >> >> Does anyone have examples of their "real world" diagrams (redacted of >> course!) to show how they do this better? All the Google-Fu I do on the >> subject just brings me to those "edgy" isometric Network diagrams that are >> used in marketing slideware. >> >> *tl;dr* looking for practical Network diagram styles so I can use some >> of the themes in our diagrams. >> >> Attached sample, moving anything around in this small area requires a few >> hours to rework everything. It shouldn't be this hard right? >> >> [image: image.png] >> Regards, >> Jason. >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > > > -- > Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale > Assistant Lecturer > Department of Communications & Computer Engineering > Faculty of Information & Communication Technology > University of Malta > Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 115992 bytes Desc: not available URL: From philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au Mon Oct 10 12:04:58 2022 From: philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au (Philip Loenneker) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 01:04:58 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Diagramming Networks in 2022 - Should it be this hard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven?t used it, but I like the idea of DrawThe.Net ? network diagrams as YAML which can be rendered. https://github.com/cidrblock/drawthe.net It appears it hasn?t been updated for around 6 years, so if you come across any issues, you might need to follow the trail of the 116 people who have forked it to look for newer versions. From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Johnathon Brandis Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2022 7:41 PM To: Etienne-Victor Depasquale Cc: AUSNOG Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Diagramming Networks in 2022 - Should it be this hard? You don't often get email from jcbrandis at gmail.com. Learn why this is important Gday, Stranger these days to this forum. However, Was recently in Bangkok for Work and I noticed in the SNOC (it was like container ships welded together), wood blocks on a wall (would have 2 x sedan long and basketball ring high) with string, visualise a tapestry. I asked the manager, what?s that. He replied, that is my network. He had used wooden blocks (including taks) with some magnetic adhesive strips as switches, and string around the taks depicting uplinks. Switches (blocks) were different colours (red/green/orange) and had labels from a labeller, which could be peeled off easily. The coolest thing, he showed me cable tracing in this (it was pretty big network). He simply plucked it and watched it vibrate back to the switch it was connected too. For him, it had been a success and he gave up on diagrams for the reasons you talk about. One of the upsides of travel is meeting really clever people doing things you wouldn?t have thought of. Stay well all. On Sunday, October 9, 2022, Etienne-Victor Depasquale > wrote: Jason, Last September (https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2021-September/thread.html), I posted a similar question to NANOG. The thread was titled "Telecommunications network drafting software". You might find something helpful there. I'll confess that ultimately, I resigned myself to: (a) using Visio (b) buying Visio templates (especially those for radio access networks) (c) using basic shapes and labelling them, instead of endlessly chasing a wild goose on the Internet. Ultimately, my humble diagnosis is that we're on our own until someone decides to take this up as a business venture. Cheers, Etienne On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 2:30 AM Jason Leschnik > wrote: Hi everyone, Frustration has gotten the better of me, hence the post. Sorry if this isn't 100% relevant, I thought about posting on Reddit but find sometimes the replies are a bit of a dumpster fire. We're using Visio and some very basic templating practices (common symbols, guidelines for link color/type & styles). But every time I jump into our diagrams, I'm always frustrated with how tedious it is to use Visio (possible lack of skill?) and how rigid the tool is. Moving a device/adding a new site, effectively means getting out the scissors and glue and spending an afternoon like an artisan redrawing and reflowing links. I understand there are other tools out there, draw.io/lucid which are better but still all take time and some artistic flare. Possibly this is due to a mix of how we're using connectors (some in our team are just reverting to using simple lines now to avoid the connector reflow madness). But things like labels on links, having to chase them around the page manually, and diagrams that are difficult to read because of lack of room. Surely we're doing it the hard way? Does anyone have examples of their "real world" diagrams (redacted of course!) to show how they do this better? All the Google-Fu I do on the subject just brings me to those "edgy" isometric Network diagrams that are used in marketing slideware. tl;dr looking for practical Network diagram styles so I can use some of the themes in our diagrams. Attached sample, moving anything around in this small area requires a few hours to rework everything. It shouldn't be this hard right? [cid:image001.png at 01D8DCA0.82B815D0] Regards, Jason. _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale Assistant Lecturer Department of Communications & Computer Engineering Faculty of Information & Communication Technology University of Malta Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 115992 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From shaun at kadeo.com.au Mon Oct 10 12:40:44 2022 From: shaun at kadeo.com.au (Shaun Deans) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 01:40:44 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Diagramming Networks in 2022 - Should it be this hard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason. Prefix: I'm making a total assumption on why your diagramming your infra. If I've missed the point then please accept my apology and I hope this may help someone else. If the reason for diagramming is to document configuration have you thought about implementing an online configuration tool like Netbox ( https://github.com/netbox-community/netbox ) ? > > ? NetBox is the leading solution for modeling and documenting modern > networks. By combining the traditional disciplines of IP address > management (IPAM) and datacenter infrastructure management (DCIM) with > powerful APIs and extensions, NetBox provides the ideal "source of truth" > to power network automation. Available as open source software under the > Apache 2.0 license, NetBox is employed by thousands of organizations > around the world. > > This tool has heaps of plugins including one for topology rendering ( https://github.com/mattieserver/netbox-topology-views ) (example below). The benefit I see for a tool like Netbox is that it's 'always live' and also contains audit logs for configuration changes which helps as well. The fact that its got so many plugins allows for automatic deployment and detection of config drift if documentation isn't up to scratch. I understand that moving to an online tool may introduce the ' can't access the online tool due to network being down ' issue however I'm sure these documents could be exported via cron on a schedule to a s3 bucket or something similar. Again if I've missed the need for the diagrams vs a config tool I'd love to understand the use of the diagrams to have another shot! Cheers Shaun On Sun, Oct 09, 2022 at 11:29:54, Jason Leschnik < jason at leschnik.me > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Frustration has gotten the better of?me,?hence the post. Sorry if this > isn't 100% relevant, I thought about posting on Reddit but find sometimes > the replies are a bit of a dumpster fire. > > > > We're using Visio and some very basic templating practices (common > symbols, guidelines?for link color/type & styles). But every time I jump > into our diagrams, I'm always frustrated with how tedious it is to use > Visio (possible lack of skill?) and how rigid the tool is. Moving a > device/adding a new site, effectively means getting out the scissors and > glue and spending an afternoon like an artisan redrawing and reflowing > links. I understand there are other tools out there, draw. io/ lucid ( > http://draw.io/lucid ) which are better but still all take time and some > artistic flare. > > > > Possibly this is due to a mix of how we're using connectors (some in our > team are just reverting to using simple lines now to avoid the connector > reflow madness). But things like labels on links, having to chase them > around the page manually, and diagrams that are difficult to read because > of lack of room. Surely we're doing it the hard way? > > > > Does anyone have examples of their "real world"?diagrams (redacted of > course!) to show how they do this better? All the Google-Fu I do on the > subject just brings me to those "edgy" isometric Network diagrams that are > used in marketing slideware. > > > > *tl;dr* looking for practical Network diagram styles so I can use some of > the themes in our diagrams. > > > > Attached sample, moving anything around in this small area requires a few > hours to rework everything. It shouldn't be this hard right? > > > > > Regards, > > Jason. > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@ ausnog. net ( AusNOG at ausnog.net ) > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Will this location receive a FTTP upgrade to every apartment even though a percentage of the lots are holiday let and have internet delivered by the onsite manager. Or Will NBN install a DSLAM onsite and deliver a service over FTTB? Cheers Shane From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Tue Oct 11 21:20:46 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 10:20:46 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP - upgrade for a strata complex In-Reply-To: References: <004101d8dc8f$b37653a0$1a62fae0$@activewireless.com.au> Message-ID: I can answer your last question, the building if it didn?t already have would get FTTB unless the building owner wanted to subsidize the FTTP build. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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Cheers Piers Piers Tyler M: +61 411 558 330 From: AusNOG on behalf of Nathan Brookfield Date: Tuesday, 11 October 2022 at 9:22 pm To: Shane Hart Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP - upgrade for a strata complex I can answer your last question, the building if it didn?t already have would get FTTB unless the building owner wanted to subsidize the FTTP build. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 11 Oct 2022, at 20:16, Shane Hart wrote: ?Hi all Sorry in advance for the noise... 1. Where would I find a breakdown on the current NBN users based on the delivery method? Specifically current FTTN subscribers. 2. Many suburbs have been flagged for upgrades to FTTP. Does this include strata titled apartment blocks? As an example a complex of 30 to 80 apartments with a mixture of holiday let and permanent tenants/owners currently being serviced from either direct FTTN with NBN or the onsite manager as part of a guest network. Will this location receive a FTTP upgrade to every apartment even though a percentage of the lots are holiday let and have internet delivered by the onsite manager. Or Will NBN install a DSLAM onsite and deliver a service over FTTB? Cheers Shane _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, David ... > On 11 Oct 2022, at 8:20 pm, Nathan Brookfield > wrote: > > I can answer your last question, the building if it didn?t already have would get FTTB unless the building owner wanted to subsidize the FTTP build. > > Nathan Brookfield > General Manager > > p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > Your Connectivity Team > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. 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Both Megaport & IAA are unlisted > > https://www.manrs.org/participant/274/ > https://www.manrs.org/participant/218/ > > Regards, > Patrick. > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 09:29, Terry Sweetser > wrote: > >> Hello AusNOG, >> >> >> >> New job, see below. >> >> >> >> Jumping straight in, how are our local internet exchanges going on >> standing up ROV? >> >> >> >> I know the IIA team has done so, but how about others? >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *Terry Sweetser* >> Training Delivery Manager >> South Asia and Oceania >> e: terry.sweetser at apnic.net >> p: +61 7 3858 3100 >> www.apnic.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Join the conversation: *blog.apnic.net * >> >> [image: Facebook] [image: Twitter] >> [image: YouTube] >> [image: Flickr] >> [image: Weibo] >> [image: Slideshare] >> [image: RSS] >> [image: LinkedIn] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > > > -- > 0406884900 > pat at ge3k.net > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Director of Product Management - Interconnection Megaport +61 424 229 127 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 24 Oct 2022, at 19:09, Bradley Amm wrote: ? ?Has iiNet/Internode/TPG etc de-peered from IX Australia _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad.gould at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 21:14:16 2022 From: brad.gould at gmail.com (Brad Gould) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 20:44:16 +1030 Subject: [AusNOG] Has iiNet/TPG/Internode Etc Depeered In-Reply-To: <4890F24B-740C-4CCF-AB07-9B755DDA521B@iperium.com.au> References: <44644abd0a5e43d9a8464f1766f9fa64@IHM-BUR-E13M02.prdhosting.local> <4890F24B-740C-4CCF-AB07-9B755DDA521B@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: This is causing hairpinning of traffic through WA. I had a family member impacted - they raised a support ticket and after a NBN tech was dispatched to their house and found no fault with the FTTN, was told by the Network team that SA --> WA --> NSW was the faster path, and the old path would not return. On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 20:20, Nathan Brookfield < Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote: > They were only left on WA-IX only and limited routes. > > On 24 Oct 2022, at 19:09, Bradley Amm wrote: > > ? > > ?Has iiNet/Internode/TPG etc de-peered from IX Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 21:33:27 2022 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 18:33:27 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Has iiNet/TPG/Internode Etc Depeered In-Reply-To: References: <44644abd0a5e43d9a8464f1766f9fa64@IHM-BUR-E13M02.prdhosting.local> <4890F24B-740C-4CCF-AB07-9B755DDA521B@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: Hi, Hang on.. I must admit, It's been a while since I have been working in any kind of support role, But an NBN Tech was sent out for this? The ISP should be named and shamed. How on earth did this make it past even level 1 support to end up with an NBN Tech visit.. On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:14 PM Brad Gould wrote: > This is causing hairpinning of traffic through WA. > > I had a family member impacted - they raised a support ticket and after a > NBN tech was dispatched to their house and found no fault with the FTTN, > was told by the Network team that SA --> WA --> NSW was the faster path, > and the old path would not return. > > > On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 20:20, Nathan Brookfield < > Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote: > >> They were only left on WA-IX only and limited routes. >> >> On 24 Oct 2022, at 19:09, Bradley Amm wrote: >> >> ? >> >> ?Has iiNet/Internode/TPG etc de-peered from IX Australia >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jenn at jenn.id.au Mon Oct 24 21:43:45 2022 From: jenn at jenn.id.au (Jennifer Sims) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 21:43:45 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Has iiNet/TPG/Internode Etc Depeered In-Reply-To: References: <44644abd0a5e43d9a8464f1766f9fa64@IHM-BUR-E13M02.prdhosting.local> <4890F24B-740C-4CCF-AB07-9B755DDA521B@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: Wait what, TPG Technical support sent NBNCo to fix a TPG routing problem? I'm surprised the NBN Ticket bot didn't put a bullet in that, because it has auto algorithms that are like "oh you're healthy and stable, close ticket, no fault found". But TPG have previously not peered with others, so it's no surprise they have started to dump peering in favor for a specific approach (like Optus). On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:34 PM Mitch Kelly wrote: > Hi, > > Hang on.. > I must admit, It's been a while since I have been working in any kind of > support role, But an NBN Tech was sent out for this? > The ISP should be named and shamed. How on earth did this make it past > even level 1 support to end up with an NBN Tech visit.. > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:14 PM Brad Gould wrote: > >> This is causing hairpinning of traffic through WA. >> >> I had a family member impacted - they raised a support ticket and after a >> NBN tech was dispatched to their house and found no fault with the FTTN, >> was told by the Network team that SA --> WA --> NSW was the faster path, >> and the old path would not return. >> >> >> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 20:20, Nathan Brookfield < >> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote: >> >>> They were only left on WA-IX only and limited routes. >>> >>> On 24 Oct 2022, at 19:09, Bradley Amm wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> ?Has iiNet/Internode/TPG etc de-peered from IX Australia >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marktees at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 21:48:09 2022 From: marktees at gmail.com (Mark Tees) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 21:48:09 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Has iiNet/TPG/Internode Etc Depeered In-Reply-To: References: <44644abd0a5e43d9a8464f1766f9fa64@IHM-BUR-E13M02.prdhosting.local> <4890F24B-740C-4CCF-AB07-9B755DDA521B@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: We filter all the TPG ASN?s from peering like we do Telstra/Optus etc. Makes life easier. On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 21:44, Jennifer Sims wrote: > Wait what, TPG Technical support sent NBNCo to fix a TPG routing problem? > > I'm surprised the NBN Ticket bot didn't put a bullet in that, because it > has auto algorithms that are like "oh you're healthy and stable, close > ticket, no fault found". > > But TPG have previously not peered with others, so it's no surprise they > have started to dump peering in favor for a specific approach (like Optus). > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:34 PM Mitch Kelly > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Hang on.. >> I must admit, It's been a while since I have been working in any kind of >> support role, But an NBN Tech was sent out for this? >> The ISP should be named and shamed. How on earth did this make it past >> even level 1 support to end up with an NBN Tech visit.. >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:14 PM Brad Gould wrote: >> >>> This is causing hairpinning of traffic through WA. >>> >>> I had a family member impacted - they raised a support ticket and after >>> a NBN tech was dispatched to their house and found no fault with the FTTN, >>> was told by the Network team that SA --> WA --> NSW was the faster path, >>> and the old path would not return. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 20:20, Nathan Brookfield < >>> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>> They were only left on WA-IX only and limited routes. >>>> >>>> On 24 Oct 2022, at 19:09, Bradley Amm wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> ?Has iiNet/Internode/TPG etc de-peered from IX Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- M Tees -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:14 PM Brad Gould > wrote: This is causing hairpinning of traffic through WA. I had a family member impacted - they raised a support ticket and after a NBN tech was dispatched to their house and found no fault with the FTTN, was told by the Network team that SA --> WA --> NSW was the faster path, and the old path would not return. On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 20:20, Nathan Brookfield > wrote: They were only left on WA-IX only and limited routes. 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URL: From jeremy at vsm.com.au Tue Oct 25 09:32:45 2022 From: jeremy at vsm.com.au (Jeremy Begg) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 09:02:45 +1030 (ACDT) Subject: [AusNOG] Has iiNet/TPG/Internode Etc Depeered In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Mon, 24 Oct 2022 09:08:38 +0000" <44644abd0a5e43d9a8464f1766f9fa64@IHM-BUR-E13M02.prdhosting.local> Message-ID: <01SJJQI9096U8XSOQ1@haven.vsm.com.au> Hi, >=Has iiNet/Internode/TPG etc de-peered from IX Australia I think this happened a month ago. I noticed back on 27th Sept that latency from my home office (Internode via FTTP) to a server in an Adelaide CBD datacentre (about 3km from home) had jumped from a few ms to over 200ms. Enquiry to the datacentre operator produced this response: "Looks like TPG has decided to stop the old Internode AS4739 from peering anywhere. Up until recently TPG wouldn't peer but they still left iinet/internode alone. Looks like that has changed ..." 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Ltd. | | http://www.vsm.com.au/ | |---------------------------------------------------------| | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, | | | South Australia 5081 | E-Mail: jeremy at vsm.com.au | |---------------------------| Mobile: 0414 422 947 | | A.C.N. 068 409 156 | | +---------------------------------------------------------+ From brad at bradleyamm.com Tue Oct 25 19:07:36 2022 From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:07:36 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Has iiNet/TPG/Internode Etc Depeered In-Reply-To: <01SJJQI9096U8XSOQ1@haven.vsm.com.au> References: "Your message dated Mon, 24 Oct 2022 09:08:38 +0000" <44644abd0a5e43d9a8464f1766f9fa64@IHM-BUR-E13M02.prdhosting.local>, <01SJJQI9096U8XSOQ1@haven.vsm.com.au> Message-ID: Yes sorry that?s what I mean AS4739 appears to have gone from IX Australia peering Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Jeremy Begg Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 6:32:45 AM To: brad at bradleyamm.com Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Has iiNet/TPG/Internode Etc Depeered Hi, >=Has iiNet/Internode/TPG etc de-peered from IX Australia I think this happened a month ago. I noticed back on 27th Sept that latency from my home office (Internode via FTTP) to a server in an Adelaide CBD datacentre (about 3km from home) had jumped from a few ms to over 200ms. Enquiry to the datacentre operator produced this response: "Looks like TPG has decided to stop the old Internode AS4739 from peering anywhere. Up until recently TPG wouldn't peer but they still left iinet/internode alone. Looks like that has changed ..." Regards, Jeremy Begg +---------------------------------------------------------+ | VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd. | | http://www.vsm.com.au/ | |---------------------------------------------------------| | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, | | | South Australia 5081 | E-Mail: jeremy at vsm.com.au | |---------------------------| Mobile: 0414 422 947 | | A.C.N. 068 409 156 | | +---------------------------------------------------------+ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes sorry that?s what I mean AS4739 appears to have gone from IX Australia peering Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Jeremy Begg Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 6:32:45 AM To: brad at bradleyamm.com Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Has iiNet/TPG/Internode Etc Depeered Hi, >=Has iiNet/Internode/TPG etc de-peered from IX Australia I think this happened a month ago. I noticed back on 27th Sept that latency from my home office (Internode via FTTP) to a server in an Adelaide CBD datacentre (about 3km from home) had jumped from a few ms to over 200ms. Enquiry to the datacentre operator produced this response: "Looks like TPG has decided to stop the old Internode AS4739 from peering anywhere. Up until recently TPG wouldn't peer but they still left iinet/internode alone. Looks like that has changed ..." Regards, Jeremy Begg +---------------------------------------------------------+ | VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd. | | http://www.vsm.com.au/ | |---------------------------------------------------------| | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, | | | South Australia 5081 | E-Mail: jeremy at vsm.com.au | |---------------------------| Mobile: 0414 422 947 | | A.C.N. 068 409 156 | | +---------------------------------------------------------+ _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glp71s at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 21:33:03 2022 From: glp71s at gmail.com (Giles Pollock) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 21:33:03 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra priority assist voice service help Message-ID: Hi Everyone and apologies for the list noise, but if there is anyone out there from Telstra who might be able to help me with an incorrectly disconnected priority assist voice service, could you please drop me an email off-list? 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Though on Whirlpool, Phil Britt has said: /"The change was very minor, simply adding a new customer IP range which is done all the time. Looks like it has slipped through some validation checks. Automation is the ability to break things at scale unfortunately. We need to do better in this space. I accept that. And we will."/ Cheers, Luke Thompson Chief Technical Officer The Network Crew Pty Ltd https://thenetworkcrew.com.au On 27/10/2022 5:00 pm, Jonathan Morcom wrote: > Hi list, > > Any insight into what?s going on with AussieBB, seems a rather large > outage is underway (i don?t have internet). Twitter thread showing > widespread outage - > https://twitter.com/Aussie_BB/status/1585493819872641025 also their > website is offline with a Cloudflare error. > > Kind Regards, > > Jon. > -- > Jonathan Morcom > +61 407 556 331 > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luke.t at tncrew.com.au Thu Oct 27 17:11:34 2022 From: luke.t at tncrew.com.au (Luke Thompson) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 17:11:34 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Aussie Broadband Outage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43b1ba21-96f9-c029-3023-6f913b35ff9b@tncrew.com.au> A few things that are worth adding: 1. We're on Enterprise Ethernet with ABB, and all is well. Not a peep. So enterprise-grade verification = box ticked. 2. Their initial comms around the incident indicated no update for 2-5 hours, so from the outset it was classed as major. 3. Phil has been incredibly responsive, transparent and "real" as always. So this is very much being handled the Aussie way! Cheers, Luke On 27/10/2022 5:04 pm, Luke Thompson wrote: > > They're being quite reserved thus far. > > Though on Whirlpool, Phil Britt has said: > > /"The change was very minor, simply adding a new customer IP range > which is done all the time. Looks like it has slipped through some > validation checks. > > Automation is the ability to break things at scale unfortunately. > > We need to do better in this space. I accept that. And we will."/ > > Cheers, > > Luke Thompson > Chief Technical Officer > > The Network Crew Pty Ltd > https://thenetworkcrew.com.au > > > On 27/10/2022 5:00 pm, Jonathan Morcom wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> Any insight into what?s going on with AussieBB, seems a rather large >> outage is underway (i don?t have internet). Twitter thread showing >> widespread outage - >> https://twitter.com/Aussie_BB/status/1585493819872641025 also their >> website is offline with a Cloudflare error. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jon. >> -- >> Jonathan Morcom >> +61 407 556 331 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmorcom at morco.org Thu Oct 27 17:33:51 2022 From: jmorcom at morco.org (Jonathan Morcom) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 17:33:51 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Aussie Broadband Outage In-Reply-To: <43b1ba21-96f9-c029-3023-6f913b35ff9b@tncrew.com.au> References: <43b1ba21-96f9-c029-3023-6f913b35ff9b@tncrew.com.au> Message-ID: Didn't think to check whirlpool. A good idea though. Seems website was down due to load and not caching on CloudFlare. Yeh overall Aussie seem to do a decent job of transparency when things go wrong. On Thu, 27 Oct 2022, 5:11 pm Luke Thompson, wrote: > A few things that are worth adding: > > 1. We're on Enterprise Ethernet with ABB, and all is well. Not a peep. So > enterprise-grade verification = box ticked. > > 2. Their initial comms around the incident indicated no update for 2-5 > hours, so from the outset it was classed as major. > > 3. Phil has been incredibly responsive, transparent and "real" as always. > So this is very much being handled the Aussie way! > > Cheers, > Luke > > On 27/10/2022 5:04 pm, Luke Thompson wrote: > > They're being quite reserved thus far. > > Though on Whirlpool, Phil Britt has said: > > > > > > *"The change was very minor, simply adding a new customer IP range which > is done all the time. Looks like it has slipped through some validation > checks. Automation is the ability to break things at scale unfortunately. > We need to do better in this space. I accept that. And we will."* > > Cheers, > Luke Thompson > Chief Technical Officer > > The Network Crew Pty Ltd > https://thenetworkcrew.com.au > > > On 27/10/2022 5:00 pm, Jonathan Morcom wrote: > > Hi list, > > Any insight into what?s going on with AussieBB, seems a rather large > outage is underway (i don?t have internet). Twitter thread showing > widespread outage - > https://twitter.com/Aussie_BB/status/1585493819872641025 also their > website is offline with a Cloudflare error. > > Kind Regards, > > Jon. > -- > Jonathan Morcom > +61 407 556 331 > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing listAusNOG at ausnog.nethttps://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, 27 Oct 2022, 6:54 pm Noel Butler, wrote: > pfft, why use whingepool when you can post off topic ISP help-me's on a > network opers list in violation of list charter > > > On 27/10/2022 16:33, Jonathan Morcom wrote: > > Didn't think to check whirlpool. A good idea though. Seems website was > down due to load and not caching on CloudFlare. > > Yeh overall Aussie seem to do a decent job of transparency when things go > wrong. > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > Noel Butler > > This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged > information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to > copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this > message without the authors express written authority to do so. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all > copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality, > copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the > mistaken delivery of this message. > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noel.butler at ausics.net Fri Oct 28 07:46:39 2022 From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 06:46:39 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Aussie Broadband Outage In-Reply-To: References: <43b1ba21-96f9-c029-3023-6f913b35ff9b@tncrew.com.au> <6985b02d0b1efdcce4eb5e300cdf154f@ausics.net> Message-ID: <68e0422527ad9f5b2421aa40a67bef1c@ausics.net> On 243.129.192.0/18 7/10/2022 19:46, Evan Dent wrote: > Off topic sure, but often large scale ISP outages such as these foster > positive conversation about the industry. So is it really off topic? Yes, as everyone has been reminded by David several times before, as a subscriber you should be familiar with the list charter, for all the rest you have whingepool and other public forums like overclockers etc... On Thu, 27 Oct 2022, 6:54 pm Noel Butler, wrote: pfft, why use whingepool when you can post off topic ISP help-me's on a network opers list in violation of list charter On 27/10/2022 16:33, Jonathan Morcom wrote: Didn't think to check whirlpool. A good idea though. Seems website was down due to load and not caching on CloudFlare. Yeh overall Aussie seem to do a decent job of transparency when things go wrong. -- Regards, Noel Butler This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so. 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