From Ben.Ricardo at acs.com.au Wed Nov 2 10:49:51 2022 From: Ben.Ricardo at acs.com.au (Ben Ricardo) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 23:49:51 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Message-ID: Hi All, Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my commitment to the greater good.... Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support standards and my "Subscription Renewal is Conform" has come up! Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Wed Nov 2 10:57:54 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 23:57:54 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Number: 61897460958 Allocated Carrier : 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd Current Carrier 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd 3rd Party Port [close.png] Charging Zone BUNBURY Call Collection Areas Name BUNBURY Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Ben Ricardo wrote: ? Hi All, Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my commitment to the greater good?. Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support standards and my ?Subscription Renewal is Conform? has come up! Ben _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: close.png Type: image/png Size: 1162 bytes Desc: close.png URL: From dirk at twofatmonkeys.com Wed Nov 2 10:59:21 2022 From: dirk at twofatmonkeys.com (Two Fat Monkeys - Dirk Bermingham) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2022 23:59:21 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87968bfe-eb6b-4be3-86d9-b4cc72f25e74@mtasv.net> That one is with Symbio, flick them a message on their abuse email. From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Ben Ricardo Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 10:50 AM To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Hi All, Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my commitment to the greater good.... Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support standards and my "Subscription Renewal is Conform" has come up! Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Ben.Ricardo at acs.com.au Wed Nov 2 11:17:41 2022 From: Ben.Ricardo at acs.com.au (Ben Ricardo) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 00:17:41 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Nathan et.al. I?ll chase it with Symbio Is there a public or CSP level tool for looking these sorts of things up? Obviously for mail / IPs etc. there are many tools which we can and do use for reporting local Country launchpads but there doesn?t seem to be anything that we can use for numbers. Ben From: Nathan Brookfield Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 10:58 AM To: Ben Ricardo Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Number: 61897460958 Allocated Carrier : 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd Current Carrier 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd 3rd Party Port [cid:image001.png at 01D8EEAC.B5A848C0] Charging Zone BUNBURY Call Collection Areas Name BUNBURY Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Ben Ricardo > wrote: ? Hi All, Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my commitment to the greater good?. Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support standards and my ?Subscription Renewal is Conform? has come up! Ben _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 1162 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Wed Nov 2 11:34:06 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 00:34:06 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92AC0AFD-CEAF-4DCB-9CFA-8A6599EE3788@iperium.com.au> I?m not sure if this is something that anybody has exposed publicly, we have an internal tool we?ve built to quality for LNP. Nathan Brookfield On 2 Nov 2022, at 10:17, Ben Ricardo wrote: ? Thanks Nathan et.al. I?ll chase it with Symbio Is there a public or CSP level tool for looking these sorts of things up? Obviously for mail / IPs etc. there are many tools which we can and do use for reporting local Country launchpads but there doesn?t seem to be anything that we can use for numbers. Ben From: Nathan Brookfield Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 10:58 AM To: Ben Ricardo Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Number: 61897460958 Allocated Carrier : 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd Current Carrier 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd 3rd Party Port Charging Zone BUNBURY Call Collection Areas Name BUNBURY Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Ben Ricardo > wrote: ? Hi All, Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my commitment to the greater good?. Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support standards and my ?Subscription Renewal is Conform? has come up! Ben _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 1162 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From drikusinaus at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 15:51:50 2022 From: drikusinaus at gmail.com (Drikus Brits) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 15:51:50 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam In-Reply-To: <92AC0AFD-CEAF-4DCB-9CFA-8A6599EE3788@iperium.com.au> References: <92AC0AFD-CEAF-4DCB-9CFA-8A6599EE3788@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: Is it something that can be exposed publicly without a subscription of sorts? Regards, On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 11:34 AM Nathan Brookfield < Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote: > I?m not sure if this is something that anybody has exposed publicly, we > have an internal tool we?ve built to quality for LNP. > > *Nathan Brookfield* > > On 2 Nov 2022, at 10:17, Ben Ricardo wrote: > > ? > > Thanks Nathan et.al. > > I?ll chase it with Symbio > > > > Is there a public or CSP level tool for looking these sorts of things up? > > Obviously for mail / IPs etc. there are many tools which we can and do use > for reporting local Country launchpads but there doesn?t seem to be > anything that we can use for numbers. > > > > Ben > > > > *From:* Nathan Brookfield > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 November 2022 10:58 AM > *To:* Ben Ricardo > *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam > > > > Number: > > 61897460958 > > Allocated Carrier : > > 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd > > Current Carrier > > 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd > > 3rd Party Port > > > > Charging Zone > > BUNBURY > > Call Collection Areas > > Name > > BUNBURY > > > > *Nathan Brookfield * > General Manager > > *p*: 1300 592 330 | *m*: 0412 266 008 | *w*: https://Iperium.com.au > > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > *Your Connectivity Team* > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This > electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, > contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and > otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual > property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the > information contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, > please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any > computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by > reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are > solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of > Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient > should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. > Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted > by this email. > > > On 2 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Ben Ricardo wrote: > > ? > > Hi All, > > Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am > happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my > commitment to the greater good?. > > Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. > > > > Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are > advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) > > > > Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support > standards and my ?Subscription Renewal is Conform? has come up! > > > > Ben > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhys at nexusone.com.au Wed Nov 2 16:53:56 2022 From: rhys at nexusone.com.au (Rhys Hanrahan) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 05:53:56 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam In-Reply-To: References: <92AC0AFD-CEAF-4DCB-9CFA-8A6599EE3788@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: Hi all, Just thought I?d add that there is a publicly available tool for those that don?t have their own which uses the official ACMA data set: https://www.thenumberingsystem.com.au/#/number-register/search - looks like it?d have roughly the same info that Nathan has listed. Have to search in 0NSN format only. Hope this helps! Rhys Hanrahan | Chief Information Officer e: rhys at nexusone.com.au [www.nexusone.com.au] [signature_1237010360] NEXUS ONE | FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS p: 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565 845 | a: Suite 12.03 Level 12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 www.nexusone.com.au | www.fusiontech.com.au The information in this email and any accompanying attachments may contain; a. Confidential information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; and or c. Copyright material Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd does not accept any responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use or distribution of this email. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: AusNOG on behalf of Drikus Brits Date: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 at 3:52 pm To: Nathan Brookfield Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Is it something that can be exposed publicly without a subscription of sorts? Regards, On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 11:34 AM Nathan Brookfield > wrote: I?m not sure if this is something that anybody has exposed publicly, we have an internal tool we?ve built to quality for LNP. Nathan Brookfield On 2 Nov 2022, at 10:17, Ben Ricardo > wrote: Thanks Nathan et.al. I?ll chase it with Symbio Is there a public or CSP level tool for looking these sorts of things up? Obviously for mail / IPs etc. there are many tools which we can and do use for reporting local Country launchpads but there doesn?t seem to be anything that we can use for numbers. Ben From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 10:58 AM To: Ben Ricardo > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Number: 61897460958 Allocated Carrier : 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd Current Carrier 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd 3rd Party Port Charging Zone BUNBURY Call Collection Areas Name BUNBURY Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Ben Ricardo > wrote: Hi All, Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my commitment to the greater good?. Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support standards and my ?Subscription Renewal is Conform? has come up! Ben _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13851 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 9103 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From jeremy at resolvergroup.com.au Wed Nov 2 17:05:56 2022 From: jeremy at resolvergroup.com.au (Jeremy Chequer) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 06:05:56 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam In-Reply-To: References: <92AC0AFD-CEAF-4DCB-9CFA-8A6599EE3788@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: The Numbering System only shows the original carrier (Allocated Carrier in Nathan?s screenshot). It doesn?t account for any porting of the number as it is handled separately. The Current Carrier could potentially be wrong in the event that the number has been ported in the past, if relying on just the numbering system. Cheers Jeremy Chequer Chief Operating Officer ? Group Resolver Group | Check Networks Check Technology Group Pty Ltd Carrier Licence (Data): 592 Carrier Access Code (Voice): 1424 From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Rhys Hanrahan Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 3:54 PM To: Drikus Brits ; Nathan Brookfield Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Hi all, Just thought I?d add that there is a publicly available tool for those that don?t have their own which uses the official ACMA data set: https://www.thenumberingsystem.com.au/#/number-register/search - looks like it?d have roughly the same info that Nathan has listed. Have to search in 0NSN format only. Hope this helps! Rhys Hanrahan | Chief Information Officer e: rhys at nexusone.com.au [www.nexusone.com.au] [signature_1237010360] NEXUS ONE | FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS p: 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565 845 | a: Suite 12.03 Level 12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 www.nexusone.com.au | www.fusiontech.com.au The information in this email and any accompanying attachments may contain; a. Confidential information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; and or c. Copyright material Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd does not accept any responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use or distribution of this email. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: AusNOG > on behalf of Drikus Brits > Date: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 at 3:52 pm To: Nathan Brookfield > Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Is it something that can be exposed publicly without a subscription of sorts? Regards, On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 11:34 AM Nathan Brookfield > wrote: I?m not sure if this is something that anybody has exposed publicly, we have an internal tool we?ve built to quality for LNP. Nathan Brookfield On 2 Nov 2022, at 10:17, Ben Ricardo > wrote: Thanks Nathan et.al. I?ll chase it with Symbio Is there a public or CSP level tool for looking these sorts of things up? Obviously for mail / IPs etc. there are many tools which we can and do use for reporting local Country launchpads but there doesn?t seem to be anything that we can use for numbers. Ben From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 10:58 AM To: Ben Ricardo > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Number: 61897460958 Allocated Carrier : 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd Current Carrier 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd 3rd Party Port Charging Zone BUNBURY Call Collection Areas Name BUNBURY Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Ben Ricardo > wrote: Hi All, Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my commitment to the greater good?. Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support standards and my ?Subscription Renewal is Conform? has come up! Ben _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13851 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 9103 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Wed Nov 2 17:23:31 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 06:23:31 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam In-Reply-To: References: <92AC0AFD-CEAF-4DCB-9CFA-8A6599EE3788@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: We do have this as a function for our customers in our Portal, if anybody would like an account to easily check this, you can sign up to our Portal at https://portal.iperium.com.au/register.php and shoot me a direct e-mail and I?ll approve your account. From: Jeremy Chequer Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 5:06 PM To: Rhys Hanrahan ; Drikus Brits ; Nathan Brookfield Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: RE: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam The Numbering System only shows the original carrier (Allocated Carrier in Nathan?s screenshot). It doesn?t account for any porting of the number as it is handled separately. The Current Carrier could potentially be wrong in the event that the number has been ported in the past, if relying on just the numbering system. Cheers Jeremy Chequer Chief Operating Officer ? Group Resolver Group | Check Networks Check Technology Group Pty Ltd Carrier Licence (Data): 592 Carrier Access Code (Voice): 1424 From: AusNOG > On Behalf Of Rhys Hanrahan Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 3:54 PM To: Drikus Brits >; Nathan Brookfield > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Hi all, Just thought I?d add that there is a publicly available tool for those that don?t have their own which uses the official ACMA data set: https://www.thenumberingsystem.com.au/#/number-register/search - looks like it?d have roughly the same info that Nathan has listed. Have to search in 0NSN format only. Hope this helps! Rhys Hanrahan | Chief Information Officer e: rhys at nexusone.com.au [www.nexusone.com.au] [signature_1237010360] NEXUS ONE | FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS p: 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565 845 | a: Suite 12.03 Level 12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 www.nexusone.com.au | www.fusiontech.com.au The information in this email and any accompanying attachments may contain; a. Confidential information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; and or c. Copyright material Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd does not accept any responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use or distribution of this email. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: AusNOG > on behalf of Drikus Brits > Date: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 at 3:52 pm To: Nathan Brookfield > Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Is it something that can be exposed publicly without a subscription of sorts? Regards, On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 11:34 AM Nathan Brookfield > wrote: I?m not sure if this is something that anybody has exposed publicly, we have an internal tool we?ve built to quality for LNP. Nathan Brookfield On 2 Nov 2022, at 10:17, Ben Ricardo > wrote: Thanks Nathan et.al. I?ll chase it with Symbio Is there a public or CSP level tool for looking these sorts of things up? Obviously for mail / IPs etc. there are many tools which we can and do use for reporting local Country launchpads but there doesn?t seem to be anything that we can use for numbers. Ben From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2022 10:58 AM To: Ben Ricardo > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] +61897460958 Scam Number: 61897460958 Allocated Carrier : 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd Current Carrier 17 - Symbio Networks Pty Ltd 3rd Party Port Charging Zone BUNBURY Call Collection Areas Name BUNBURY Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Ben Ricardo > wrote: Hi All, Not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this and am happy for others to point me in the right direction but due to my commitment to the greater good?. Whoever owns/supplies +61897460958 this number is being used by scammers. Just to clarify, scammers are not calling from this number, they are advertising for people to call this number (and be scammed when they do) Well, either that or McAfee have really lowered their helpdesk support standards and my ?Subscription Renewal is Conform? has come up! Ben _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image004.png Type: image/png Size: 13851 bytes Desc: image004.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Shane, There was a short broadcast event but our mitigation triggered and avoided any major impact outside of a couple of services that triggered moments before our own mitigation. Feel free to reach our support team via the support chat if you need any support regarding this but you should be fine to re-enable your port. Regards, Louis McLennan On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 at 09:45, Shane Fletcher wrote: > Hi All, > > Did anyone else observe a storm on MegaIX Sydney this morning? At approx > 9:40am ACDT, I saw log entries for " punt cause policer drop packet casue > 7" on the router, and moments later the switchport dropped into err-disable > for storm-control (currently set to "level 1.00" on a 1Ge port). > > Unfortunately I don't have much in the way of analytics to identify what > it actually was, or the source. > > Shane > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- *Louis McLennan* *Network Operations Engineering Manager* [image: Connect on LinkedIn] [image: Visit Megaport.com] [image: ISO/IEC 27001 Certified] This message and the information in or attached to it, is intended for the named addressee only and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it without retaining any copies and notify the sender. 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Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au On 8 Nov 2022, at 10:45, Shane Fletcher wrote: ? Hi All, Did anyone else observe a storm on MegaIX Sydney this morning? At approx 9:40am ACDT, I saw log entries for " punt cause policer drop packet casue 7" on the router, and moments later the switchport dropped into err-disable for storm-control (currently set to "level 1.00" on a 1Ge port). Unfortunately I don't have much in the way of analytics to identify what it actually was, or the source. Shane _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad at bradleyamm.com Sun Nov 13 15:35:55 2022 From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 04:35:55 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] =?utf-8?q?Server_Box=E2=80=99s?= Message-ID: Hey Guys and girls Does anyone in Perth area have any server boxes they don?t need. Need to send 6 back to out former corporate owners in the UK. Was just going to put them on pallet and send them via DHL but need 2 or 3 boxes to put them in Even better might be the big wooden containers that?s Dell or Cisco send huge servers and routers in :) Thanks heaps Sent from my iPhone From xrobau at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 07:37:56 2022 From: xrobau at gmail.com (Rob Thomas) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 06:37:56 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? Message-ID: The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling bits and pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) Emporium has finally managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS Shields built and they are sitting right next to me here in Australia, suitable for lego-esque construction of your own NTP server! These are being sold at pretty much cost - AUD$30 ex - as a pro-bono thing for those who want their very own Stratum 1 NTP server. All you need to do is supply your own Raspberry Pi or equivalent - you just need something with a clock speed over 1ghz and standard GPIO pins. But wait, there's more! You don't NEED to buy this specific hardware - if you already have a GPS device with a PPS signal, you can just fork and hack on the repo that started this: https://github.com/xrobau/rpi-ntp (Note: that locks down SSH to key only, and *only* puts my key in there, don't just run it blindly without at least adding your ssh pubkey!) This all started because we needed more IPv6 NTP servers in the Asia Pacific region, and it was annoyingly hard to find plug-and-play hardware. I'm really hoping that a bunch of you lot will buy a few, and put them up as public servers with IPv6 addresses on ntppool.org. https://freepbxhosting.com.au/s/gps-v1/ I also have them up on eBay, for $40 each, but that's for the public, not for the cool kids club that is AusNog. Currently I can only ship to AU and NZ, but that's purely because I'm lazy and haven't figured out the costs. For those outside the North, South and West islands of New Zealand, feel free to reach out to me off list with your address and I'll figure something out. --"Honest" Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.p.barnes at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 16:12:44 2022 From: chris.p.barnes at gmail.com (Chris Barnes) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:12:44 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Finally a timesource I can feel confident setting my watch to. On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 07:38, Rob Thomas wrote: > The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling bits and > pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) Emporium has finally > managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS Shields built and they are > sitting right next to me here in Australia, suitable for lego-esque > construction of your own NTP server! > > These are being sold at pretty much cost - AUD$30 ex - as a pro-bono thing > for those who want their very own Stratum 1 NTP server. All you need to do > is supply your own Raspberry Pi or equivalent - you just need something > with a clock speed over 1ghz and standard GPIO pins. > > But wait, there's more! You don't NEED to buy this specific hardware - if > you already have a GPS device with a PPS signal, you can just fork and hack > on the repo that started this: > > https://github.com/xrobau/rpi-ntp (Note: that locks down SSH to key > only, and *only* puts my key in there, don't just run it blindly without at > least adding your ssh pubkey!) > > This all started because we needed more IPv6 NTP servers in the Asia > Pacific region, and it was annoyingly hard to find plug-and-play hardware. > I'm really hoping that a bunch of you lot will buy a few, and put them up > as public servers with IPv6 addresses on ntppool.org. > > https://freepbxhosting.com.au/s/gps-v1/ > > I also have them up on eBay, for $40 each, but that's for the public, not > for the cool kids club that is AusNog. > > Currently I can only ship to AU and NZ, but that's purely because I'm lazy > and haven't figured out the costs. For those outside the North, South and > West islands of New Zealand, feel free to reach out to me off list with > your address and I'll figure something out. > > --"Honest" Rob > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Kind Regards, Christopher Barnes e. chris.p.barnes at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Mon Nov 14 16:26:35 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 05:26:35 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Honest Rob, ordered! This will go well in my Pi-Rack at home ? NB From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Rob Thomas Sent: Monday, 14 November 2022 7:38 AM To: Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling bits and pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) Emporium has finally managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS Shields built and they are sitting right next to me here in Australia, suitable for lego-esque construction of your own NTP server! These are being sold at pretty much cost - AUD$30 ex - as a pro-bono thing for those who want their very own Stratum 1 NTP server. All you need to do is supply your own Raspberry Pi or equivalent - you just need something with a clock speed over 1ghz and standard GPIO pins. But wait, there's more! You don't NEED to buy this specific hardware - if you already have a GPS device with a PPS signal, you can just fork and hack on the repo that started this: https://github.com/xrobau/rpi-ntp (Note: that locks down SSH to key only, and *only* puts my key in there, don't just run it blindly without at least adding your ssh pubkey!) This all started because we needed more IPv6 NTP servers in the Asia Pacific region, and it was annoyingly hard to find plug-and-play hardware. I'm really hoping that a bunch of you lot will buy a few, and put them up as public servers with IPv6 addresses on ntppool.org. https://freepbxhosting.com.au/s/gps-v1/ I also have them up on eBay, for $40 each, but that's for the public, not for the cool kids club that is AusNog. Currently I can only ship to AU and NZ, but that's purely because I'm lazy and haven't figured out the costs. For those outside the North, South and West islands of New Zealand, feel free to reach out to me off list with your address and I'll figure something out. --"Honest" Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sapage at sapage.net Mon Nov 14 16:30:42 2022 From: sapage at sapage.net (simon thomason) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:30:42 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77DF6C79-0281-4C67-99F1-5B588A7CEB51@sapage.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g2x at juliet.emu.st Mon Nov 14 16:44:24 2022 From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 05:44:24 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> On 14Nov22, Chris Barnes allegedly wrote: > Finally a timesource I can feel confident setting my watch to. > On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 07:38, Rob Thomas wrote: > > > The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling bits and > > pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) Emporium has finally > > managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS Shields built and they are > > sitting right next to me here in Australia, suitable for lego-esque > > construction of your own NTP server! While I'm a big fan of all who run their own Stratum 1 time servers and Rob providing a hat/shield to do so is fantastic news, but... ...be aware that the GPS signal is particularly weak and you almost certainly need to connect to an external antenna with specialized cabling to have any hope of getting a reliable signal. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but this is not a device you can install in your office (or home) server rack and expect to get signal. Ultimately it needs to see clear sky. And if you're thinking of installing this in a data-centre, forgeddaboutit. They charge crazy money to run a cable to an antenna on their roof. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely applaud the effort and I might buy one myself but just be aware of the antenna requirements which seem to have been downplayed in the original posts. Mark. From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Mon Nov 14 16:47:08 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 05:47:08 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: Absolutely true -----Original Message----- From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Monday, 14 November 2022 4:44 PM To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? On 14Nov22, Chris Barnes allegedly wrote: > Finally a timesource I can feel confident setting my watch to. > On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 07:38, Rob Thomas wrote: > > > The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling > > bits and pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) > > Emporium has finally managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS > > Shields built and they are sitting right next to me here in > > Australia, suitable for lego-esque construction of your own NTP server! While I'm a big fan of all who run their own Stratum 1 time servers and Rob providing a hat/shield to do so is fantastic news, but... ...be aware that the GPS signal is particularly weak and you almost certainly need to connect to an external antenna with specialized cabling to have any hope of getting a reliable signal. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but this is not a device you can install in your office (or home) server rack and expect to get signal. Ultimately it needs to see clear sky. And if you're thinking of installing this in a data-centre, forgeddaboutit. They charge crazy money to run a cable to an antenna on their roof. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely applaud the effort and I might buy one myself but just be aware of the antenna requirements which seem to have been downplayed in the original posts. Mark. _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Mon Nov 14 16:48:07 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 05:48:07 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: Absolutely true but that's why the board has a UFL/IPX so that you can throw an active antenna to somewehre that can see the sky, absolutely not going to work in a data centre but for home or an Office lab, absolutely acheivable. -----Original Message----- From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Mark Delany Sent: Monday, 14 November 2022 4:44 PM To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? On 14Nov22, Chris Barnes allegedly wrote: > Finally a timesource I can feel confident setting my watch to. > On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 07:38, Rob Thomas wrote: > > > The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling > > bits and pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) > > Emporium has finally managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS > > Shields built and they are sitting right next to me here in > > Australia, suitable for lego-esque construction of your own NTP server! While I'm a big fan of all who run their own Stratum 1 time servers and Rob providing a hat/shield to do so is fantastic news, but... ...be aware that the GPS signal is particularly weak and you almost certainly need to connect to an external antenna with specialized cabling to have any hope of getting a reliable signal. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but this is not a device you can install in your office (or home) server rack and expect to get signal. Ultimately it needs to see clear sky. And if you're thinking of installing this in a data-centre, forgeddaboutit. They charge crazy money to run a cable to an antenna on their roof. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely applaud the effort and I might buy one myself but just be aware of the antenna requirements which seem to have been downplayed in the original posts. Mark. _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From sapage at sapage.net Mon Nov 14 16:50:13 2022 From: sapage at sapage.net (S T) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:50:13 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: <77DF6C79-0281-4C67-99F1-5B588A7CEB51@sapage.net> References: <77DF6C79-0281-4C67-99F1-5B588A7CEB51@sapage.net> Message-ID: Hi Rob, I do really appreciate you documenting it all in the readme. Warms my heart :-) Cheers, Simon T. Seems the mailing list did not like my original email. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:26, Nathan Brookfield wrote: > > ? > > Thanks Honest Rob, ordered! > > > > This will go well in my Pi-Rack at home ? > > > > NB > > From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Rob Thomas > Sent: Monday, 14 November 2022 7:38 AM > To: > Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? > > > > The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling bits and pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) Emporium has finally managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS Shields built and they are sitting right next to me here in Australia, suitable for lego-esque construction of your own NTP server! > > > > These are being sold at pretty much cost - AUD$30 ex - as a pro-bono thing for those who want their very own Stratum 1 NTP server. All you need to do is supply your own Raspberry Pi or equivalent - you just need something with a clock speed over 1ghz and standard GPIO pins. > > > > But wait, there's more! You don't NEED to buy this specific hardware - if you already have a GPS device with a PPS signal, you can just fork and hack on the repo that started this: > > > > https://github.com/xrobau/rpi-ntp (Note: that locks down SSH to key only, and *only* puts my key in there, don't just run it blindly without at least adding your ssh pubkey!) > > > > This all started because we needed more IPv6 NTP servers in the Asia Pacific region, and it was annoyingly hard to find plug-and-play hardware. I'm really hoping that a bunch of you lot will buy a few, and put them up as public servers with IPv6 addresses on ntppool.org. > > > > https://freepbxhosting.com.au/s/gps-v1/ > > > > I also have them up on eBay, for $40 each, but that's for the public, not for the cool kids club that is AusNog. > > > > Currently I can only ship to AU and NZ, but that's purely because I'm lazy and haven't figured out the costs. For those outside the North, South and West islands of New Zealand, feel free to reach out to me off list with your address and I'll figure something out. > > > > --"Honest" Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From mmc at mmc.com.au Mon Nov 14 16:56:11 2022 From: mmc at mmc.com.au (Matthew Moyle-Croft) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:26:11 +1030 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: Mark isn't wrong. Large cloud builds I've been a part of - getting roof access for GPS antennas for this was ALWAYS a pain. I have a small GPS thing to help with a project to validate the various GNSS networks (https://galmon.eu) and unless the antenna is physically outside it's pretty much useless. Even windows with some metallic coating will almost completely block signals. On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 4:14 PM Mark Delany wrote: > On 14Nov22, Chris Barnes allegedly wrote: > > Finally a timesource I can feel confident setting my watch to. > > > On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 07:38, Rob Thomas wrote: > > > > > The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling bits > and > > > pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) Emporium has > finally > > > managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS Shields built and they are > > > sitting right next to me here in Australia, suitable for lego-esque > > > construction of your own NTP server! > > While I'm a big fan of all who run their own Stratum 1 time servers and > Rob providing a > hat/shield to do so is fantastic news, but... > > ...be aware that the GPS signal is particularly weak and you almost > certainly need to > connect to an external antenna with specialized cabling to have any hope > of getting a > reliable signal. > > I'm happy to be proved wrong, but this is not a device you can install in > your office (or > home) server rack and expect to get signal. Ultimately it needs to see > clear sky. > > And if you're thinking of installing this in a data-centre, > forgeddaboutit. They charge > crazy money to run a cable to an antenna on their roof. > > Don't get me wrong, I absolutely applaud the effort and I might buy one > myself but just be > aware of the antenna requirements which seem to have been downplayed in > the original > posts. > > > Mark. > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g2x at juliet.emu.st Mon Nov 14 16:59:04 2022 From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 05:59:04 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> On 14Nov22, Nathan Brookfield allegedly wrote: > Absolutely true but that's why the board has a UFL/IPX so that you can throw an active antenna to somewehre that can see the sky, absolutely not going to work in a data centre but for home or an Office lab, absolutely acheivable. Agreed. But lets be frank here. The antenna and cabling costs are likely to be orders of magnitude more than the shield/hat cost. I have absolutely no problem with that and have paid the price for other radio technologies (such as adsb) and I may well pay the price to deploy Rob's excellent shield. But I think ausnog members benefit from understanding the full BOM. Mark. From glp71s at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 17:01:29 2022 From: glp71s at gmail.com (Giles Pollock) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:01:29 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: Why run an antenna to the roof, when you can put the entire unit on the roof in a weatherproof enclosure? Then you only need to run Cat5e or better back down, which probably is already in place in most cases... Saves time and worry dealing with weak GPS signals and suitable antennas/coax feeds... If you can't move the signal to the device, move the device to the signal! On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 4:59 PM Mark Delany wrote: > On 14Nov22, Nathan Brookfield allegedly wrote: > > Absolutely true but that's why the board has a UFL/IPX so that you can > throw an active antenna to somewehre that can see the sky, absolutely not > going to work in a data centre but for home or an Office lab, absolutely > acheivable. > > Agreed. But lets be frank here. The antenna and cabling costs are likely > to be orders of > magnitude more than the shield/hat cost. > > I have absolutely no problem with that and have paid the price for other > radio > technologies (such as adsb) and I may well pay the price to deploy Rob's > excellent > shield. But I think ausnog members benefit from understanding the full BOM. > > > Mark. > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oliver at monoxane.io Mon Nov 14 17:56:31 2022 From: oliver at monoxane.io (Oliver Herrmann) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 06:56:31 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: Having the device external to the building with a direct trusted connection to your network sounds awfully secure :P Even if someone wanted to interfere or mock the GPS antenna signal the worst thing that?s gonna happen is NTP/PTP sync problems and your domain controller going ?nope, no kerberos here?. Having multiple redundant clock leaders with their own GPS antennas on different sides of the building stops that sort of attack pretty well. On 14 Nov 2022, at 5:01 pm, Giles Pollock > wrote: Why run an antenna to the roof, when you can put the entire unit on the roof in a weatherproof enclosure? Then you only need to run Cat5e or better back down, which probably is already in place in most cases... Saves time and worry dealing with weak GPS signals and suitable antennas/coax feeds... If you can't move the signal to the device, move the device to the signal! On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 4:59 PM Mark Delany > wrote: On 14Nov22, Nathan Brookfield allegedly wrote: > Absolutely true but that's why the board has a UFL/IPX so that you can throw an active antenna to somewehre that can see the sky, absolutely not going to work in a data centre but for home or an Office lab, absolutely acheivable. Agreed. But lets be frank here. The antenna and cabling costs are likely to be orders of magnitude more than the shield/hat cost. I have absolutely no problem with that and have paid the price for other radio technologies (such as adsb) and I may well pay the price to deploy Rob's excellent shield. But I think ausnog members benefit from understanding the full BOM. Mark. _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaedwards at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 19:22:32 2022 From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:52:32 +1030 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: FWIW, when I was working with vendor-H design folks on building an LTE/5G network in 2016, best practice was to move away from using GPS for time sync on mobile sites and trust Synchronous Ethernet from central sources instead. This gets around the problems of urban canyons, tunnels, or just clouds. It also meant there was one less device to fail or need maintenance at each location. That particular network did some magic tricks that shared TDD spectrum between adjacent towers, so sync was very important. John On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 16:26, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: > Mark isn't wrong. Large cloud builds I've been a part of - getting roof > access for GPS antennas for this was ALWAYS a pain. > > I have a small GPS thing to help with a project to validate the various > GNSS networks (https://galmon.eu) and unless the antenna is physically > outside it's pretty much useless. Even windows with some metallic coating > will almost completely block signals. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 4:14 PM Mark Delany wrote: > >> On 14Nov22, Chris Barnes allegedly wrote: >> > Finally a timesource I can feel confident setting my watch to. >> >> > On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 07:38, Rob Thomas wrote: >> > >> > > The good news is, you now can! After about 6 months of wrangling >> bits and >> > > pieces together, "Honest" Rob's Used Car (and VoIP) Emporium has >> finally >> > > managed to get a bunch of custom made GPS Shields built and they are >> > > sitting right next to me here in Australia, suitable for lego-esque >> > > construction of your own NTP server! >> >> While I'm a big fan of all who run their own Stratum 1 time servers and >> Rob providing a >> hat/shield to do so is fantastic news, but... >> >> ...be aware that the GPS signal is particularly weak and you almost >> certainly need to >> connect to an external antenna with specialized cabling to have any hope >> of getting a >> reliable signal. >> >> I'm happy to be proved wrong, but this is not a device you can install in >> your office (or >> home) server rack and expect to get signal. Ultimately it needs to see >> clear sky. >> >> And if you're thinking of installing this in a data-centre, >> forgeddaboutit. They charge >> crazy money to run a cable to an antenna on their roof. >> >> Don't get me wrong, I absolutely applaud the effort and I might buy one >> myself but just be >> aware of the antenna requirements which seem to have been downplayed in >> the original >> posts. >> >> >> Mark. >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g2x at juliet.emu.st Tue Nov 15 03:18:36 2022 From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:18:36 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1668442716.054-0x11c50b@qmda.emu.st> On 14Nov22, John Edwards allegedly wrote: > FWIW, when I was working with vendor-H design folks on building an LTE/5G > network in 2016, best practice was to move away from using GPS for time > sync on mobile sites and trust Synchronous Ethernet from central sources > instead. Is this mainly for high-density micro-sites? And by "Synchronous Ethernet" do you mean PTP? I also presume these "central sources" ultimately get traceable time from GPS. I ask because I still see cell towers being deployed today with provision for GPS equipment. In fact Telstra have proposed one near by and the public schematics clearly show GPS kit. But that's more your traditional urban monster sitting 30+ meters off the ground. I can easily imagine that for 5G micro-sites deployed in every second building in a city, that a centralized dissemination model makes a lot of sense, but it's still at heart GPS-based, tho likely something a little more sophisticated than a $40 hat/shield :-) > tunnels, or just clouds Tunnels. Sure. But clouds are not a problem. As I understand it, the US military are rather keen on being able to target their munitions in all weather conditions. Mark. From jaedwards at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 10:03:58 2022 From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 09:33:58 +1030 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1668442716.054-0x11c50b@qmda.emu.st> References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668442716.054-0x11c50b@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 at 02:48, Mark Delany wrote: > On 14Nov22, John Edwards allegedly wrote: > > best practice was to move away from using GPS for time > > sync on mobile sites and trust Synchronous Ethernet from central sources > > instead. > > Is this mainly for high-density micro-sites? > In this instance yes, it's a natural fit for small cells which might be indoors. > And by "Synchronous Ethernet" do you mean PTP? > Yes, I mean IEEE 1588 or ITU-T G.8261/G.8262/G.8264, usually found on higher-end metro ethernet switches, aka PTP. I also presume these "central sources" ultimately get traceable time from > GPS. > I don't think there's anything that stops the operator using their own nuclear clock, but yes. > I ask because I still see cell towers being deployed today with provision > for GPS > equipment. > The Australian mobile network ecosystem has evolved differently to how the rest of the world provides mobile networks, we have some of the most expensive mobile networks globally, although we do get some of the best urban coverage for those high monthly plans. SyncE networks still allow for local GPS, at the end of the day it's about synchronisation rather than orchestration. GPS itself is a network of 31 moving satellites that happen to be in sync, it's about trusting the process rather than any individual device. Pour one out for Australia's DGPS that was turned off in 2020. I can easily imagine that for 5G micro-sites deployed in every second > building in a city, > 5G mmWave doesn't even go through glass. Think: every floor in every commercial building, assuming that an application emerges that warrants 10gbps on mobile devices. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xrobau at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 16:45:24 2022 From: xrobau at gmail.com (Rob Thomas) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:45:24 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 15:59, Mark Delany wrote: > Agreed. But lets be frank here. The antenna and cabling costs are likely to be orders of > magnitude more than the shield/hat cost. And that's pretty much the point, and is ALSO the reason why I went to all this trouble. Once someone (yay me) has actually MADE the thing to be as lego-like as possible, the software is super trivial, so all you guys need to do is get the (who knows how much) Pi-or-Compatible, a patch lead ($3, ebay),and an active antenna ($10, ebay) Re software- almost the entirety of the config is here, in ntpsec.conf: https://github.com/xrobau/rpi-ntp/blob/master/conf/ntp.conf and the other knobs that I've twiddled to MY satisfactions in the playbook and config.txt. The only new thing is that there's the extremely-suspiciously-poorly-documented "Stationary mode" which uBlox added as a precursor to the 'T' series of devices, and after you cast the magic incantations (see the Makefile), it apparently compares quite well to a $200 T-series chip. Notably, if you're caring that much about nanosecond-drift-over-hours, then you'll have three in a temperature controlled environment, with disparate antennas and calculate a quorum from there. And use T series devices. Most people HERE I suspect aren't needing that much accuracy 8) The only thing I'm slightly regretting is not making a CEO model. It'll be exactly the same as the $30 one, but it'll cost $300, and you can show it to your CEO and say you're getting the expensive model, because the expensive one is better! There's about 40 left at the time of writing this, if anyone's tossing up getting some before I run out. Please don't think this is a 'BUY IT NOW OR MISS OUT FOREVER' thing - if I need to, I'll order some more, and will sell them at cost to the AusNOG community, because I'm a selfish bastard who wants more ipv6 and less ipv4 - Even if you don't give it an ipv6 address 8) The stock level on the ordering page SHOULD be accurate - https://freepbxhosting.com.au/s/gps-v1/ --Rob From g2x at juliet.emu.st Tue Nov 15 17:08:08 2022 From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 06:08:08 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1668492488.562-0xa41ce3@qmda.emu.st> On 15Nov22, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > get the (who knows how much) Pi-or-Compatible, a patch lead ($3, > ebay),and an active antenna ($10, ebay) Links for patch lead and antenna? Mark. PS. My order is in. Should be fun to play with. From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 16 18:32:18 2022 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 15:32:18 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Nov 2022, Giles Pollock wrote: > Why run an antenna to the roof, when you can put the entire unit on the roof in a weatherproof enclosure? Then you only need to > run Cat5e or better back down, which probably is already in place in most cases... > Saves time and worry dealing with weak GPS signals and suitable antennas/coax feeds... If you can't move the signal to the > device, move the device to the signal! If you do want something all-in-one with PoE, the LeoNTP is available again for pre-order. It is a lot more expensive at ?420 (plus GST?) but it is also rated to 100,000 clients per second. In 2016 got one free in exchange for hosting it in the NTP Pool, and it handled peaks of 45,000 pps on the hour or half-hour without a sweat (other parts of my network melted though). The shop also has GPS antennas and extension cables. https://store.uputronics.com/index.php?route=product%2Fproduct&product_id=92 https://www.ntppool.org/en/ -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From david at hughes.id Fri Nov 18 11:22:34 2022 From: david at hughes.id (david at hughes.id) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:22:34 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] V.Fast and NBN VDSL coexistence Message-ID: <81661BDD-40D1-45B2-A46B-3DC83FB60D0A@hughes.id> Morning all What's the current situation with coexistence of V.Fast on the same cable bundle as NBN provisioned VDSL2? Is there still a problem with VDSL Vectoring and V.Fast's "crosstalk cancellation" stomping on each other? What about multiple V.Fast installations (i.e. multiple carriers with G.Fast kit) in addition to VDSL signalling from an NBN node or FTTB? Any insights would be appreciated. Thanks David ... From david at hughes.id Fri Nov 18 11:48:58 2022 From: david at hughes.id (David Hughes) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:48:58 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] G.Fast and NBN VDSL coexistence In-Reply-To: <81661BDD-40D1-45B2-A46B-3DC83FB60D0A@hughes.id> References: <81661BDD-40D1-45B2-A46B-3DC83FB60D0A@hughes.id> Message-ID: <7252DCC3-ABCC-40F6-9594-BC7663341542@hughes.id> Ahhh, my fingers are even fatter than normal this morning. Clearly I'm asking about G.Fast not the mythical V.Fast :-) > On 18 Nov 2022, at 10:22 am, david at hughes.id wrote: > > Morning all > > What's the current situation with coexistence of V.Fast on the same cable bundle as NBN provisioned VDSL2? Is there still a problem with VDSL Vectoring and V.Fast's "crosstalk cancellation" stomping on each other? What about multiple V.Fast installations (i.e. multiple carriers with G.Fast kit) in addition to VDSL signalling from an NBN node or FTTB? Any insights would be appreciated. > > > Thanks > > David > ... > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From jaedwards at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 13:31:58 2022 From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:01:58 +1030 Subject: [AusNOG] V.Fast and NBN VDSL coexistence In-Reply-To: <81661BDD-40D1-45B2-A46B-3DC83FB60D0A@hughes.id> References: <81661BDD-40D1-45B2-A46B-3DC83FB60D0A@hughes.id> Message-ID: Hi David, CommsAlliance G658 is the document for this, here's one that does mention G.Fast: https://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/62321/C658_1_2019.pdf The working group for this is CommsAlliance W93 which mentions an expectation that it will align with ITU-T G.9700. My take, based on some dusty knowledge of VDSL2 vs ADSL2, rather than any recent field experience: Because G.Fast uses a very different spacing for its subcarriers, I imagine that it can't easily interoperate with VDSL2 vectoring. The smaller carrier size of VDSL2 is going to make it less susceptible to errors from interference, the same way old 20Mhz WiFi beats 40Mhz and 80Mhz channels on newer hardware. VDSL2 goes up to 35Mhz, whereas G.Fast can use 106MHZ of cable bandwidth, so I suspect it will only be able to fully realise the vectoring benefit for the spectrum above 35Mhz. Below that the DSLAM is going to have to cut 48Khz chunks (about 400kbps) out of VDSL2 in order to give right-of-way to G.fast. This might be a viable strategy if VDSL2 is only used to deliver "up to" 100mbps, but the current power-spectral-density masking approach doesn't specifically allow for this. My understanding of top-level Vectoring is that it only works if all of the services in the bundle are connected to the same DSLAM anyway, which rules out multiple carriers on the same bundle. I believe it would be possible to use lower-level vectoring to "bully" more compliant systems out of the way, but good luck getting your vendor to add that as a feature. John On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 at 10:52, wrote: > Morning all > > What's the current situation with coexistence of V.Fast on the same cable > bundle as NBN provisioned VDSL2? Is there still a problem with VDSL > Vectoring and V.Fast's "crosstalk cancellation" stomping on each other? > What about multiple V.Fast installations (i.e. multiple carriers with > G.Fast kit) in addition to VDSL signalling from an NBN node or FTTB? Any > insights would be appreciated. > > > Thanks > > David > ... > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at hughes.id Fri Nov 18 14:06:22 2022 From: david at hughes.id (David Hughes) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:06:22 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] G.Fast and NBN VDSL coexistence In-Reply-To: References: <81661BDD-40D1-45B2-A46B-3DC83FB60D0A@hughes.id> Message-ID: Hi John So I'm guess if Carrier ABC turns up and installs G.Fast into a building it could mask out the VDSL frequencies and they may happily co-exist with NBN services. But, if down the track Carrier XYZ wants to sell G.Fast into that same building they're stuffed because you couldn't have more than 1 x G.Fast DSLAM on the same bundle. David ... > On 18 Nov 2022, at 12:31 pm, John Edwards wrote: > > Hi David, > > CommsAlliance G658 is the document for this, here's one that does mention G.Fast: > https://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/62321/C658_1_2019.pdf > > The working group for this is CommsAlliance W93 which mentions an expectation that it will align with ITU-T G.9700. > > My take, based on some dusty knowledge of VDSL2 vs ADSL2, rather than any recent field experience: > > Because G.Fast uses a very different spacing for its subcarriers, I imagine that it can't easily interoperate with VDSL2 vectoring. > > The smaller carrier size of VDSL2 is going to make it less susceptible to errors from interference, the same way old 20Mhz WiFi beats 40Mhz and 80Mhz channels on newer hardware. > > VDSL2 goes up to 35Mhz, whereas G.Fast can use 106MHZ of cable bandwidth, so I suspect it will only be able to fully realise the vectoring benefit for the spectrum above 35Mhz. Below that the DSLAM is going to have to cut 48Khz chunks (about 400kbps) out of VDSL2 in order to give right-of-way to G.fast. > > This might be a viable strategy if VDSL2 is only used to deliver "up to" 100mbps, but the current power-spectral-density masking approach doesn't specifically allow for this. > > My understanding of top-level Vectoring is that it only works if all of the services in the bundle are connected to the same DSLAM anyway, which rules out multiple carriers on the same bundle. I believe it would be possible to use lower-level vectoring to "bully" more compliant systems out of the way, but good luck getting your vendor to add that as a feature. > > John > > > On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 at 10:52, > wrote: > Morning all > > What's the current situation with coexistence of V.Fast on the same cable bundle as NBN provisioned VDSL2? Is there still a problem with VDSL Vectoring and V.Fast's "crosstalk cancellation" stomping on each other? What about multiple V.Fast installations (i.e. multiple carriers with G.Fast kit) in addition to VDSL signalling from an NBN node or FTTB? Any insights would be appreciated. > > > Thanks > > David > ... > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaedwards at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:32:20 2022 From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:02:20 +1030 Subject: [AusNOG] G.Fast and NBN VDSL coexistence In-Reply-To: References: <81661BDD-40D1-45B2-A46B-3DC83FB60D0A@hughes.id> Message-ID: I think it will be fine. In the scenario where a building has 3 xDSL providers I think they will be more worried about being commercially viable than what happens in the matrix maths of an underlying layer 1 protocol. If there's enough user density in a modern apartment building to cause crosstalk that can overwhelm cat5e cabling, then the residents already have a bigger problem with WiFi interference which will be blamed for any packet loss. Vectoring competing for the same DMT bins will manifest itself as line errors, which most consumer devices don't even measure. The DSLAM profile will almost certainly have forward error correction turned on which will smooth out crosstalk bumps and TCP will correct the rest. The entire building's speeds will slow a few mbps, but ISP tech support will have a script saying that this is normal for a service with "up to" 300mbps so they won't send out a tech to investigate unless it's under 12mbps. The G.Fast users with vectoring competition will still get a more consistent high speed service than the apartments who chose a fixed 5G broadband product. At the end of the day, G.fast will open up an additional 65Mhz of point-to-point spectrum, which has to be a net positive. John On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 at 13:36, David Hughes wrote: > Hi John > > So I'm guess if Carrier ABC turns up and installs G.Fast into a building > it could mask out the VDSL frequencies and they may happily co-exist with > NBN services. But, if down the track Carrier XYZ wants to sell G.Fast into > that same building they're stuffed because you couldn't have more than 1 x > G.Fast DSLAM on the same bundle. > > > David > ... > > On 18 Nov 2022, at 12:31 pm, John Edwards wrote: > > Hi David, > > CommsAlliance G658 is the document for this, here's one that does mention > G.Fast: > > https://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/62321/C658_1_2019.pdf > > The working group for this is CommsAlliance W93 which mentions an > expectation that it will align with ITU-T G.9700. > > My take, based on some dusty knowledge of VDSL2 vs ADSL2, rather than any > recent field experience: > > Because G.Fast uses a very different spacing for its subcarriers, I > imagine that it can't easily interoperate with VDSL2 vectoring. > > The smaller carrier size of VDSL2 is going to make it less susceptible to > errors from interference, the same way old 20Mhz WiFi beats 40Mhz and 80Mhz > channels on newer hardware. > > VDSL2 goes up to 35Mhz, whereas G.Fast can use 106MHZ of cable bandwidth, > so I suspect it will only be able to fully realise the vectoring benefit > for the spectrum above 35Mhz. Below that the DSLAM is going to have to cut > 48Khz chunks (about 400kbps) out of VDSL2 in order to give right-of-way to > G.fast. > > This might be a viable strategy if VDSL2 is only used to deliver "up to" > 100mbps, but the current power-spectral-density masking approach doesn't > specifically allow for this. > > My understanding of top-level Vectoring is that it only works if all of > the services in the bundle are connected to the same DSLAM anyway, which > rules out multiple carriers on the same bundle. I believe it would be > possible to use lower-level vectoring to "bully" more compliant systems out > of the way, but good luck getting your vendor to add that as a feature. > > John > > > On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 at 10:52, wrote: > >> Morning all >> >> What's the current situation with coexistence of V.Fast on the same cable >> bundle as NBN provisioned VDSL2? Is there still a problem with VDSL >> Vectoring and V.Fast's "crosstalk cancellation" stomping on each other? >> What about multiple V.Fast installations (i.e. multiple carriers with >> G.Fast kit) in addition to VDSL signalling from an NBN node or FTTB? Any >> insights would be appreciated. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> David >> ... >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From diosbejgli at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 11:45:19 2022 From: diosbejgli at gmail.com (Andras Toth) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:45:19 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Help with a local developer In-Reply-To: <4cffc6369b7e4f6cbf5dda475e4c61e0@unitedip.net.au> References: <4cffc6369b7e4f6cbf5dda475e4c61e0@unitedip.net.au> Message-ID: Amazon Lightsail is a fixed cost and the pricing is comparable to other VPS providers: https://aws.amazon.com/free/compute/lightsail/ On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:25 AM Sam Sarkis-UIP wrote: > Hey All, > > > > We have a customer wanting to switch away from their current web developer > and their hosting with AWS. > > > > Can anyone recommend someone locally in Australia that can take over > supporting/developing the site and recommending hosting the site. (cheaper > than AWS and preferably a fixed cost) > > > > Ruby on Rails for the backend with the frontend components using React and > Bootstrap. The database is PostgreSQL. > > > > Thanks > > > > Regards > > > > Sam > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ianbrown78 at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 12:10:01 2022 From: ianbrown78 at gmail.com (Ian Brown) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:10:01 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Help with a local developer In-Reply-To: References: <4cffc6369b7e4f6cbf5dda475e4c61e0@unitedip.net.au> Message-ID: Hey Sam, I usually deploy my apps to GKE if the client has the budget, otherwise I will use EngineYard or Heroku. If the budget is too tight for those, then a simple BinaryLane VM for $30 p/mth is the way to go. But then it is up to them to manage the machine and app lifecycle. Depending on what other applications the app depends on (MQTT, Redis, ElasticSearch, etc), these might be a good alternative. Cheers, Ian On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 10:45, Andras Toth wrote: > Amazon Lightsail is a fixed cost and the pricing is comparable to other > VPS providers: https://aws.amazon.com/free/compute/lightsail/ > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:25 AM Sam Sarkis-UIP > wrote: > >> Hey All, >> >> >> >> We have a customer wanting to switch away from their current web >> developer and their hosting with AWS. >> >> >> >> Can anyone recommend someone locally in Australia that can take over >> supporting/developing the site and recommending hosting the site. (cheaper >> than AWS and preferably a fixed cost) >> >> >> >> Ruby on Rails for the backend with the frontend components using React >> and Bootstrap. The database is PostgreSQL. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Sam >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssarkis at unitedip.net.au Tue Nov 22 20:40:51 2022 From: ssarkis at unitedip.net.au (Sam Sarkis-UIP) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:40:51 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Help with a local developer In-Reply-To: References: <4cffc6369b7e4f6cbf5dda475e4c61e0@unitedip.net.au> Message-ID: Thanks. Will look at. From: Andras Toth Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2022 11:45 AM To: Sam Sarkis-UIP Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Help with a local developer Amazon Lightsail is a fixed cost and the pricing is comparable to other VPS providers: https://aws.amazon.com/free/compute/lightsail/ On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:25 AM Sam Sarkis-UIP > wrote: Hey All, We have a customer wanting to switch away from their current web developer and their hosting with AWS. Can anyone recommend someone locally in Australia that can take over supporting/developing the site and recommending hosting the site. (cheaper than AWS and preferably a fixed cost) Ruby on Rails for the backend with the frontend components using React and Bootstrap. The database is PostgreSQL. Thanks Regards Sam _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials. Click here to report this email as spam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssarkis at unitedip.net.au Tue Nov 22 20:41:51 2022 From: ssarkis at unitedip.net.au (Sam Sarkis-UIP) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:41:51 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Help with a local developer In-Reply-To: References: <4cffc6369b7e4f6cbf5dda475e4c61e0@unitedip.net.au> Message-ID: thanks Ian, the site is on the larger side, will review. Thanks for the information From: Ian Brown Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2022 12:10 PM To: Andras Toth Cc: Sam Sarkis-UIP ; ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Help with a local developer Hey Sam, I usually deploy my apps to GKE if the client has the budget, otherwise I will use EngineYard or Heroku. If the budget is too tight for those, then a simple BinaryLane VM for $30 p/mth is the way to go. But then it is up to them to manage the machine and app lifecycle. Depending on what other applications the app depends on (MQTT, Redis, ElasticSearch, etc), these might be a good alternative. Cheers, Ian On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 10:45, Andras Toth > wrote: Amazon Lightsail is a fixed cost and the pricing is comparable to other VPS providers: https://aws.amazon.com/free/compute/lightsail/ On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:25 AM Sam Sarkis-UIP > wrote: Hey All, We have a customer wanting to switch away from their current web developer and their hosting with AWS. 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URL: From g2x at juliet.emu.st Wed Nov 23 06:51:25 2022 From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 19:51:25 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1669146685.677-0xa749f8@qmda.emu.st> On 15Nov22, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > The stock level on the ordering page SHOULD be accurate - > https://freepbxhosting.com.au/s/gps-v1/ Quick question. I'm waiting on antenna material so no reception yet. In the meantime, are there low-level commands to interrogate the unit to see if it's actually alive and otherwise functioning? Mark. From xrobau at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 07:29:42 2022 From: xrobau at gmail.com (Rob Thomas) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 06:29:42 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1669146685.677-0xa749f8@qmda.emu.st> References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1669146685.677-0xa749f8@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: You can take it outside, and the LED will start flashing when it gets sync. If you've run the ntp-gps playbook against it, everything will be configured for you, and 'gpsmon' will confirm that everything is working and will show you the type of GPS chip (ublox 6) and how many satellites it can see, etc. On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 at 05:51, Mark Delany wrote: > On 15Nov22, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > > The stock level on the ordering page SHOULD be accurate - > > https://freepbxhosting.com.au/s/gps-v1/ > > Quick question. I'm waiting on antenna material so no reception yet. In > the meantime, are > there low-level commands to interrogate the unit to see if it's actually > alive and > otherwise functioning? > > > Mark. > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g2x at juliet.emu.st Wed Nov 23 08:38:49 2022 From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 21:38:49 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1669146685.677-0xa749f8@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1669153129.598-0x7aadf9@qmda.emu.st> On 23Nov22, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > You can take it outside, and the LED will start flashing when it gets sync. > > If you've run the ntp-gps playbook against it, everything will be > configured for you, and 'gpsmon' will confirm that everything is working Thanks Rob. Offlist Ben also taught me about ppstest and cgps. All of those tools are showing the hat is up and running. Now to install the antenna and leadins. Mark. From g2x at juliet.emu.st Wed Nov 23 16:13:46 2022 From: g2x at juliet.emu.st (Mark Delany) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 05:13:46 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] EVERYONE should have a Stratum 1 time server, right? In-Reply-To: References: <0.2.0-final-1668404664.641-0x6568e7@qmda.emu.st> <0.2.0-final-1668405544.405-0x94cb1c@qmda.emu.st> Message-ID: <0.2.0-final-1669180426.800-0xea0378@qmda.emu.st> On 15Nov22, Mark Delany allegedly wrote: > On 15Nov22, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > > get the (who knows how much) Pi-or-Compatible, a patch lead ($3, > > ebay),and an active antenna ($10, ebay) > > Links for patch lead and antenna? Seems like a few are interested in the answers I got, so: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07YXP4WBQ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07YCBQF89?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/165733604289 Thanks to those who sent them to me. Mark. From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au Mon Nov 28 11:35:14 2022 From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 00:35:14 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Recommendations: Proxy / CDN partners over private peering SY4, ME1, SG4 Message-ID: Hello Noggers, I am looking for recommendations on proxy / CDN providers who deliver service over private peering. Locations are SY4, ME1 and SG4. We're on multiple peering exchanges and open to additional exchanges if required. Happy to hear from others who have multiple proxy / CDN partners along with real world experience, etc. Prefer proxies with DNS and image delivery / streaming / broadcast experience, but open to all with good capability and support. Many thanks Darren. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone reckons they can offer competitive Internet, at least 200/200 up, please contact me off list. Cheers Jack -- francisfides at mailup.net From mark at duffell.net Tue Nov 29 18:27:07 2022 From: mark at duffell.net (Mark Duffell) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:27:07 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] APRICOT 2023 Call for Presentations References: <04D98BDE-A261-45B4-BDB9-FA4F27F001B4@duffell.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane at 2000cn.com.au Wed Nov 30 13:05:25 2022 From: shane at 2000cn.com.au (Shane Chrisp) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 10:05:25 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Vocus Outages - Sydney Olympic Park? Message-ID: <578ade17-bb7d-0257-136d-edc13e05ddc7@2000cn.com.au> Hi All, Is anyone aware of any Vocus Outages in or around Olympic Park Sydney? We seem to have lost our peering over there. -- Regards Shane Chrisp 2000 Computers & Networks Pty Ltd U8, 19 Outram St, West Perth, WA 6005 Ph 08 6298 7391 Fx 08 6298 7393 Mb 0412 409 856 Emailshane at 2000cn.com.au Webhttp://www.2000cn.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil.mawson at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 13:13:47 2022 From: phil.mawson at gmail.com (Phil Mawson) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 13:13:47 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Vocus Outages - Sydney Olympic Park? In-Reply-To: <578ade17-bb7d-0257-136d-edc13e05ddc7@2000cn.com.au> References: <578ade17-bb7d-0257-136d-edc13e05ddc7@2000cn.com.au> Message-ID: <53A478BE-213D-43F7-8C56-94C5B8C5F1B0@gmail.com> Hi Shane, I have replied directly off list for more information, but I am not aware of any issues currently in NSW. Cheers, Phil > On 30 Nov 2022, at 1:05 pm, Shane Chrisp wrote: > > Hi All, > > Is anyone aware of any Vocus Outages in or around Olympic Park Sydney? We seem to have lost our peering over there. > > > > -- > Regards > > Shane Chrisp > 2000 Computers & Networks Pty Ltd > U8, 19 Outram St, West Perth, WA 6005 > Ph 08 6298 7391 Fx 08 6298 7393 > Mb 0412 409 856 > Email shane at 2000cn.com.au > Web http://www.2000cn.com.au > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: