[AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+

[Chris Phillips]

Same can be said for Mikrotik.

On 02/05/2022 9:50 pm, Bradley Amm wrote:
> Friends don’t let friends use UniFi routers or switches in a production 
> network expect maybe their wireless gear.
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> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> on behalf of Dave Taht 
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 3, 2022 9:45:55 AM
> *To:* Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au>
> *Cc:* ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 6:24 PM Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Mikrotik RB4011iGS+
> 
> Does that run RouterOS 7.2?
> 
> I am not in a position to "recommend" anything, but I am very
> interested in the current bufferbloat'd behaviors of
> VDSL2 and FTTH on what you currently have deployed, and what you plan to 
> deploy.
> 
> At a gigE, I am getting back behaviors worldwide that range from
> seriously underbuffered (5ms), to unable to transmit Gbit
> simultaneously in each direction without the router running out of CPU
> (very common), to 30-90ms. On various shapers, at 200Mbit, I'm seeing
> 20ms-200ms. and the lower values can really hurt single flow
> throughput.
> 
> So I've been trying to get folk do tests worldwide with the rtt_fair
> test in flent.org There's a server in sydney. Here's an example of the
> otherwise rather nice turris falling apart at 200Mbit symmetric:
> https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/475 
> <https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/475>
> 
> If you go the mikrotik way, I'm happy to say they finally made "cake"
> work pretty good in the 7.2 release, which,
> so long as you don't run it out of cpu, essentially is doing zero
> latency for most packets while having enough buffering to sustain
> cubic at 260ms rtt. A very long thread with a ton of explanations and
> pictures here:
> 
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p885613 
> <https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p885613>
> 
> There are a ton of other branch office quality gear that run "my"
> stuff now, also, ubnt, riverbed, etc, etc. I figure y'all have way
> more technical requirements that just killing off bufferbloat,
> however!
> 
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>> On 3/5/2022 11:21 am, Darren Moss wrote:
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>> Hi All,
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>> We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month.
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>> Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years.
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>> Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it’s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units.
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>> Some of them are in support, however I’m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we’re doing site visits.
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>> A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible.
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>> We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions.
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>> Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here.
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>> Cheers
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>>
>> Darren.
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