[AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making
Chad Kelly
chad at cpkws.com.au
Tue Dec 6 15:57:11 AEDT 2022
Hi If you look up the ABN for www.zoombroadband.com.au<http://www.zoombroadband.com.au> its not even registered as a business name or company and the ABN is for a bunch of Solar companies.
Chad Kelly
Manager
CPK Web Services
Phone 03 52730246
Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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From: Mitch Kelly <mitchkelly24 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 2:05 PM
To: Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au>
Cc: jhellenthal at DataIX.net; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making
A quick search on ASIC and Equifax results Hypernet Services PTY LTD, Showing a Permanently closed on google with an address in Linfield NSW (Same Director ID). Place doesnt look like where this kind of service would operate from.
Looks like they move around alot with 6 Registered locations in the last 8 years.
Equifax report shows varying history of previous companies unde the Director ID, Doesn't look good, But i don't have access to see more than 2
I would certainly be steering clear of this company.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:57 AM Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>> wrote:
Yeah will be interesting to see what happens in 6 months.
Regards Chad.
Chad Kelly
Manager
CPK Web Services
Phone 03 52730246
Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making
Good analogy.
given the amount of money they most likely inested in this, considering whhat they are not holding upto and the descrepencies to date of failures to complete... I can see why these guys do not have their shit in place or inn other words this is not legit at all and very scary at that considering the recent TrustCor threat.
Not trying to head this one way or another but shits fishy as fishy gets.
On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 12:10:17AM +0000, Chad Kelly wrote:
> Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates
> written by a law firm in Sydney.
>
> But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the
> contact details and the names to reflect their own operation.
>
> That said they haven’t even registered the business name or the company
> name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn’t be allowed to either as it’s a
> breach of Zoom’s trademark as they operate in the same sector.
>
> Regards Chad.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
>
>
>
> From: Christopher Hawker <chris at thesysadmin.dev<mailto:chris at thesysadmin.dev>>
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM
> To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>; J. Hellenthal
> <jhellenthal at dataix.net<mailto:jhellenthal at dataix.net>>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>; Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
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>
>
> Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole
> "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34,
> it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom
> of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract
> from other bad things though.
>
>
>
> https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj
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> CH.
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> From: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM
> To: J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net<mailto:jhellenthal at dataix.net>>
> Cc: Christopher Hawker <chris at thesysadmin.dev<mailto:chris at thesysadmin.dev>>; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>; Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
>
>
> We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear!
>
> On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net<mailto:jhellenthal at dataix.net>> wrote:
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> Should have included the link
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>
> <preview.png>
> ZBB-PP-CTC-V1
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> PDF Document · 246 KB
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> J. Hellenthal
>
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says
> a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net<mailto:jhellenthal at dataix.net>> wrote:
>
> It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3
> bucket.
>
> --
>
> J. Hellenthal
>
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven
> says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker <chris at thesysadmin.dev<mailto:chris at thesysadmin.dev>>
> wrote:
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>
>
> Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses
> as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the
> sole director and shareholder.
>
>
>
> CH.
>
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> Get Outlook for Android
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> Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>
> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM
> To: J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net<mailto:jhellenthal at dataix.net>>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>; Chad Kelly
> <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
>
>
> It’s been 15 years since I worked there, but I’m pretty sure 1
> Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus….
>
> On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net<mailto:jhellenthal at dataix.net>> wrote:
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>
> Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ...
>
>
>
> Phone: 1300 727 414
>
> Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113
>
> Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949
>
> Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006
> www.zoombroadband.com.au<http://www.zoombroadband.com.au>
>
>
>
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>
> J. Hellenthal
>
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven
> says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on
> Ozbargain so I didn’t get in trouble with the mods for breaching
> some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam.
>
> I am surprised the wholesale provider didn’t do more background
> checks on the provider before on boarding them.
>
> They are going to get burnt.
>
> I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as
> well.
>
> I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read
> for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild.
>
> I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are
> complete junk.
>
>
>
> Regards Chad.
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com<mailto:brad at bradleyamm.com>>
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM
> To: Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>>
> Cc: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>;
> ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
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> https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl
>
>
>
> There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband.
>
> If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably
> advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP.
>
> The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like
> they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a
> matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done
> by the server – it's all client side.
>
> What does that mean?
>
> In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that
> visits the website), you can see:
> – The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason –
> anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your
> card, and see ALL transactions)
> – The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are
> stored)
> – FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to
> be viewed, and services to be modified
> – What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for
> sending SMS
> – Secrets to access the Radius server
> – Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given
> to them
>
> And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have
> nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account
> – jberry at hypernet.com.au<mailto:jberry at hypernet.com.au> – what a strange coincidence
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yeah I get that.
>
> Bit concerned they’ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for
> an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half
> decent in terms of network.
>
> You need a few more million for marketing on top of that.
>
> This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they
> already have a captive audience to sell to and they’ve gone layer
> 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do
> it properly.
>
>
>
> This is why I went for the business side of the market partly
> because we were already a business to business provider but the
> margins on business broadband are so much better than residential.
>
>
>
> Regards Chad.
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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> From: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>
> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM
> To: Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
>
>
> It’s all about volume.
>
> Nathan Brookfield
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> On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Just to clarify it wasn’t so much the plans pricing that was
> concerning me, but more the lack of margin.
>
> $3 per customer isn’t a lot for things like support and monitoring
> etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making
> around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus.
>
> End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions
> on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go
> anyway.
>
> Regards Chad.
>
>
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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> From: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>
> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
>
>
> Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they’re
> pretty reasonable especially if they’re an RSP.
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> On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au<mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All .
>
> Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while
> doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au<http://www.zoombroadband.com.au> .
>
> Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model
> horrifies me.
>
> Plus this post on Ozbargain
> https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment
>
> Look at page 5.
>
> Now I know the margins on NBN aren’t fantastic but $3 I wouldn’t
> even waste time with.
>
> I mean I don’t want to discourage new players from entering the
> market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be
> able to walk before you can run.
>
> Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms
> alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct.
>
> Regards Chad.
>
>
>
>
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>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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