[AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making
J. Hellenthal
jhellenthal at dataix.net
Tue Dec 6 13:24:27 AEDT 2022
Good point
On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 10:46:28PM +0000, Nathan Brookfield wrote:
> We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear!
>
> On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net> wrote:
>
> Should have included the link
>
> <preview.png>
> ZBB-PP-CTC-V1
> PDF Document · 246 KB
>
> --
> J. Hellenthal
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says
> a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net> wrote:
>
> It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3
> bucket.
>
> --
> J. Hellenthal
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven
> says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker <chris at thesysadmin.dev>
> wrote:
>
>
> Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses
> as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the
> sole director and shareholder.
> CH.
> Get Outlook for Android
>
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> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> on behalf of Nathan
> Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM
> To: J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>; Chad Kelly
> <chad at cpkws.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
> It’s been 15 years since I worked there, but I’m pretty sure 1
> Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus….
>
> On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal <jhellenthal at dataix.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ...
> Phone: 1300 727 414
> Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113
> Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949
> Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006
> www.zoombroadband.com.au
> --
> J. Hellenthal
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven
> says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on
> Ozbargain so I didn’t get in trouble with the mods for breaching
> some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam.
>
> I am surprised the wholesale provider didn’t do more background
> checks on the provider before on boarding them.
>
> They are going to get burnt.
>
> I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as
> well.
>
> I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read
> for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild.
>
> I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are
> complete junk.
>
>
>
> Regards Chad.
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com>
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM
> To: Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au>
> Cc: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>;
> ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
>
>
>
>
> https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl
>
>
>
> There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband.
>
> If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably
> advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP.
>
> The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like
> they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a
> matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done
> by the server – it's all client side.
>
> What does that mean?
>
> In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that
> visits the website), you can see:
> – The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason –
> anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your
> card, and see ALL transactions)
> – The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are
> stored)
> – FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to
> be viewed, and services to be modified
> – What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for
> sending SMS
> – Secrets to access the Radius server
> – Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given
> to them
>
> And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have
> nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account
> – jberry at hypernet.com.au – what a strange coincidence
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yeah I get that.
>
> Bit concerned they’ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for
> an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half
> decent in terms of network.
>
> You need a few more million for marketing on top of that.
>
> This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they
> already have a captive audience to sell to and they’ve gone layer
> 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do
> it properly.
>
>
>
> This is why I went for the business side of the market partly
> because we were already a business to business provider but the
> margins on business broadband are so much better than residential.
>
>
>
> Regards Chad.
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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> From: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM
> To: Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
>
>
> It’s all about volume.
>
> Nathan Brookfield
> General Manager
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> On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Just to clarify it wasn’t so much the plans pricing that was
> concerning me, but more the lack of margin.
>
> $3 per customer isn’t a lot for things like support and monitoring
> etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making
> around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus.
>
> End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions
> on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go
> anyway.
>
> Regards Chad.
>
>
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
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> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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> From: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM
> To: Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the
> making
>
>
>
> Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they’re
> pretty reasonable especially if they’re an RSP.
>
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> Nathan Brookfield
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> On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All .
>
> Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while
> doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au .
>
> Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model
> horrifies me.
>
> Plus this post on Ozbargain
> https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment
>
> Look at page 5.
>
> Now I know the margins on NBN aren’t fantastic but $3 I wouldn’t
> even waste time with.
>
> I mean I don’t want to discourage new players from entering the
> market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be
> able to walk before you can run.
>
> Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms
> alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct.
>
> Regards Chad.
>
>
>
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>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
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