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A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. Cheers Darren. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At a gigE, I am getting back behaviors worldwide that range from seriously underbuffered (5ms), to unable to transmit Gbit simultaneously in each direction without the router running out of CPU (very common), to 30-90ms. On various shapers, at 200Mbit, I'm seeing 20ms-200ms. and the lower values can really hurt single flow throughput. So I've been trying to get folk do tests worldwide with the rtt_fair test in flent.org There's a server in sydney. Here's an example of the otherwise rather nice turris falling apart at 200Mbit symmetric: https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/475 If you go the mikrotik way, I'm happy to say they finally made "cake" work pretty good in the 7.2 release, which, so long as you don't run it out of cpu, essentially is doing zero latency for most packets while having enough buffering to sustain cubic at 260ms rtt. A very long thread with a ton of explanations and pictures here: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p885613 There are a ton of other branch office quality gear that run "my" stuff now, also, ubnt, riverbed, etc, etc. I figure y'all have way more technical requirements that just killing off bufferbloat, however! > > > On 3/5/2022 11:21 am, Darren Moss wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. > > > > Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. > > > > Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. > > > > Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. > > > > A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. > > > > We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. > > > > Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Darren. > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > -- > /* Matt Perkins > Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. > Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au > ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 > */ > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC From brad at bradleyamm.com Tue May 3 11:50:49 2022 From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 01:50:49 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> <1e63c74a-912b-7172-e977-681fbe0b63e7@spectrum.com.au>, Message-ID: Friends don?t let friends use UniFi routers or switches in a production network expect maybe their wireless gear. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Dave Taht Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 9:45:55 AM To: Matt Perkins Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 6:24 PM Matt Perkins wrote: > > Mikrotik RB4011iGS+ Does that run RouterOS 7.2? I am not in a position to "recommend" anything, but I am very interested in the current bufferbloat'd behaviors of VDSL2 and FTTH on what you currently have deployed, and what you plan to deploy. At a gigE, I am getting back behaviors worldwide that range from seriously underbuffered (5ms), to unable to transmit Gbit simultaneously in each direction without the router running out of CPU (very common), to 30-90ms. On various shapers, at 200Mbit, I'm seeing 20ms-200ms. and the lower values can really hurt single flow throughput. So I've been trying to get folk do tests worldwide with the rtt_fair test in flent.org There's a server in sydney. Here's an example of the otherwise rather nice turris falling apart at 200Mbit symmetric: https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/475 If you go the mikrotik way, I'm happy to say they finally made "cake" work pretty good in the 7.2 release, which, so long as you don't run it out of cpu, essentially is doing zero latency for most packets while having enough buffering to sustain cubic at 260ms rtt. A very long thread with a ton of explanations and pictures here: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p885613 There are a ton of other branch office quality gear that run "my" stuff now, also, ubnt, riverbed, etc, etc. I figure y'all have way more technical requirements that just killing off bufferbloat, however! > > > On 3/5/2022 11:21 am, Darren Moss wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. > > > > Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. > > > > Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. > > > > Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. > > > > A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. > > > > We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. > > > > Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Darren. > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > -- > /* Matt Perkins > Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. 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URL: From tomas.gibbs31 at gmail.com Tue May 3 11:58:28 2022 From: tomas.gibbs31 at gmail.com (Tomas) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 11:58:28 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> Message-ID: Hi Darren, What was the price range you were looking at? Something like a Cisco c1117 should do FTTP and FTTN. If you were looking at having these just be deployed on FTTP sites a c1111 should be fine. I don't recall for these routers if you need extra licencing to unlock extra performance however, if memory serves me correctly the hardware should be perfectly capable. On Tue, 3 May 2022, 11:21 am Darren Moss, wrote: > Hi All, > > > > We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded > to FTTP starting later this month. > > > > Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc > for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. > > > > Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ > hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. > > > > Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have > plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst > we?re doing site visits. > > > > A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is > or integrated with new hardware if possible. > > > > We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider > those and any other suggestions. > > > > Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can > benefit someone else here. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Darren. > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cphillips at aptient.com Tue May 3 12:19:36 2022 From: cphillips at aptient.com (Chris Phillips) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:19:36 -0400 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> <1e63c74a-912b-7172-e977-681fbe0b63e7@spectrum.com.au> Message-ID: <335fa983-8e5e-7741-127a-a02a7bca2a82@aptient.com> Same can be said for Mikrotik. On 02/05/2022 9:50 pm, Bradley Amm wrote: > Friends don?t let friends use UniFi routers or switches in a production > network expect maybe their wireless gear. > > > > > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AusNOG on behalf of Dave Taht > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 3, 2022 9:45:55 AM > *To:* Matt Perkins > *Cc:* ausnog at ausnog.net > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ > On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 6:24 PM Matt Perkins wrote: >> >> Mikrotik RB4011iGS+ > > Does that run RouterOS 7.2? > > I am not in a position to "recommend" anything, but I am very > interested in the current bufferbloat'd behaviors of > VDSL2 and FTTH on what you currently have deployed, and what you plan to > deploy. > > At a gigE, I am getting back behaviors worldwide that range from > seriously underbuffered (5ms), to unable to transmit Gbit > simultaneously in each direction without the router running out of CPU > (very common), to 30-90ms. On various shapers, at 200Mbit, I'm seeing > 20ms-200ms. and the lower values can really hurt single flow > throughput. > > So I've been trying to get folk do tests worldwide with the rtt_fair > test in flent.org There's a server in sydney. Here's an example of the > otherwise rather nice turris falling apart at 200Mbit symmetric: > https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/475 > > > If you go the mikrotik way, I'm happy to say they finally made "cake" > work pretty good in the 7.2 release, which, > so long as you don't run it out of cpu, essentially is doing zero > latency for most packets while having enough buffering to sustain > cubic at 260ms rtt. A very long thread with a ton of explanations and > pictures here: > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p885613 > > > There are a ton of other branch office quality gear that run "my" > stuff now, also, ubnt, riverbed, etc, etc. I figure y'all have way > more technical requirements that just killing off bufferbloat, > however! > >> >> >> On 3/5/2022 11:21 am, Darren Moss wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. >> >> >> >> Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. >> >> >> >> Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. >> >> >> >> Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. >> >> >> >> A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. >> >> >> >> We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. >> >> >> >> Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> >> >> Darren. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > >> >> -- >> /* Matt Perkins >>???????? Direct 02 8916 8101???? Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. >>???????? Office 1300 133 299???? matt at spectrum.com.au >>???????? ABN 66 090 112 913????? Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 >> */ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > > -- > FQ World Domination pending: > https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > > Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- Chris Phillips Aptient Consulting Group Inc. +1 (650) 732-8859 - US & Canada +61 480 107 120 - Australia From noel.butler at ausics.net Tue May 3 12:34:17 2022 From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler) Date: Tue, 03 May 2022 12:34:17 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: <335fa983-8e5e-7741-127a-a02a7bca2a82@aptient.com> References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> <1e63c74a-912b-7172-e977-681fbe0b63e7@spectrum.com.au> <335fa983-8e5e-7741-127a-a02a7bca2a82@aptient.com> Message-ID: On 03/05/2022 12:19, Chris Phillips wrote: > Same can be said for Mikrotik. There's a few large European players would who disagree with you. > On 02/05/2022 9:50 pm, Bradley Amm wrote: > >> Friends don't let friends use UniFi routers or switches in a >> production network expect maybe their wireless gear. >> >> --upgrade Yep, ubnt is junk, anyone who actually looks into throughputs and backplanes would see they are substantially gutless compared to most competition including mikrotik who at about the same price point are up there with likes of Juniper specs at 1/10th the price :) Well that's so long as certain retailers don't get upping their price every month. -- Regards, Noel Butler This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so. 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There are a litany of reasons why nobody should run these in a real network. From matt at spectrum.com.au Tue May 3 12:41:31 2022 From: matt at spectrum.com.au (Matt Perkins) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 12:41:31 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> <1e63c74a-912b-7172-e977-681fbe0b63e7@spectrum.com.au> Message-ID: <47e6a60c-ff35-62ce-8939-c11fac0e7428@spectrum.com.au> I think it will run 7.2 however if you wanted a raw 7 machine perhaps the RB5009 would be more your go to. Given the size they were looking at I was more thinking features and cost of deployment over buffer bloat but you make a good point. Matt On 3/5/2022 11:45 am, Dave Taht wrote: > On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 6:24 PM Matt Perkins wrote: >> Mikrotik RB4011iGS+ > Does that run RouterOS 7.2? > > I am not in a position to "recommend" anything, but I am very > interested in the current bufferbloat'd behaviors of > VDSL2 and FTTH on what you currently have deployed, and what you plan to deploy. > > At a gigE, I am getting back behaviors worldwide that range from > seriously underbuffered (5ms), to unable to transmit Gbit > simultaneously in each direction without the router running out of CPU > (very common), to 30-90ms. On various shapers, at 200Mbit, I'm seeing > 20ms-200ms. and the lower values can really hurt single flow > throughput. > > So I've been trying to get folk do tests worldwide with the rtt_fair > test in flent.org There's a server in sydney. Here's an example of the > otherwise rather nice turris falling apart at 200Mbit symmetric: > https://forum.turris.cz/t/sqm-on-turris-flent-benchmarks/17048/475 > > If you go the mikrotik way, I'm happy to say they finally made "cake" > work pretty good in the 7.2 release, which, > so long as you don't run it out of cpu, essentially is doing zero > latency for most packets while having enough buffering to sustain > cubic at 260ms rtt. A very long thread with a ton of explanations and > pictures here: > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307#p885613 > > There are a ton of other branch office quality gear that run "my" > stuff now, also, ubnt, riverbed, etc, etc. I figure y'all have way > more technical requirements that just killing off bufferbloat, > however! > >> >> On 3/5/2022 11:21 am, Darren Moss wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. >> >> >> >> Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. >> >> >> >> Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. >> >> >> >> Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. >> >> >> >> A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. >> >> >> >> We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. >> >> >> >> Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> >> >> Darren. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> >> -- >> /* Matt Perkins >> Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. >> Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au >> ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 >> */ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > -- /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 */ From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au Tue May 3 12:42:13 2022 From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 02:42:13 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> Message-ID: <715f5c0b2dce4c91b5ef86c964bdda3e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> Thanks Tomas. Yes I have looked at the c1111 units as they don?t have xDSL modules we won?t need. Price point on those is OK, but not great when you have many sites. Cheers Darren. From: Tomas Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 11:58 AM To: Darren Moss Cc: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ Hi Darren, What was the price range you were looking at? Something like a Cisco c1117 should do FTTP and FTTN. If you were looking at having these just be deployed on FTTP sites a c1111 should be fine. I don't recall for these routers if you need extra licencing to unlock extra performance however, if memory serves me correctly the hardware should be perfectly capable. On Tue, 3 May 2022, 11:21 am Darren Moss, > wrote: Hi All, We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. Cheers Darren. _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.z.edwards at gmail.com Tue May 3 13:15:36 2022 From: nick.z.edwards at gmail.com (Nick Edwards) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 13:15:36 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> <1e63c74a-912b-7172-e977-681fbe0b63e7@spectrum.com.au> <335fa983-8e5e-7741-127a-a02a7bca2a82@aptient.com> Message-ID: Perhaps you should cite some of reasons and references too Chris. We've found their routers and switches to be flawless for the past five years since we dumped our old cisco kit. I wonder if you post wouldn't have anything to do with the fact your company specializes in Junpier, would it. 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URL: From evan at evandent.com Tue May 3 13:36:30 2022 From: evan at evandent.com (Evan Dent) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 13:06:30 +0930 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> <1e63c74a-912b-7172-e977-681fbe0b63e7@spectrum.com.au> <335fa983-8e5e-7741-127a-a02a7bca2a82@aptient.com> Message-ID: Alright. Holden VS Ford we get it, everyone has their preference. Let's keep OT. All this slander does not look good for anyone. We all have preferences. let us back them up with fact and also just provide options. I'm sure Darren will weigh it all up. On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 12:46 PM Nick Edwards wrote: > Perhaps you should cite some of reasons and references too Chris. > We've found their routers and switches to be flawless for the past five > years since we dumped our old cisco kit. > > I wonder if you post wouldn't have anything to do with the fact your > company specializes in Junpier, would it. > > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 12:41 PM Chris Phillips > wrote: > >> >> On 02/05/2022 10:34 pm, Noel Butler wrote: >> > On 03/05/2022 12:19, Chris Phillips wrote: >> > >> >> Same can be said for Mikrotik. >> > There's a few large European players would who disagree with you. >> >> I think you need to cite some references. There are a litany of reasons >> why nobody should run these in a real network. >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abeeson at csu.edu.au Tue May 3 13:58:55 2022 From: abeeson at csu.edu.au (Beeson, Ayden) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 03:58:55 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> Message-ID: They also have 4g options built in in some models, I can?t confirm whether 5g options exist but I?d be surprised if they don?t yet. Cheers, Ayden From: AusNOG on behalf of Tomas Date: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 11:59 am To: Darren Moss Cc: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ Hi Darren, What was the price range you were looking at? Something like a Cisco c1117 should do FTTP and FTTN. If you were looking at having these just be deployed on FTTP sites a c1111 should be fine. I don't recall for these routers if you need extra licencing to unlock extra performance however, if memory serves me correctly the hardware should be perfectly capable. On Tue, 3 May 2022, 11:21 am Darren Moss, > wrote: Hi All, We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. Cheers Darren. _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From chris at thesysadmin.dev Tue May 3 18:04:33 2022 From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:04:33 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> Message-ID: Mikrotik do have the Chateau 5G router which supports 5G connectivity. Mike Everest may be able to provide more information on it. https://store.duxtel.com/chateau_5g CH. RBD53G-5HacD2HnD-TC&RG502Q-EA: MikroTik Chateau - 5G model The Chateau 5G. The brand new Chateau 5G from MikroTik is a high-speed, dual-band home access point with LTE/5G support ? for really fast cellular internet, anytime. store.duxtel.com ? ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Beeson, Ayden Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 1:58 PM To: Tomas ; Darren Moss Cc: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ They also have 4g options built in in some models, I can?t confirm whether 5g options exist but I?d be surprised if they don?t yet. Cheers, Ayden From: AusNOG on behalf of Tomas Date: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 11:59 am To: Darren Moss Cc: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ Hi Darren, What was the price range you were looking at? Something like a Cisco c1117 should do FTTP and FTTN. If you were looking at having these just be deployed on FTTP sites a c1111 should be fine. I don't recall for these routers if you need extra licencing to unlock extra performance however, if memory serves me correctly the hardware should be perfectly capable. On Tue, 3 May 2022, 11:21 am Darren Moss, > wrote: Hi All, We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. Cheers Darren. _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at thesysadmin.dev Tue May 3 18:06:00 2022 From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:06:00 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> Message-ID: Hey Darren, If you've got any 1900's laying around that you'd be keen to offload I'm interested in a pair to further expand my lab. Thanks, Christopher Hawker ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Darren Moss Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 11:21 AM To: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ Hi All, We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many years. Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to consider those and any other suggestions. Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can benefit someone else here. Cheers Darren. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at mannfamily.org Tue May 3 21:05:30 2022 From: john at mannfamily.org (John Mann) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 21:05:30 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Enterprise Network QoS Traffic Profiling Tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roman, Several years ago, at Monash University, I used open source software cisco netflow -> nfdump -> NfSen to analyse network traffic. This collects and analyses flows, not the raw packets. NfSen has a graphic dashboard that can collect/show/drill-down stats that you have pre-defined. The 'nfdump' CLI can be used for ad-hoc (text output) analysis, or cron'd for daily summary reports. Capturing packets from a 10G fibre network backbone to spinning hard drives wasn't easy. Try cisco filter -> RSPAN -> network -> GRE software endpoint -> tcpdump -w Much easier, but $$$, to use passive fibre taps, packet broker hardware etc. John On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 14:25, Roman Islam wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Any recommendation for a suitable open source software which can help to > assess the current network traffic profile? For example port span, capture > packet and analyze the traffic type and percentage. Using wireshark > regularly but as a troubleshooting tool compared to network traffic > analyzer. > > Our QoS classification and marking policy has been outdated. We now need > to re-investigate to make it more granular and re-align the marking and > queuing strategy. > > -R > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at xn--t-0la.nz Wed May 4 09:16:10 2022 From: jon at xn--t-0la.nz (Jonathan Brewer) Date: Wed, 04 May 2022 11:16:10 +1200 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> <1e63c74a-912b-7172-e977-681fbe0b63e7@spectrum.com.au> <335fa983-8e5e-7741-127a-a02a7bca2a82@aptient.com> Message-ID: <8ffb3cf0-60c1-421a-82d0-07678d059b4c@www.fastmail.com> Hey team, I've been running Mikrotik routers in real networks for fifteen years. The largest network I built using Mikrotik had around a thousand devices running RouterOS, all participating in a multi-area OSPF. There were other equipment vendors in the network too, but Mikrotik was dominant. These days most of the ISPs I consult to in NZ (30+) have Mikrotik in their network. Several of them who use Mikrotik are getting close to 10 Gbps in peak hour traffic from residential subscribers. They may use Cisco or Juniper for their heavy lifting, but Mikrotik still plays a large role. Chris you may not like Mikrotik but the feedback you left on the list isn't helpful for anyone. -JB On Tue, May 3, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Chris Phillips wrote: > > On 02/05/2022 10:34 pm, Noel Butler wrote: > > On 03/05/2022 12:19, Chris Phillips wrote: > > > >> Same can be said for Mikrotik. > > There's a few large European players would who disagree with you. > > I think you need to cite some references. There are a litany of reasons > why nobody should run these in a real network. > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at xn--t-0la.nz Wed May 4 09:25:03 2022 From: jon at xn--t-0la.nz (Jonathan Brewer) Date: Wed, 04 May 2022 11:25:03 +1200 Subject: [AusNOG] Enterprise Network QoS Traffic Profiling Tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a4e6622-d750-42da-83e1-8fc9b681be7b@www.fastmail.com> Hey friend! A couple of years ago I wrote a training deck for APNIC on IP Flow Monitoring and in doing so went through everything that was out there in FOSS land. #1 on my list at the end was Elastiflow. It was a complete pig for resources (give it 64GB of RAM for a small instance) but otherwise it was magic. * I've only worked with the legacy OSS version here: https://github.com/robcowart/elastiflow * They have a new thing here: https://www.elastiflow.com/ Cheers, Jon On Tue, May 3, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Roman Islam wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Any recommendation for a suitable open source software which can help to assess the current network traffic profile? For example port span, capture packet and analyze the traffic type and percentage. Using wireshark regularly but as a troubleshooting tool compared to network traffic analyzer. > > Our QoS classification and marking policy has been outdated. We now need to re-investigate to make it more granular and re-align the marking and queuing strategy. > > -R > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Wed May 4 09:43:36 2022 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 07:43:36 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: <8ffb3cf0-60c1-421a-82d0-07678d059b4c@www.fastmail.com> References: <58e892fa62994996be89538bcec4da32@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email> <1e63c74a-912b-7172-e977-681fbe0b63e7@spectrum.com.au> <335fa983-8e5e-7741-127a-a02a7bca2a82@aptient.com> <8ffb3cf0-60c1-421a-82d0-07678d059b4c@www.fastmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, While the feedback may ot have been Helpful, It does remind us that Just because someone doesnt like a brand, Does Not make it unsuitable for use, in certain situations. Personally i dislike Mikrotik, its clunky and uncustomizable. Equally I dislike Ubnt for their Firmware breaking images and lack of acknowledging game-breaking issues. But they both have their place in Networking. If you want to stick with Cisco, perhaps look at the Cisco ISR1100 Range, While they are only 4G, They may suit the purpose and replace the aging 1900's Be Brand Agnostic. No one product will do everything perfect. On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 7:17 AM Jonathan Brewer wrote: > Hey team, > > I've been running Mikrotik routers in real networks for fifteen years. The > largest network I built using Mikrotik had around a thousand devices > running RouterOS, all participating in a multi-area OSPF. There were other > equipment vendors in the network too, but Mikrotik was dominant. > > These days most of the ISPs I consult to in NZ (30+) have Mikrotik in > their network. Several of them who use Mikrotik are getting close to 10 > Gbps in peak hour traffic from residential subscribers. They may use Cisco > or Juniper for their heavy lifting, but Mikrotik still plays a large role. > > Chris you may not like Mikrotik but the feedback you left on the list > isn't helpful for anyone. > > -JB > > On Tue, May 3, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Chris Phillips wrote: > > > On 02/05/2022 10:34 pm, Noel Butler wrote: > > On 03/05/2022 12:19, Chris Phillips wrote: > > > >> Same can be said for Mikrotik. > > There's a few large European players would who disagree with you. > > I think you need to cite some references. There are a litany of reasons > why nobody should run these in a real network. > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I figure a lot of this is way bleeding edge, but - in p4: https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2021/09/Camera_Ready__Fine-Grained_RTT_Monitoring_Inside_the_Network.pdf Also, caida's jitterbug: https://www.caida.org/catalog/papers/2022_jitterbug/jitterbug.pdf their github here: https://github.com/estcarisimo/jitterbug On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 4:26 PM Jonathan Brewer wrote: > > Hey friend! > > A couple of years ago I wrote a training deck for APNIC on IP Flow Monitoring and in doing so went through everything that was out there in FOSS land. #1 on my list at the end was Elastiflow. It was a complete pig for resources (give it 64GB of RAM for a small instance) but otherwise it was magic. > > I've only worked with the legacy OSS version here: https://github.com/robcowart/elastiflow > They have a new thing here: https://www.elastiflow.com/ > > > Cheers, > Jon > > On Tue, May 3, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Roman Islam wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Any recommendation for a suitable open source software which can help to assess the current network traffic profile? For example port span, capture packet and analyze the traffic type and percentage. Using wireshark regularly but as a troubleshooting tool compared to network traffic analyzer. > > Our QoS classification and marking policy has been outdated. We now need to re-investigate to make it more granular and re-align the marking and queuing strategy. > > -R > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC From vijay at unsw.edu.au Wed May 4 10:55:47 2022 From: vijay at unsw.edu.au (Vijay Sivaraman) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 00:55:47 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Enterprise Network QoS Traffic Profiling Tools In-Reply-To: References: <1a4e6622-d750-42da-83e1-8fc9b681be7b@www.fastmail.com> Message-ID: FYI we have already implemented and commercially deployed P4 based RTT measurement in multiple carrier networks, as part of the Canopus Network Analytics platform (https://www.canopusnet.com/). We take it a step further and correlate it with the application (some of which are more sensitive to RTT than others), as hinted in our paper at the IAB workshop: https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2021/09/CanopusPositionPaperCameraReady.pdf I can also add that we continually measure RTT not just for TCP traffic, but also for UDP streams, particularly gaming, as profiled in our most recent OMG! Report: https://www.canopusnet.com/post/omg-report-mar-2022 You may reach out to me directly if you are further interested in this topic. Regards, Vijay From: AusNOG on behalf of Dave Taht Date: Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:29 am To: Jonathan Brewer Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Enterprise Network QoS Traffic Profiling Tools the IAB had a workshop on this last september: https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/network-quality/ Loved Matt Mathis's paper in particular. I figure a lot of this is way bleeding edge, but - in p4: https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2021/09/Camera_Ready__Fine-Grained_RTT_Monitoring_Inside_the_Network.pdf Also, caida's jitterbug: https://www.caida.org/catalog/papers/2022_jitterbug/jitterbug.pdf their github here: https://github.com/estcarisimo/jitterbug On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 4:26 PM Jonathan Brewer wrote: > > Hey friend! > > A couple of years ago I wrote a training deck for APNIC on IP Flow Monitoring and in doing so went through everything that was out there in FOSS land. #1 on my list at the end was Elastiflow. It was a complete pig for resources (give it 64GB of RAM for a small instance) but otherwise it was magic. > > I've only worked with the legacy OSS version here: https://github.com/robcowart/elastiflow > They have a new thing here: https://www.elastiflow.com/ > > > Cheers, > Jon > > On Tue, May 3, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Roman Islam wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Any recommendation for a suitable open source software which can help to assess the current network traffic profile? For example port span, capture packet and analyze the traffic type and percentage. Using wireshark regularly but as a troubleshooting tool compared to network traffic analyzer. > > Our QoS classification and marking policy has been outdated. We now need to re-investigate to make it more granular and re-align the marking and queuing strategy. > > -R > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But they both have their place in > Networking. > > If you want to stick with Cisco, perhaps look at the Cisco ISR1100 > Range, While they are only 4G, They may suit the purpose and replace > the aging 1900's > > Be Brand Agnostic. No one product will do everything perfect. I agree with your last statement there, be brand agnostic, right tool for the right job, Mikrotik is an excellent CPE choice and in certain cases edge and core devices. Use devices to their strengths, I'll choose Cisco, Juniper, HPE/Aruba or Mikrotik where required, ultimately it comes down to what fits your budget and what you're happy to support. I will also state that I am not a fan of UBNT in anything other than edge wireless where the project meets the requirements for the task, I simply do not have the confidence in their routing platform. Kind Regards, Jim. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: AusNOG > On Behalf Of Rahul Chawla Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 10:58 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] Defederation of domain with Godaddy to M365 Hello lovely people, Any one from Godaddy possible here ? - Trying to migrate Office 365 away from Godaddy to M365 directly and not being able to verify the domain name. - It's been almost 20 hours now and I am not able to speak to the right person at Go daddy. - Any pointers / help would be much appreciated. 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URL: From chris.chaundy at gmail.com Wed May 4 17:10:52 2022 From: chris.chaundy at gmail.com (Chris Chaundy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 17:10:52 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper Message-ID: A little off-topic but does anyone know how you can get Telstra to remove defunct overhead copper cabling? Our area has been switched to NBN but all cabling (power, NBN fibre and legacy Telstra copper is strung on power poles in that order from top to bottom. Now I really DO mean bottom - the old copper is hanging down from the poles through bushes and along the ground at the top of my property (it may get accidentally tangled up in my brush-cutter one day :-). Seriously, it is a nuisance/hazard and I don't think that I have the strength or patience to attempt to deal with this through 'Telstra faults'! Cheers, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luke.t at tncrew.com.au Wed May 4 17:13:17 2022 From: luke.t at tncrew.com.au (Luke Thompson) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 17:13:17 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16cc4e4a-64ff-4c13-7ef9-d169451f718e@tncrew.com.au> G'day Chris, I'd start here: https://say.telstra.com.au/customer/general/forms/report-damage-to-telstra-equipment That damage team is fairly decent - if you can't make headway, then rep/s here could well lend a hand. Cheers, Luke Thompson Chief Technical Officer The Network Crew Pty Ltd https://thenetworkcrew.com.au On 4/5/2022 5:10 pm, Chris Chaundy wrote: > A little off-topic but does anyone know how you can get Telstra to > remove defunct overhead copper cabling?? Our area has been switched to > NBN but all cabling (power, NBN fibre and legacy Telstra copper is > strung on power poles in that order from top to bottom.? Now I really > DO mean bottom - the old copper is hanging down from the poles through > bushes and along the ground at the top of my property (it may get > accidentally tangled up in my brush-cutter one day :-). > > Seriously, it is a nuisance/hazard and I don't think that I have the > strength or patience to attempt to deal with this through 'Telstra > faults'! > > Cheers, Chris > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From glp71s at gmail.com Wed May 4 17:27:49 2022 From: glp71s at gmail.com (Giles Pollock) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 17:27:49 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Be a shame if a removalist truck snagged on the copper lines... In theory if they're not at the right height and pose a hazard it should be as simple as reporting it... Whether they actually do anything to deal with it is another matter. On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 5:11 PM Chris Chaundy wrote: > A little off-topic but does anyone know how you can get Telstra to remove > defunct overhead copper cabling? Our area has been switched to NBN but all > cabling (power, NBN fibre and legacy Telstra copper is strung on power > poles in that order from top to bottom. Now I really DO mean bottom - the > old copper is hanging down from the poles through bushes and along the > ground at the top of my property (it may get accidentally tangled up in my > brush-cutter one day :-). > > Seriously, it is a nuisance/hazard and I don't think that I have the > strength or patience to attempt to deal with this through 'Telstra faults'! > > Cheers, Chris > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenn.satchell at uniq.com.au Wed May 4 18:04:34 2022 From: glenn.satchell at uniq.com.au (Glenn Satchell) Date: Wed, 04 May 2022 18:04:34 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d963495353163664fc04f95c67f2ff9@uniq.com.au> When we moved out of our DC we got $3 per kg from the scrap metal place for insulated copper wire with the connectors/plugs cut off. Just sayin' :) regards, Glenn On 2022-05-04 17:10, Chris Chaundy wrote: > A little off-topic but does anyone know how you can get Telstra to > remove defunct overhead copper cabling? Our area has been switched to > NBN but all cabling (power, NBN fibre and legacy Telstra copper is > strung on power poles in that order from top to bottom. Now I really > DO mean bottom - the old copper is hanging down from the poles through > bushes and along the ground at the top of my property (it may get > accidentally tangled up in my brush-cutter one day :-). > > Seriously, it is a nuisance/hazard and I don't think that I have the > strength or patience to attempt to deal with this through 'Telstra > faults'! > > Cheers, Chris > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From yahoo at vapourforge.com Wed May 4 19:35:19 2022 From: yahoo at vapourforge.com (yahoo) Date: Wed, 04 May 2022 19:35:19 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reporting it as a hazard in their "public" space infrastructure will typically get it resolved pretty quickly if you include a photo of wires on the ground in the report.The liability of somebody falling over it and suing them for squillions in negligence after it has been reported is a strong motivator.Don't try to report it as a customer fault though, there be dragons.Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Chris Chaundy Date: 4/5/22 5:11 pm (GMT+10:00) To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper A little off-topic but does anyone know how you can get Telstra to remove defunct overhead copper cabling?? Our area has been switched to NBN but all cabling (power, NBN fibre and legacy Telstra copper is strung on power poles in that order from top to bottom.? Now I really DO mean bottom - the old copper is hanging down from the poles through bushes and along the ground at the top of my property (it may get accidentally tangled up in my brush-cutter one day :-).Seriously, it is a nuisance/hazard and I don't think that I have the strength or patience to attempt to deal with this through 'Telstra faults'!Cheers, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at vitaldata.net Thu May 5 00:40:46 2022 From: paul at vitaldata.net (Paul Willis) Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 00:10:46 +0930 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> References: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> Message-ID: <34096486-3415-3cdd-80d2-9246677e7fe0@vitaldata.net> Forgot to Reply All so you can all see my superior opinion on hardware that is betterer than anything you guys are using no matter what your situation is. Also the specific Mikrotiks I used were horrible so all Mikrotiks are bad mmkay. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 23:58:22 +0930 From: Paul Willis To: Darren Moss I assume you mean 200Mbps. Ubiquiti has it's place. I'll take an Edgerouter any day over a Meraki (financial hostage situation) but I wouldn't touch a Unifi router (too much automated shit going on and not enough quality control). No big deal if firmware breaks an Edgerouter as long as you aren't upgrading remotely without testing on a local device first. My preferred option for most sites is Debian. Configuration is just a handful of easy to read text files that can easily be used on a lot of different hardware with little to no changes. If I want LTE or more ports etc I just buy whatever hardware I need to that supports it. On 3/5/22 10:51, Darren Moss wrote: > > Hi All, > > We have sites that are NBN FTTN (last mile VDSL2) which are being > upgraded to FTTP starting later this month. > > Currently we run Cisco 1900 series routers into firewalls, switches, > etc for small sites with 5-15 staff and that has worked well for many > years. > > Our smallest FTTP site will be 140 / 40MBps with larger sites 200MBps+ > hence I was thinking it?s time to upgrade / replace the 1900 units. > > Some of them are in support, however I?m not really bothered as we > have plenty of spares and this is a good opportunity to make > improvements whilst we?re doing site visits. > > A few sites have 4G / 5G backup via separate router which can remain > as is or integrated with new hardware if possible. > > We do have some Ubiquiti devices around which work well, happy to > consider those and any other suggestions. > > Happy to hear recommendations off or on list if the information can > benefit someone else here. > > Cheers > > Darren. > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From andrew.fort at gmail.com Thu May 5 07:20:10 2022 From: andrew.fort at gmail.com (Andrew Fort) Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 07:20:10 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Once it reaches the ground, call 1100 :) On Wed, 4 May 2022, 5:11 pm Chris Chaundy, wrote: > A little off-topic but does anyone know how you can get Telstra to remove > defunct overhead copper cabling? Our area has been switched to NBN but all > cabling (power, NBN fibre and legacy Telstra copper is strung on power > poles in that order from top to bottom. Now I really DO mean bottom - the > old copper is hanging down from the poles through bushes and along the > ground at the top of my property (it may get accidentally tangled up in my > brush-cutter one day :-). > > Seriously, it is a nuisance/hazard and I don't think that I have the > strength or patience to attempt to deal with this through 'Telstra faults'! > > Cheers, Chris > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at thomasjones.id.au Thu May 5 07:34:09 2022 From: me at thomasjones.id.au (Thomas Jones) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 21:34:09 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Microwave link provider - Thornleigh SYD Message-ID: Good morning, Looking to see if there's any microwave internet provider able to service Sefton Road, Thornleigh NSW 2120 on here. Please reply off-list with your specifics and offerings for that area - looking to add a redundant WAN for a client there. Based on Gold Coast - don't have any contacts in SYD so far. Thanks in advance! Kind regards, Thomas Jones M: 0467 283 967 E: me at thomasjones.id.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.taht at gmail.com Thu May 5 08:57:32 2022 From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 15:57:32 -0700 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> <34096486-3415-3cdd-80d2-9246677e7fe0@vitaldata.net> Message-ID: On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 3:21 PM Ben Johns wrote: > > Hey Dave, > > Using a white/bright box x86/ARM platform on the branch/edge is becoming trendy in the enterprise space too with the uCPE (universal customer premises equipment) and virtualised firewalls, WAN op, SD-WAN, etc. I'd like to be trendy, but even more I want to push a gbit in both directions with sqm. I have other strange requirements, wireguard (tailscale) has become my go-to vpn, and I am caring a lot more about IDS facilities and route 666 - if you want to see the scope and scale I might be caring about in the future, feel free to add requirements to https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cerowrt-ii-would-anyone-care/110554 I am not sure, no matter how containerized or vm'd, what extra services belong on the edge gateway, I just want a box there that can push packets fast, that I can trust not to be compromised. Things that give me the willies are how lame the "wireless management controllers" seem to be. It was only a matter of time before folk attacked those: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/how-hackers-used-smarts-and-a-novel-iot-botnet-to-plunder-email-for-months/ future iot devices are going on their own subnet, and dpi'd. > For those interested look for the Dell VEP uCPE platform and the ADVA hypervisor as an example. I briefly looked over ADVA. Doesn't seem to be open source (?) SOME abstractions are useful. So long as I can get near-zero queuing delay out of 'em and can trust 'em. I'm having severe trust issues this month on other SDN stuff I cannot yet talk about. >It starts making sense when scaling out SD-WAN across many locations. Thx for the steer. Very nice looking boxes. I didn't see a price ?, nor an arm version? My last experience with the denverton cpus was that they were too slow to push a gbit both ways without (as per the examples) reverting to dpdk, sd-wan and a bunch of other proprietary stuff. Sure they ran fanless but I have grown severe trust issues with anything that wasn't pure FOSS underneath. All those SD-wan layers and abstractions aren't a value add to me, but a increasingly major value-subtract. This home/branch oriented oriented box https://evenroute.com/iqrouter-pro has the oomph I like, but not enough real ethernets. I liked and trusted the apu2 (also fanless) but it's run out of steam. > On Thu, 5 May 2022, 1:19 am Dave Taht, wrote: >> >> Heh. Now that we are getting opinionated, I gave up on all vendors and their proprietary offloads, and tend to use small x86 nuc-like boxes with openwrt. I turn on the gui long enough to configure them, then turn it off. I get perfect uptime til power failures of my last deployment of the apu2s (which proved a little weak to run cake at a gbit, but were fine to 500Mbit). i3 or higher boxes push a gbit both ways easily. >> >> Upgrading is sometimes a PITA. I've been looking over https://openwisp.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC From jim at alwaysnever.net Thu May 5 10:07:14 2022 From: jim at alwaysnever.net (Jim Woodward) Date: Thu, 05 May 2022 10:07:14 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 05-05-2022 07:20, Andrew Fort wrote: > Once it reaches the ground, call 1100 :) > > On Wed, 4 May 2022, 5:11 pm Chris Chaundy, > wrote: > >> A little off-topic but does anyone know how you can get Telstra to >> remove defunct overhead copper cabling? Our area has been switched to >> NBN but all cabling (power, NBN fibre and legacy Telstra copper is >> strung on power poles in that order from top to bottom. Now I really >> DO mean bottom - the old copper is hanging down from the poles through >> bushes and along the ground at the top of my property (it may get >> accidentally tangled up in my brush-cutter one day :-). >> >> Seriously, it is a nuisance/hazard and I don't think that I have the >> strength or patience to attempt to deal with this through 'Telstra >> faults'! When I had a phone line break free of its primary pole mount and drop to the point where I could touch it from the footpath outside my house I called 13 22 03 and had Telstra come out, they removed the line from the premesis side all the way back to the pole adjacent to the house on the other side of the road. Since I have FTTP there was no need to maintain it. They came out within 24 hrs to remove it, details for that line below: https://say.telstra.com.au/customer/general/forms/report-damage-to-telstra-equipment Kind Regards, Jim. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.taht at gmail.com Thu May 5 10:11:49 2022 From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 17:11:49 -0700 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> <34096486-3415-3cdd-80d2-9246677e7fe0@vitaldata.net> Message-ID: On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 4:55 PM Mitch Kelly wrote: > > Hi have been repurposing Meraki mx60's to OpenWrt, they route at full line speed (about 2.8Gbit) perhaps this is a route you can take with the old meraki's That's wonderful! Especially given all the supply chain problems we have, and all the "junk" hardware that can take a new OS to make it useful... I've been kicking this "upgrade in place" proposal around with various folk now, for 3+ years. But to do a centralized recycle routers campaign does require a lot of common routers. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T21on7g1MqQZoK91epUdxLYFGdtyLRgBat0VXoC9e3I/edit Still, it's near and dear to my heart, as I'm just naturally frugal in the first place, and hate all the ewaste. We could upgrade the whole edge of the internet to better routers in a matter of months with just what lies in the trash bin. The routers I still have in the field from the cerowrt project do 50Mbit symmetric beautifully with modern software, with outrageous uptimes, based on a now 14 year old design. I fully expect the wndr3800 series to still be operational 10+ years from now. > Happy to document a quick how-to. How common is meraki? All I know about them is that they finally delivered ipv6 late last year, and they shipped SFQ + click codel in 2013. (Yes, I'm rather limited on the other aspects of the edge!). It looked like a pretty good chipset when I last looked them over. I'm trying to get numbers on doing effective shaping via cake. The eero 6 dropped cake in favor of an offload that runs fast but doesn't work well. the users are disappointed. > I've put 256gb SSD's in two of them. I really like that ability to gather captures and stash them on a usb stick, or ssd. storage is so cheap these days, weird stuff on the network so common. > > Pics attached > > Mitch > > On Thu, 5 May 2022, 6:58 am Dave Taht, wrote: >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 3:21 PM Ben Johns wrote: >> > >> > Hey Dave, >> > >> > Using a white/bright box x86/ARM platform on the branch/edge is becoming trendy in the enterprise space too with the uCPE (universal customer premises equipment) and virtualised firewalls, WAN op, SD-WAN, etc. >> >> I'd like to be trendy, but even more I want to push a gbit in both >> directions with sqm. I have other strange requirements, wireguard >> (tailscale) has become my go-to vpn, and I am caring a lot more about >> IDS facilities and route 666 - if you want to see the scope and scale >> I might be caring about in the future, >> feel free to add requirements to >> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cerowrt-ii-would-anyone-care/110554 >> >> I am not sure, no matter how containerized or vm'd, what extra >> services belong on the edge gateway, I just want a box there that can >> push packets fast, >> that I can trust not to be compromised. Things that give me the >> willies are how lame the "wireless management controllers" seem to be. >> It was only a matter of time before folk attacked those: >> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/how-hackers-used-smarts-and-a-novel-iot-botnet-to-plunder-email-for-months/ >> >> future iot devices are going on their own subnet, and dpi'd. >> >> > For those interested look for the Dell VEP uCPE platform and the ADVA hypervisor as an example. >> >> I briefly looked over ADVA. Doesn't seem to be open source (?) SOME >> abstractions are useful. So long as I can get near-zero queuing delay >> out of 'em and can trust 'em. I'm having severe trust issues this >> month on other SDN stuff I cannot yet talk about. >> >> >It starts making sense when scaling out SD-WAN across many locations. >> >> Thx for the steer. Very nice looking boxes. I didn't see a price ?, >> nor an arm version? My last experience with the denverton cpus was >> that they were too slow to push a gbit both ways without (as per the >> examples) reverting to dpdk, sd-wan and a bunch of other proprietary >> stuff. Sure they ran fanless but I have grown severe trust issues with >> anything that wasn't pure FOSS underneath. All those SD-wan layers and >> abstractions aren't a value add to me, but a increasingly major >> value-subtract. >> >> This home/branch oriented oriented box >> https://evenroute.com/iqrouter-pro has the oomph I like, but not >> enough real ethernets. I liked and trusted the apu2 (also fanless) but >> it's run out of steam. >> >> > On Thu, 5 May 2022, 1:19 am Dave Taht, wrote: >> >> >> >> Heh. Now that we are getting opinionated, I gave up on all vendors and their proprietary offloads, and tend to use small x86 nuc-like boxes with openwrt. I turn on the gui long enough to configure them, then turn it off. I get perfect uptime til power failures of my last deployment of the apu2s (which proved a little weak to run cake at a gbit, but were fine to 500Mbit). i3 or higher boxes push a gbit both ways easily. >> >> >> >> Upgrading is sometimes a PITA. I've been looking over https://openwisp.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AusNOG mailing list >> >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> >> >> >> -- >> FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ >> Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC From dave.taht at gmail.com Thu May 5 10:14:10 2022 From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 17:14:10 -0700 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> <34096486-3415-3cdd-80d2-9246677e7fe0@vitaldata.net> Message-ID: I guess my broader question is what's wrong with the mx60's default meraki OS in your view? they are 400 dollars new... From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Thu May 5 10:21:11 2022 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 08:21:11 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> <34096486-3415-3cdd-80d2-9246677e7fe0@vitaldata.net> Message-ID: Problem is the licensing costs. On Thu, 5 May 2022, 8:14 am Dave Taht, wrote: > I guess my broader question is what's wrong with the mx60's default > meraki OS in your view? they are 400 dollars new... > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.taht at gmail.com Thu May 5 10:28:46 2022 From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 17:28:46 -0700 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> <34096486-3415-3cdd-80d2-9246677e7fe0@vitaldata.net> Message-ID: On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 5:21 PM Mitch Kelly wrote: > > Problem is the licensing costs. I actually like the managed wifi approach with a monthly as it theoretically pays for ongoing software development and cve protection. Preseem has that problem - they charge 50 cents a user and this limits sales outside of major countries. Good product, though, great stats. https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS is still stumbling on ipv6 support, and my push has been to get the good fq/aqm algos into the edge boxes. The mikrotik work is working out well, but I hope for more. I also just read further and the mx60 ceased manufacturing 7 years ago and goes for under 35 on ebay typically. And can push 2.6gbits? > > On Thu, 5 May 2022, 8:14 am Dave Taht, wrote: >> >> I guess my broader question is what's wrong with the mx60's default >> meraki OS in your view? they are 400 dollars new... -- FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Thu May 5 10:32:34 2022 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 08:32:34 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> <34096486-3415-3cdd-80d2-9246677e7fe0@vitaldata.net> Message-ID: The processor is a PowerPC/ppc450. I've tested them with great success. I also have a few router boards that have had horrible Routeros removed and run openwrt also. Mitch On Thu, 5 May 2022, 8:28 am Dave Taht, wrote: > On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 5:21 PM Mitch Kelly wrote: > > > > Problem is the licensing costs. > > I actually like the managed wifi approach with a monthly as it > theoretically pays for ongoing software development and cve > protection. > > Preseem has that problem - they charge 50 cents a user and this limits > sales outside of major countries. Good product, though, great stats. > > https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS is still stumbling on ipv6 support, > and my push has been to get the good fq/aqm algos into the edge boxes. > The mikrotik work is working out well, but I hope for more. > > I also just read further and the mx60 ceased manufacturing 7 years ago > and goes for under 35 on ebay typically. And can push 2.6gbits? > > > > > On Thu, 5 May 2022, 8:14 am Dave Taht, wrote: > >> > >> I guess my broader question is what's wrong with the mx60's default > >> meraki OS in your view? they are 400 dollars new... > > > > -- > FQ World Domination pending: > https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.taht at gmail.com Thu May 5 10:39:07 2022 From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 17:39:07 -0700 Subject: [AusNOG] Fwd: NBN FTTP router recommendations 200MBps+ In-Reply-To: References: <35114bb8-3185-5ebd-445d-e6cdc91c9a79@vitaldata.net> <34096486-3415-3cdd-80d2-9246677e7fe0@vitaldata.net> Message-ID: On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 5:32 PM Mitch Kelly wrote: > > The processor is a PowerPC/ppc450. Well built, vintage, fast, and weird chip, so hard to attack. I used repurposed dec alphas for years as firewalls for this reason. > > I've tested them with great success. Most of the good gear should last 2 decades or more. Just needs better software. > > I also have a few router boards that have had horrible Routeros removed and run openwrt also. > > Mitch > > On Thu, 5 May 2022, 8:28 am Dave Taht, wrote: >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 5:21 PM Mitch Kelly wrote: >> > >> > Problem is the licensing costs. >> >> I actually like the managed wifi approach with a monthly as it >> theoretically pays for ongoing software development and cve >> protection. >> >> Preseem has that problem - they charge 50 cents a user and this limits >> sales outside of major countries. Good product, though, great stats. >> >> https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS is still stumbling on ipv6 support, >> and my push has been to get the good fq/aqm algos into the edge boxes. >> The mikrotik work is working out well, but I hope for more. >> >> I also just read further and the mx60 ceased manufacturing 7 years ago >> and goes for under 35 on ebay typically. And can push 2.6gbits? >> >> > >> > On Thu, 5 May 2022, 8:14 am Dave Taht, wrote: >> >> >> >> I guess my broader question is what's wrong with the mx60's default >> >> meraki OS in your view? they are 400 dollars new... >> >> >> >> -- >> FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ >> Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC -- FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC From ausnog at studio442.com.au Thu May 5 16:20:07 2022 From: ausnog at studio442.com.au (Julien Goodwin) Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 16:20:07 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Defunct copper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/5/22 10:07 am, Jim Woodward wrote: > On 05-05-2022 07:20, Andrew Fort wrote: > >> Once it reaches the ground, call 1100 :) >> >> On Wed, 4 May 2022, 5:11 pm Chris Chaundy, > > wrote: >> >> A little off-topic but does anyone know how you can get Telstra to >> remove defunct overhead copper cabling?? Our area has been >> switched to NBN but all cabling (power, NBN fibre and legacy >> Telstra copper is strung on power poles in that order from top to >> bottom.? Now I really DO mean bottom - the old copper is hanging >> down from the poles through bushes and along the ground at the top >> of my property (it may get accidentally tangled up in my >> brush-cutter one day :-). >> Seriously, it is a nuisance/hazard and I don't think that I have >> the strength or patience to attempt to deal with this through >> 'Telstra faults'! >> > > When I had a phone line break free of its primary pole mount and drop to > the point where I could touch it from the footpath outside my house I > called 13 22 03 and had Telstra come out, they removed the line from the > premesis side all the way back to the pole adjacent to the house on the > other side of the road. Since I have FTTP there was no need to maintain it. > > They came out within 24 hrs to remove it, details for that line below: Can't remember what line I ended up using, but a few years ago we were doing an audit of copper lines in one of our buildings to identify what might have been missed (either migration or cancellation) for NBN cutoffs, and while going through the MDF I noticed what appeared to be the start of a battery acid leak within a Telstra rack in the room. They had someone out *within an hour* (central Sydney), so yes, when there's a potential safety issue to third parties they do respond on a prompt basis. From Tom.Sykes at tpgtelecom.com.au Thu May 5 22:57:17 2022 From: Tom.Sykes at tpgtelecom.com.au (Tom Sykes) Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 12:57:17 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Technical product people? Message-ID: Hi all Long time no post for me.. We (TPG Telecom) have a couple of great opportunities for technical product people in our Enterprise/Government/Wholesale product group and I thought they would be a great match for some folks on this list who are looking for a change and a challenge. Specifically looking for product managers to lead the enterprise cloud portfolio and another to lead our wholesale network & voice products portfolio. For the wholesale one, experience as a product builder is essential....as is great ISP/infra/systems/NBN/voice knowledge. Being personally interested in the industry is really important too. If you are interested please chat to me off list and I can provide more details...thanks! 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Inferred improvements during Apr 2022: ASN Name Fixed-By 134697 LAUNTEL 2022-04-26 Further information for the inferred remediation is available at: https://spoofer.caida.org/remedy.php Source Address Validation issues inferred during Apr 2022: ASN Name First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed 7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP 2016-11-11 2022-04-18 45671 AS45671-NET-AU 2020-08-18 2022-04-24 133326 RIN 2022-02-22 2022-04-19 Further information for these tests where we received spoofed packets is available at: https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus&no_block=1 Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-info at caida.org From DavidV at techno.com.au Mon May 9 11:24:53 2022 From: DavidV at techno.com.au (David Vidos) Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 01:24:53 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Wanted - Dell Poweredge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In Melb. Fairly sure I have one, fully loaded with drives. Will check tonight if you are interested. Regards, David Vidos 0410 541 625 From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Cameron Murray Sent: Friday, 6 May 2022 5:18 PM To: Shane Hart Cc: Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Wanted - Dell Poweredge Shane, We may have one in the warehouse. I'll check next week. Cameron. On Fri, 6 May 2022, 5:15 pm Shane Hart, > wrote: I am chasing 3 x Dell Powedge R720 with H710 that take 3.5 drives. I?m in QLD Cheers _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane at sme.net.au Tue May 10 17:38:06 2022 From: shane at sme.net.au (Shane Hart) Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 07:38:06 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Wanted - Dell Poweredge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all that replied. I have some units on the way. 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We are looking for content that would suit technical sessions, tutorials, lightning talks, and panel discussions. Please note, the program committee is working to early deadlines so the APNIC 54 conference program can be announced. Speakers may present on stage in Singapore or remotely. APNIC 54 conference registration is free for all, however speakers must fund their own travel if presenting in-person. Key Dates Call for Presentations Opens 20 May 2022 First Round Acceptance 10 June 2022 Final Deadline for Submissions 01 July 2022 Final Round Acceptance 29 July 2022 Topics for conference sessions must be relevant to Internet operations and technologies. For possible areas of topics and submission details, please visit: https://conference.apnic.net/54/program/call-for-papers/ Prospective presenters should note that the majority of speaking slots will be filled well before the final submission deadline. The PC will retain a limited number of slots up to the final submission deadline for presentations that are exceptionally timely, important, or of critical operational importance. If you have any other ideas or proposals for panel or BoF sessions, please feel free to submit your ideas via the submission system. If you have any questions, please email the Program Committee at: apnic-pc at apnic.net The Program Committee members are: - Afifa Abbas, Banglalink - Achie Atienza, Globe Telecom - Cong Jen Ooi, MyNOG - Dave Phelan, APNIC - GZ Kabir, BDCOM - Kittinan Sriprasert, BKNIX - Masataka Matawari, JPIX - Minh Lay, KHNOG - Muhammad Moinur Rahman - Rahul Makhija, Esto Internet - Sanjeev Gupta, IPv6 Forum - Saqib Ali, University of Agriculture Faisalabad - Seung Lee, NTT Ltd. Australia - Sheryl (Shane) Hermoso, APNIC - Terence Sweetser, IO Networks, QUT, ISOC For more information about APNIC 54, please visit: https://conference.apnic.net/54 Regards, Muhammad Moinur Rahman, Chair Sheryl Hermoso, Co-Chair On behalf of APNIC 54 Program Committee -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 963 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP URL: From nikolai at lusan.id.au Sat May 21 00:02:46 2022 From: nikolai at lusan.id.au (Nikolai Lusan) Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 00:02:46 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Mammoth Media NOC contact. Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I seem to have a problem with people connecting from NGV Internet to my servers at BinaryLane (Mammoth Media). The problem is incoming only, not outgoing - the problem seems to be a routing error on the Mammoth Media routers (as136805.qld.ix.asn.au, as133159.qld.ix.asn.au, and at least one megaport router are the ones I have seen fail on the next hop towards the BinaryLane cluster). Could someone please contact me off list to discuss this? 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B35137D-BED5-4955-B0B8-D9A064A78ED3@jenn.id.au> If you are a binary lane customer, I would suggest raising a ticket with their support team in the first instance. Sent from my iPhone > On 21 May 2022, at 12:03 am, Nikolai Lusan wrote: > > ?-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > I seem to have a problem with people connecting from NGV Internet to my > servers at BinaryLane (Mammoth Media). The problem is incoming only, not > outgoing - the problem seems to be a routing error on the Mammoth Media > routers (as136805.qld.ix.asn.au, as133159.qld.ix.asn.au, and at least > one megaport router are the ones I have seen fail on the next hop > towards the BinaryLane cluster). > > Could someone please contact me off list to discuss this? 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I'll be around that way in the coming days for an install of an NBN service at one of our remote sites. Regards, Jason. On Fri, 6 May 2022 at 13:49, Bryn Loftus wrote: > Hi, I need a tech to do a very simple onsite (sim card installation) in > Shoalhaven Heads, NSW. > > Anyone on list around there? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From srowney at infinet.com.au Sat May 21 16:47:35 2022 From: srowney at infinet.com.au (Stephen Rowney) Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 06:47:35 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Hands a d feet Auckland nz References: <7e57b05d-60ab-4abe-a021-4828133988f6.fb0fda36-1e9b-429b-a5e0-f335f75a59df.c2910669-bb24-4e18-aac4-8ec432fffc1c@emailsignatures365.codetwo.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys I am looking for someone to do some on-site installs in Auckland nz. 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The A9K chassis could be upgraded to V2 for extended life. 1x ASR-9010-V2 2x ASR-9010-V1 6x A9K-RSP-4G 4x A9K-2T20GE-B 2x A9K-2T20GE-L 4x A9K-8T-B 3x A9K-4T-B 1x A9K-40GE-L 2x WS-C6503-E 2x WS-X6704-10GE 2x VS-S720-10G + VS-F6K-MSFC3 - VS-F6K-PFC3CXL 2x C6880-X 6x C6880-X-16P10G Regards, From stavros at staff.esc.net.au Wed May 25 14:59:23 2022 From: stavros at staff.esc.net.au (Stavros Patiniotis) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 14:29:23 +0930 Subject: [AusNOG] Dark Fibre Pricing Message-ID: <271d01d86ff4$33d43c00$9b7cb400$@staff.esc.net.au> Hi, I am seeking pricing for a dark fibre ring/circuit between NextDC M1, Equinix ME1, Melbourne DC, back to NextDC M1 (back via diverse path). Please reply off-list with pricing and relevant details. Cheers! 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Sent from my iPhone From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Wed May 25 17:41:41 2022 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 15:41:41 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Cisco N7K Up For grabs Message-ID: Hi, Looking to offload a Cisco Nexus 7K (10 Bay) with lots of cards and spares. 5x N7K-C7010-FAB-1 Fabric Modules (+1 or 2 spares) 3x N7K-PWR-6kW (1 Spare) 4x N7K-M132XP-12 24 Port 10G SFP Line Cards (96 Ports) 2x N7K-SUP-1 (1 Spare) 2x N7K-M148GT-11 48 Port 10/100/1000 Copper Lots of spare Fans and Fan Trays Comes As-is, Will need two or 3 people to move. Can help. Located in Vic Park WA. $1500 cash or crypto. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Mitch Kelly Sent: Wednesday, 25 May 2022 5:42 PM To: Ausnog Subject: [AusNOG] Cisco N7K Up For grabs Hi, Looking to offload a Cisco Nexus 7K (10 Bay) with lots of cards and spares. 5x N7K-C7010-FAB-1 Fabric Modules (+1 or 2 spares) 3x N7K-PWR-6kW (1 Spare) 4x N7K-M132XP-12 24 Port 10G SFP Line Cards (96 Ports) 2x N7K-SUP-1 (1 Spare) 2x N7K-M148GT-11 48 Port 10/100/1000 Copper Lots of spare Fans and Fan Trays Comes As-is, Will need two or 3 people to move. Can help. Located in Vic Park WA. $1500 cash or crypto. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 4595 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Wed May 25 17:54:16 2022 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 15:54:16 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Cisco N7K Up For grabs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tell ya What, $700 or best offer/crypto for the one in Perth :) On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 3:48 PM Nathan Brookfield < Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote: > I?m going to add onto this, I have the identical chassis in Equinix SY1 > that I will be decommissioning next week and looking to offload: > > > > 2 x N7K-SUP1 > > 3 x N7K-M132XP-12 > > 2 x N7K-M148GT-11 > > 1 x N7K-M148GS-11 > > 5 x N7K-C7010-FAB-1 > > > > $500.00ex with Tax Invoice but will consider all offers ? > > > > > *Nathan Brookfield *General Manager > > *p*: 02 4749 4949 | 1300 592 330 | > *e* Nathan.brookfield at iperium.com.au | *w*: iperium.com.au > > Suite 702, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 200 > > > *Your Telco Team* > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This > electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, > contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and > otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual > property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the > information contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, > please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any > computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by > reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are > solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of > Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient > should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. > Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted > by this email. > > > > *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Mitch Kelly > *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 May 2022 5:42 PM > *To:* Ausnog > *Subject:* [AusNOG] Cisco N7K Up For grabs > > > > Hi, > > > > Looking to offload a Cisco Nexus 7K (10 Bay) with lots of cards and spares. > > > > 5x N7K-C7010-FAB-1 Fabric Modules (+1 or 2 spares) > > 3x N7K-PWR-6kW (1 Spare) > > 4x N7K-M132XP-12 24 Port 10G SFP Line Cards (96 Ports) > > 2x N7K-SUP-1 (1 Spare) > > 2x N7K-M148GT-11 48 Port 10/100/1000 Copper > > Lots of spare Fans and Fan Trays > > > > Comes As-is, Will need two or 3 people to move. Can help. > > > > Located in Vic Park WA. > > > $1500 cash or crypto. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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