From chad at cpkws.com.au Fri Dec 2 23:14:56 2022 From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 12:14:56 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Message-ID: Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren't fantastic but $3 I wouldn't even waste time with. I mean I don't want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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URL: From chad at cpkws.com.au Sat Dec 3 19:22:05 2022 From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 08:22:05 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: <299FF46B-085B-46E0-A995-F45387D9464C@iperium.com.au> References: <3ADC30DC-9137-4478-9ADC-66FFE2A5DF8B@iperium.com.au> <299FF46B-085B-46E0-A995-F45387D9464C@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [cid:image001.jpg at 01D9074A.740D18D0] From: Nathan Brookfield Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 97720 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From brad at bradleyamm.com Mon Dec 5 22:44:35 2022 From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 11:44:35 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3ADC30DC-9137-4478-9ADC-66FFE2A5DF8B@iperium.com.au> <299FF46B-085B-46E0-A995-F45387D9464C@iperium.com.au>, Message-ID: https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [image001.jpg] From: Nathan Brookfield Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [image001.jpg] From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 97720 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From jhellenthal at dataix.net Mon Dec 5 23:47:30 2022 From: jhellenthal at dataix.net (J. Hellenthal) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 06:47:30 -0600 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D3A86D0-9C05-4FB1-82B0-00070F274455@dataix.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Mon Dec 5 23:52:18 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 12:52:18 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: <6D3A86D0-9C05-4FB1-82B0-00070F274455@dataix.net> References: <6D3A86D0-9C05-4FB1-82B0-00070F274455@dataix.net> Message-ID: <6165CE05-5B14-44A2-AF31-7E03B91CFFE4@iperium.com.au> It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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Hellenthal wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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URL: From chad at cpkws.com.au Tue Dec 6 00:19:43 2022 From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 13:19:43 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <6D3A86D0-9C05-4FB1-82B0-00070F274455@dataix.net> <6165CE05-5B14-44A2-AF31-7E03B91CFFE4@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: Someone on WP mentioned that Zoom Broadband PTY LTD was originally registered in India. You only need one sole Au based director to get an CAN. Details might of even been stolen plenty of practices like that going on out of foreign countries where they setup web development agencies that look Australian based but are actually India based throw a site together in 5 minutes chop shops. It normally on the cheaper end of the market for that as well. Though in this case its probably just Jake B being shifty and trying to get around regulators as he has had two failed ISPs in the past few years. Though it is odd as when I looked at the ACN the other day or the ABN actually it was connected to a couple of solar energy companies. Well Business names actually they weren?t companies, and oddly enough Zoom Broadband wasn?t listed as a Business name. Frankly I am surprised Synergy wholesale even let them register the domain name as Zoom is Trademarked and a TIO member so operates in the same sector. Also Zoom BB claim to be burning through 130 thousand dollars a month which if true just horrifies me. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [cid:image001.jpg at 01D90907.2F844940] From: Christopher Hawker Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 11:59 PM To: Nathan Brookfield ; J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder. CH. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Nathan Brookfield >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker wrote: ? Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder. CH. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Nathan Brookfield Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM To: J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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Hellenthal Cc: Christopher Hawker ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal wrote: ? Should have included the link ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 PDF Document ? 246 KB -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal wrote: ?It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 bucket. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker wrote: ? Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder. CH. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Nathan Brookfield Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM To: J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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URL: From chris at thesysadmin.dev Tue Dec 6 11:07:56 2022 From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 00:07:56 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: Having said that, looking at AS150398 their only peer is AS150127, and their contact numbers are one digit apart (Hypernet being 02 7253 0568 and Zoom being 02 7253 0569). AS150127 Hypernet - bgp.he.net AS150398 Zoom Broadband - bgp.he.net I smell a rat... CH. ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Christopher Hawker Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 10:55 AM To: Nathan Brookfield ; J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract from other bad things though. https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj CH. ________________________________ From: Nathan Brookfield Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM To: J. Hellenthal Cc: Christopher Hawker ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal wrote: ? Should have included the link ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 PDF Document ? 246 KB -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal wrote: ?It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 bucket. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker wrote: ? Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder. CH. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Nathan Brookfield Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM To: J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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URL: From chad at cpkws.com.au Tue Dec 6 11:10:17 2022 From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 00:10:17 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates written by a law firm in Sydney. But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the contact details and the names to reflect their own operation. That said they haven?t even registered the business name or the company name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn?t be allowed to either as it?s a breach of Zoom?s trademark as they operate in the same sector. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [cid:image001.jpg at 01D90962.EFEF4260] From: Christopher Hawker Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM To: Nathan Brookfield ; J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract from other bad things though. https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj CH. ________________________________ From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: Christopher Hawker >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ? Should have included the link ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 PDF Document ? 246 KB -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ?It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 bucket. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker > wrote: ? Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder. CH. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Nathan Brookfield >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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Hellenthal) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 02:14:24 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: Good analogy. given the amount of money they most likely inested in this, considering whhat they are not holding upto and the descrepencies to date of failures to complete... I can see why these guys do not have their shit in place or inn other words this is not legit at all and very scary at that considering the recent TrustCor threat. Not trying to head this one way or another but shits fishy as fishy gets. On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 12:10:17AM +0000, Chad Kelly wrote: > Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates > written by a law firm in Sydney. > > But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the > contact details and the names to reflect their own operation. > > That said they haven?t even registered the business name or the company > name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn?t be allowed to either as it?s a > breach of Zoom?s trademark as they operate in the same sector. > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > From: Christopher Hawker > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM > To: Nathan Brookfield ; J. Hellenthal > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > > > Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole > "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, > it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom > of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract > from other bad things though. > > > > https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj > > > > CH. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM > To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: Christopher Hawker ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > ; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > > > We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! > > On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > > > Should have included the link > > > > > ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 > > PDF Document ? 246 KB > > > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says > a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 > bucket. > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker > wrote: > > > > Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses > as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the > sole director and shareholder. > > > > CH. > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: AusNOG on behalf of Nathan > Brookfield > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM > To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 > Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. > > On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > > > Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... > > > > Phone: 1300 727 414 > > Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 > > Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 > > Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 > www.zoombroadband.com.au > > > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on > Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching > some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. > > I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background > checks on the provider before on boarding them. > > They are going to get burnt. > > I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as > well. > > I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read > for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. > > I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are > complete junk. > > > > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Bradley Amm > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; > ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > > > https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl > > > > There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. > > If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably > advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. > > The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like > they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a > matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done > by the server ? it's all client side. > > What does that mean? > > In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that > visits the website), you can see: > ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? > anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your > card, and see ALL transactions) > ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are > stored) > ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to > be viewed, and services to be modified > ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for > sending SMS > ? Secrets to access the Radius server > ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given > to them > > And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have > nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account > ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Yeah I get that. > > Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for > an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half > decent in terms of network. > > You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. > > This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they > already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer > 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do > it properly. > > > > This is why I went for the business side of the market partly > because we were already a business to business provider but the > margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. > > > > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > It?s all about volume. > > Nathan Brookfield > General Manager > > p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > Your Connectivity Team > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Hi > > Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was > concerning me, but more the lack of margin. > > $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring > etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making > around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. > > End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions > on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go > anyway. > > Regards Chad. > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re > pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. > > > > > NBN > > iperium.com.au > > > > > > Nathan Brookfield > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Hi All . > > Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while > doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . > > Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model > horrifies me. > > Plus this post on Ozbargain > https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment > > Look at page 5. > > Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t > even waste time with. > > I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the > market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be > able to walk before you can run. > > Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms > alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 533 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jhellenthal at dataix.net Tue Dec 6 13:24:27 2022 From: jhellenthal at dataix.net (J. Hellenthal) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 02:24:27 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: Good point On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 10:46:28PM +0000, Nathan Brookfield wrote: > We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! > > On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > Should have included the link > > > ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 > PDF Document ? 246 KB > > -- > J. Hellenthal > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says > a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 > bucket. > > -- > J. Hellenthal > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker > wrote: > > > Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses > as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the > sole director and shareholder. > CH. > Get Outlook for Android > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: AusNOG on behalf of Nathan > Brookfield > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM > To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 > Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. > > On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... > Phone: 1300 727 414 > Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 > Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 > Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 > www.zoombroadband.com.au > -- > J. Hellenthal > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on > Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching > some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. > > I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background > checks on the provider before on boarding them. > > They are going to get burnt. > > I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as > well. > > I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read > for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. > > I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are > complete junk. > > > > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Bradley Amm > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; > ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > > > https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl > > > > There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. > > If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably > advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. > > The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like > they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a > matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done > by the server ? it's all client side. > > What does that mean? > > In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that > visits the website), you can see: > ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? > anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your > card, and see ALL transactions) > ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are > stored) > ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to > be viewed, and services to be modified > ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for > sending SMS > ? Secrets to access the Radius server > ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given > to them > > And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have > nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account > ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Yeah I get that. > > Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for > an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half > decent in terms of network. > > You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. > > This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they > already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer > 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do > it properly. > > > > This is why I went for the business side of the market partly > because we were already a business to business provider but the > margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. > > > > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > It?s all about volume. > > Nathan Brookfield > General Manager > > p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > Your Connectivity Team > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Hi > > Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was > concerning me, but more the lack of margin. > > $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring > etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making > around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. > > End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions > on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go > anyway. > > Regards Chad. > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re > pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. > > > > > NBN > > iperium.com.au > > > > > > Nathan Brookfield > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Hi All . > > Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while > doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . > > Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model > horrifies me. > > Plus this post on Ozbargain > https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment > > Look at page 5. > > Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t > even waste time with. > > I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the > market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be > able to walk before you can run. > > Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms > alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 533 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chad at cpkws.com.au Tue Dec 6 13:57:04 2022 From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 02:57:04 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: Yeah will be interesting to see what happens in 6 months. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au -----Original Message----- From: J. Hellenthal Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 1:14 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: Christopher Hawker ; Nathan Brookfield ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Good analogy. given the amount of money they most likely inested in this, considering whhat they are not holding upto and the descrepencies to date of failures to complete... I can see why these guys do not have their shit in place or inn other words this is not legit at all and very scary at that considering the recent TrustCor threat. Not trying to head this one way or another but shits fishy as fishy gets. On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 12:10:17AM +0000, Chad Kelly wrote: > Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates > written by a law firm in Sydney. > > But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the > contact details and the names to reflect their own operation. > > That said they haven?t even registered the business name or the company > name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn?t be allowed to either as it?s a > breach of Zoom?s trademark as they operate in the same sector. > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > From: Christopher Hawker > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM > To: Nathan Brookfield ; J. Hellenthal > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole > "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, > it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom > of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract > from other bad things though. > > > > https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj > > > > CH. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM > To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: Christopher Hawker ; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > ; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! > > On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > > > Should have included the link > > > > > ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 > > PDF Document ? 246 KB > > > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says > a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 > bucket. > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker > wrote: > > > > Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses > as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the > sole director and shareholder. > > > > CH. > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > From: AusNOG on behalf of Nathan > Brookfield > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM > To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 > Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. > > On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal wrote: > > > > Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... > > > > Phone: 1300 727 414 > > Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 > > Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 > > Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 > www.zoombroadband.com.au > > > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on > Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching > some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. > > I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background > checks on the provider before on boarding them. > > They are going to get burnt. > > I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as > well. > > I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read > for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. > > I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are > complete junk. > > > > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Bradley Amm > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; > ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > > > https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl > > > > There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. > > If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably > advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. > > The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like > they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a > matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done > by the server ? it's all client side. > > What does that mean? > > In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that > visits the website), you can see: > ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? > anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your > card, and see ALL transactions) > ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are > stored) > ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to > be viewed, and services to be modified > ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for > sending SMS > ? Secrets to access the Radius server > ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given > to them > > And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have > nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account > ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Yeah I get that. > > Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for > an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half > decent in terms of network. > > You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. > > This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they > already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer > 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do > it properly. > > > > This is why I went for the business side of the market partly > because we were already a business to business provider but the > margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. > > > > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > It?s all about volume. > > Nathan Brookfield > General Manager > > p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: > https://Iperium.com.au > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > Your Connectivity Team > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Hi > > Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was > concerning me, but more the lack of margin. > > $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring > etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making > around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. > > End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions > on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go > anyway. > > Regards Chad. > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re > pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. > > > > > NBN > > iperium.com.au > > > > > > Nathan Brookfield > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > Hi All . > > Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while > doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . > > Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model > horrifies me. > > Plus this post on Ozbargain > https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment > > Look at page 5. > > Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t > even waste time with. > > I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the > market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be > able to walk before you can run. > > Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms > alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 14:05:15 2022 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 11:05:15 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: A quick search on ASIC and Equifax results Hypernet Services PTY LTD, Showing a Permanently closed on google with an address in Linfield NSW (Same Director ID). Place doesnt look like where this kind of service would operate from. Looks like they move around alot with 6 Registered locations in the last 8 years. Equifax report shows varying history of previous companies unde the Director ID, Doesn't look good, But i don't have access to see more than 2 I would certainly be steering clear of this company. On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:57 AM Chad Kelly wrote: > Yeah will be interesting to see what happens in 6 months. > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > Manager > CPK Web Services > Phone 03 52730246 > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Hellenthal > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 1:14 PM > To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Christopher Hawker ; Nathan Brookfield < > Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > > Good analogy. > > given the amount of money they most likely inested in this, considering > whhat they are not holding upto and the descrepencies to date of failures > to complete... I can see why these guys do not have their shit in place or > inn other words this is not legit at all and very scary at that considering > the recent TrustCor threat. > > Not trying to head this one way or another but shits fishy as fishy gets. > > > On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 12:10:17AM +0000, Chad Kelly wrote: > > Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates > > written by a law firm in Sydney. > > > > But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the > > contact details and the names to reflect their own operation. > > > > That said they haven?t even registered the business name or the > company > > name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn?t be allowed to either as it?s a > > breach of Zoom?s trademark as they operate in the same sector. > > > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > > > Manager > > > > CPK Web Services > > > > Phone 03 52730246 > > > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > > > From: Christopher Hawker > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM > > To: Nathan Brookfield ; J. > Hellenthal > > > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > > making > > > > > > > > Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole > > "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page > 34, > > it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the > bottom > > of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to > detract > > from other bad things though. > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj > > > > > > > > CH. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM > > To: J. Hellenthal > > Cc: Christopher Hawker ; > ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > > ; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > > making > > > > > > > > We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! > > > > On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > > > > > > > Should have included the link > > > > > > > > > > ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 > > > > PDF Document ? 246 KB > > > > > > > > -- > > > > J. Hellenthal > > > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says > > a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > > > It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 > > bucket. > > > > -- > > > > J. Hellenthal > > > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to > Heaven > > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker < > chris at thesysadmin.dev> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two > addresses > > as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being > the > > sole director and shareholder. > > > > > > > > CH. > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > From: AusNOG on behalf of Nathan > > Brookfield > > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM > > To: J. Hellenthal > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly > > > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > > making > > > > > > > > It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 > > Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. > > > > On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > > > > > > > Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... > > > > > > > > Phone: 1300 727 414 > > > > Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 > > > > Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 > > > > Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 > > www.zoombroadband.com.au > > > > > > > > -- > > > > J. Hellenthal > > > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to > Heaven > > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these > guys on > > Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching > > some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a > scam. > > > > I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background > > checks on the provider before on boarding them. > > > > They are going to get burnt. > > > > I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation > as > > well. > > > > I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads > read > > for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the > wild. > > > > I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins > are > > complete junk. > > > > > > > > Regards Chad. > > > > Chad Kelly > > > > Manager > > > > CPK Web Services > > > > Phone 03 52730246 > > > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bradley Amm > > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM > > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: Nathan Brookfield ; > > ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in > the > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl > > > > > > > > There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. > > > > If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably > > advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. > > > > The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like > > they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. > As a > > matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being > done > > by the server ? it's all client side. > > > > What does that mean? > > > > In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* > that > > visits the website), you can see: > > ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a > reason ? > > anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to > your > > card, and see ALL transactions) > > ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are > > stored) > > ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service > information to > > be viewed, and services to be modified > > ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for > > sending SMS > > ? Secrets to access the Radius server > > ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've > given > > to them > > > > And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have > > nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account > > ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah I get that. > > > > Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing > for > > an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half > > decent in terms of network. > > > > You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. > > > > This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they > > already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone > layer > > 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions > to do > > it properly. > > > > > > > > This is why I went for the business side of the market partly > > because we were already a business to business provider but > the > > margins on business broadband are so much better than > residential. > > > > > > > > Regards Chad. > > > > Chad Kelly > > > > Manager > > > > CPK Web Services > > > > Phone 03 52730246 > > > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM > > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband > in the > > making > > > > > > > > It?s all about volume. > > > > Nathan Brookfield > > General Manager > > > > p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: > > https://Iperium.com.au > > > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > > > Your Connectivity Team > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any > files > > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected > under > > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The > use, > > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > > contained in this document, by any person other than the > > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this > document > > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete > all the > > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal > privilege > > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. > Any > > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author > and do > > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any > damage > > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was > > concerning me, but more the lack of margin. > > > > $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and > monitoring > > etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be > making > > around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. > > > > End of the day its up to each provider to make their own > decisions > > on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they > go > > anyway. > > > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > > > Manager > > > > CPK Web Services > > > > Phone 03 52730246 > > > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM > > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband > in the > > making > > > > > > > > Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think > they?re > > pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. > > > > > > > > > > NBN > > > > iperium.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > Nathan Brookfield > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any > files > > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected > under > > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The > use, > > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > > contained in this document, by any person other than the > > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this > document > > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete > all the > > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal > privilege > > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. > Any > > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author > and do > > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any > damage > > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > > > On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All . > > > > Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while > > doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . > > > > Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model > > horrifies me. > > > > Plus this post on Ozbargain > > https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment > > > > Look at page 5. > > > > Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I > wouldn?t > > even waste time with. > > > > I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering > the > > market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to > be > > able to walk before you can run. > > > > Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the > Comms > > alliance for ISPs. 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URL: From chad at cpkws.com.au Tue Dec 6 15:57:11 2022 From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 04:57:11 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: Hi If you look up the ABN for www.zoombroadband.com.au its not even registered as a business name or company and the ABN is for a bunch of Solar companies. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [cid:image001.jpg at 01D9098B.67298A20] From: Mitch Kelly Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 2:05 PM To: Chad Kelly Cc: jhellenthal at DataIX.net; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making A quick search on ASIC and Equifax results Hypernet Services PTY LTD, Showing a Permanently closed on google with an address in Linfield NSW (Same Director ID). Place doesnt look like where this kind of service would operate from. Looks like they move around alot with 6 Registered locations in the last 8 years. Equifax report shows varying history of previous companies unde the Director ID, Doesn't look good, But i don't have access to see more than 2 I would certainly be steering clear of this company. On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:57 AM Chad Kelly > wrote: Yeah will be interesting to see what happens in 6 months. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au -----Original Message----- From: J. Hellenthal > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 1:14 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Christopher Hawker >; Nathan Brookfield >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Good analogy. given the amount of money they most likely inested in this, considering whhat they are not holding upto and the descrepencies to date of failures to complete... I can see why these guys do not have their shit in place or inn other words this is not legit at all and very scary at that considering the recent TrustCor threat. Not trying to head this one way or another but shits fishy as fishy gets. On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 12:10:17AM +0000, Chad Kelly wrote: > Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates > written by a law firm in Sydney. > > But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the > contact details and the names to reflect their own operation. > > That said they haven?t even registered the business name or the company > name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn?t be allowed to either as it?s a > breach of Zoom?s trademark as they operate in the same sector. > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > From: Christopher Hawker > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM > To: Nathan Brookfield >; J. Hellenthal > > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole > "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, > it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom > of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract > from other bad things though. > > > > https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj > > > > CH. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM > To: J. Hellenthal > > Cc: Christopher Hawker >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > >; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! > > On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > > > Should have included the link > > > > > ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 > > PDF Document ? 246 KB > > > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says > a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 > bucket. > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker > > wrote: > > > > Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses > as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the > sole director and shareholder. > > > > CH. > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nathan > Brookfield > > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM > To: J. Hellenthal > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 > Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. > > On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > > > Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... > > > > Phone: 1300 727 414 > > Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 > > Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 > > Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 > www.zoombroadband.com.au > > > > -- > > J. Hellenthal > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven > says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > > > Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on > Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching > some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. > > I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background > checks on the provider before on boarding them. > > They are going to get burnt. > > I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as > well. > > I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read > for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. > > I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are > complete junk. > > > > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Bradley Amm > > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: Nathan Brookfield >; > ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > > > https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl > > > > There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. > > If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably > advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. > > The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like > they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a > matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done > by the server ? it's all client side. > > What does that mean? > > In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that > visits the website), you can see: > ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? > anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your > card, and see ALL transactions) > ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are > stored) > ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to > be viewed, and services to be modified > ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for > sending SMS > ? Secrets to access the Radius server > ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given > to them > > And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have > nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account > ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > > > Yeah I get that. > > Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for > an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half > decent in terms of network. > > You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. > > This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they > already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer > 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do > it properly. > > > > This is why I went for the business side of the market partly > because we were already a business to business provider but the > margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. > > > > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > It?s all about volume. > > Nathan Brookfield > General Manager > > p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: > https://Iperium.com.au > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > Your Connectivity Team > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > > > Hi > > Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was > concerning me, but more the lack of margin. > > $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring > etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making > around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. > > End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions > on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go > anyway. > > Regards Chad. > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the > making > > > > Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re > pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. > > > > > NBN > > iperium.com.au > > > > > > Nathan Brookfield > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, > disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information > contained in this document, by any person other than the > addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the > material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege > are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do > not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the > presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > > > Hi All . > > Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while > doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . > > Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model > horrifies me. > > Plus this post on Ozbargain > https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment > > Look at page 5. > > Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t > even waste time with. > > I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the > market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be > able to walk before you can run. > > Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms > alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. > > Regards Chad. > > > > > > > > > > Chad Kelly > > Manager > > CPK Web Services > > Phone 03 52730246 > > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chad?s comments are legit from a domain registration perspective however core terns are probably well more poignant to the bigger issue. -DD From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Noel Butler Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 11:05 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making On 06/12/2022 14:57, Chad Kelly wrote: Hi If you look up the ABN for www.zoombroadband.com.au its not even registered as a business name or company and the ABN is for a bunch of Solar companies. huh? This is my lookup return from the ABN in their core terms doc Name: ZOOM BROADBAND PTY LTD ACN: 663 007 949 ABN: 99 663 007 949 Registration date: 10/10/2022 Next review date: 10/10/2023 Status: Registered Type: Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares Locality of registered office: FORTITUDE VALLEY QLD 4006 Regulator: Australian Securities & Investments Commission -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noel.butler at ausics.net Tue Dec 6 23:21:45 2022 From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2022 22:21:45 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> <6a161becc0849f60c08b793d83a5f861@ausics.net> Message-ID: <30fecff99742d14abadd537deac226b7@ausics.net> without looking into it, perhaps thats who the rego was provided by why play the unreliable whois guessing game when you can use a proven source because that source clearly shows them being a registered entity which is what some people here are suggesting they are not, or at least, thats the perception. On 06/12/2022 22:12, David Dunn wrote: > Based on a simple domain whois you're getting the following back: > > Registrant: CIMA GROUP PTY LTD > > Registrant ID: ABN 72636966302 -- Regards, Noel Butler This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality, copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery of this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at daviddunn.com.au Tue Dec 6 23:29:19 2022 From: david at daviddunn.com.au (David Dunn) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 12:29:19 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: <30fecff99742d14abadd537deac226b7@ausics.net> References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> <6a161becc0849f60c08b793d83a5f861@ausics.net> <30fecff99742d14abadd537deac226b7@ausics.net> Message-ID: Understood Noel, Agree with you there, to become a NBN reseller there are surely some hoops (I?m not privy to them). In defense of Chad I?m pretty sure he?s just pointing out the discrepancy that has occurred through domain registration which anyone can do which is unfortunately part of the domain registration system we have. Anyone can claim they are a business and put in an ABN and claim to be registering the domain as a verified representative of said ABN. There is no verification process outside of ABN active checks and potentially name checks here unless things have changed since I helped get an AuDA registrar up and running in a previous role. If customer says they are X, ABN register checks out, domain registered. Pointing out the discrepancy is still valuable information for anyone trying to analyze what has gone on here though. -DD From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Noel Butler Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 11:22 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making without looking into it, perhaps thats who the rego was provided by why play the unreliable whois guessing game when you can use a proven source because that source clearly shows them being a registered entity which is what some people here are suggesting they are not, or at least, thats the perception. 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URL: From chris at thesysadmin.dev Tue Dec 6 23:32:52 2022 From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 12:32:52 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: <6a161becc0849f60c08b793d83a5f861@ausics.net> References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> <6a161becc0849f60c08b793d83a5f861@ausics.net> Message-ID: Huh? I believe Chad was referring to the corporate entity registrant for zoombroadband.com.au, not what's listed in their documents on their website. CH Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Noel Butler Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022, 11:05 pm To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making On 06/12/2022 14:57, Chad Kelly wrote: Hi If you look up the ABN for www.zoombroadband.com.au its not even registered as a business name or company and the ABN is for a bunch of Solar companies. huh? This is my lookup return from the ABN in their core terms doc Name: ZOOM BROADBAND PTY LTD ACN: 663 007 949 ABN: 99 663 007 949 Registration date: 10/10/2022 Next review date: 10/10/2023 Status: Registered Type: Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares Locality of registered office: FORTITUDE VALLEY QLD 4006 Regulator: Australian Securities & Investments Commission -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jenn at jenn.id.au Tue Dec 6 23:39:25 2022 From: jenn at jenn.id.au (Jennifer Sims) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 23:39:25 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: <6a161becc0849f60c08b793d83a5f861@ausics.net> References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> <6a161becc0849f60c08b793d83a5f861@ausics.net> Message-ID: Assume they're referring to the domain registration itself Domain Name: ZOOMBROADBAND.COM.AU Registry Domain ID: D407400000109927242-AU Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.auda.org.au Registrar URL: https://synergywholesale.com/partner-lookup Last Modified: 2022-11-13T01:03:15Z Registrar Name: SYNERGY WHOLESALE ACCREDITATIONS PTY LTD Registrar Abuse Contact Email: registry-abuse at nexigen.digital Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +61.383999483 Reseller Name: Status: serverRenewProhibited https://afilias.com.au/get-au/whois-status-codes#serverRenewProhibited Status Reason: Not Currently Eligible For Renewal Registrant Contact ID: 1637891925960708 Registrant Contact Name: Domain Administrator Registrant Contact Email: admin at zoombroadband.com.au Tech Contact ID: 1637891925960708 Tech Contact Name: Domain Administrator Tech Contact Email: admin at zoombroadband.com.au Name Server: CODY.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM Name Server: SHUBHI.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM DNSSEC: unsigned Registrant: CIMA GROUP PTY LTD Registrant ID: ABN 72636966302 Eligibility Type: Company https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?id=72636966302 Business name(s)help Business nameFrom SYNERGY SOLAR & ELECTRICAL [image: External site] 25 Sep 2021 SOLARTEK NSW [image: External site] 04 Aug 2021 SOLARTEK QLD [image: External site] 04 Aug 2021 On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 11:05 PM Noel Butler wrote: > > On 06/12/2022 14:57, Chad Kelly wrote: > > Hi If you look up the ABN for www.zoombroadband.com.au its not even > registered as a business name or company and the ABN is for a bunch of > Solar companies. > > > > > > > > huh? This is my lookup return from the ABN in their core terms doc > > > Name: ZOOM BROADBAND PTY LTD > ACN: 663 007 949 > ABN: 99 663 007 949 > Registration date: 10/10/2022 > Next review date: 10/10/2023 > Status: Registered > Type: Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares > Locality of registered office: FORTITUDE VALLEY QLD 4006 > Regulator: Australian Securities & Investments Commission > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at thesysadmin.dev Tue Dec 6 23:43:10 2022 From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 12:43:10 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: Looking at the ABR entry for Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd, the business name "Zoom Broadband" was registered on 04 November 2022, a little over a month ago. https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?id=663007949 I'm all for roasting a business if there's reason to do so (which is clearly the case here) and not to play the role of devil's advocate, however if we rely on information when doing so we need to fact-check against reliable sources otherwise we'll look like the silly ones with egg on our faces, and they'll be laughing at us. You don't want to go down that road. Furthermore, if Zoom.us (the video conferencing organisation) does indeed have a trademark on the word "Zoom" they'll already know about Zoom Broadband. CH Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: Chad Kelly Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022, 11:10 am To: Christopher Hawker ; Nathan Brookfield ; J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates written by a law firm in Sydney. But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the contact details and the names to reflect their own operation. That said they haven?t even registered the business name or the company name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn?t be allowed to either as it?s a breach of Zoom?s trademark as they operate in the same sector. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [cid:image001.jpg at 01D90962.EFEF4260] From: Christopher Hawker Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM To: Nathan Brookfield ; J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Chad Kelly Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract from other bad things though. https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj CH. ________________________________ From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: Christopher Hawker >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ? Should have included the link ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 PDF Document ? 246 KB -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ?It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 bucket. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker > wrote: ? Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder. CH. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Nathan Brookfield >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 97720 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From da2355281 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 23:44:52 2022 From: da2355281 at gmail.com (Daniel A) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 23:14:52 +1030 Subject: [AusNOG] AUSNOG Mailing List Dissapointment Message-ID: Time to vent.... - I've been on the mailing list for years. Read thousands of emails, replied to less than a handful, never started a new thread. I go to the events. It's a great community. But this list is getting on my nerves and I want to vent. This mailing list is meant to be for people who run networks or manage networks to talk to other people who run or manage networks. Its meant for discussion about topics relevant to what we do technically and professionally as network operators. Its meant to provide a forum to discuss a complex technical issue and coordinate cooperation between parties. Its meant for introducing an idea that others might not have thought about. Over the years I've seen many interesting and useful discussions around BGP leaks, CloudFlare taking down the internet, AAPT/TPG Radius issues causing widespread problems, and those occasional Facebook/Google problems which remind us that we all have problems from time to time. I've seen genuine discussion resulting in problems being solved between network operators and people being able to contact those in the know who can help. There have also been some genuinely interesting posts about things we as an industry should learn about, haven't considered before, and so much more. Amazing. This is what we need to do for each other as a community of like minded people in the industry. However, there is a lot of junk. I don't come here for - - Questions about Microsoft 365. This is an MSP problem. Speak to your service provider, your licensing partner, or log a support ticket with Microsoft. - Anything, whatsoever, coming from someone who doesnt run a network. Being a small web hosting provider with a couple of servers in a rack at GSU and some borrowed IP space doesn't count. Essentially, if you don't own an AS and IP space, you're an end user, not a network operator. Watch, read, learn... but your queries/concerns/problems are between you and your provider. - Job advertisements. Seek.com.au is where you should post your ads. It's also where you should look for a job (or LinkedIn). - Bitching about other people's businesses. Don't like them, take it up with them, or better yet focus on your own. As I said, this mailing list is meant to be about network operators, talking to other network operators, about technical issues and interesting tech relevant to what we do. It's not a job forum. Its not place for non-network operators to look for support, its not for bitching, its not for indepth debate about sexual harrasment law. Tech talk for techs in the business of operating networks. That's what this is. For the quiet list members, like myself, can we not just stay on topic? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chad at cpkws.com.au Wed Dec 7 00:12:03 2022 From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 13:12:03 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making In-Reply-To: References: <3C45F3CC-74D2-481A-8C79-1DC4837D0F4C@dataix.net> <226DB01E-3E66-4D83-827E-CEA2227CE8EE@dataix.net> Message-ID: Hi Basically this Zoom Broadband business has a lot of moving parts from what I can tell, business registration details are a bit of a mess. They just need to tidy up the domain registration details I think. As for this Jake fellow not totally sure what his involvement actually is, but it looks like a very young and rather green business. I mean green as in unexperienced in this case. I could spend all day on this but I?ve got a business of my own to run. As for Vocus nothing wrong with them overall, if their was Commonwealth Bank wouldn?t be dealing with them. You need to separate the sales team and the accounts team as I said in the Ozbargain thread they don?t care about you or your business your just a number to these huge corporations. That doesn?t mean they don?t want your business or to assist you , it just means that shareholders come first. You need to take that into consideration and come up with payment plans if things are tight. Making up stories like some of the employees of Zoom Broadband have done just makes them look stupid I don?t believe any of the BS. I wish the Zoom Broadband guys and girls luck but I don?t like their chances of succeeding with the way things are going. That burn rate is just too high according to what they have written they will make a loss of $1.5 million dollars. You need to be the size of Commbank to sustain those types of loss. I will watch with interest particularly with some of the people involved in the business. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [cid:image001.jpg at 01D909CD.A4FC15B0] From: Christopher Hawker Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 11:43 PM To: Chad Kelly ; Nathan Brookfield ; J. Hellenthal Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Looking at the ABR entry for Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd, the business name "Zoom Broadband" was registered on 04 November 2022, a little over a month ago. https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?id=663007949 I'm all for roasting a business if there's reason to do so (which is clearly the case here) and not to play the role of devil's advocate, however if we rely on information when doing so we need to fact-check against reliable sources otherwise we'll look like the silly ones with egg on our faces, and they'll be laughing at us. You don't want to go down that road. Furthermore, if Zoom.us (the video conferencing organisation) does indeed have a trademark on the word "Zoom" they'll already know about Zoom Broadband. CH Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: Chad Kelly > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022, 11:10 am To: Christopher Hawker >; Nathan Brookfield >; J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates written by a law firm in Sydney. But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the contact details and the names to reflect their own operation. That said they haven?t even registered the business name or the company name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn?t be allowed to either as it?s a breach of Zoom?s trademark as they operate in the same sector. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au [cid:image001.jpg at 01D909CD.A4FC15B0] From: Christopher Hawker > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM To: Nathan Brookfield >; J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract from other bad things though. https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj CH. ________________________________ From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: Christopher Hawker >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ? Should have included the link ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 PDF Document ? 246 KB -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ?It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 bucket. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker > wrote: ? Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder. CH. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM To: J. Hellenthal > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal > wrote: ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... Phone: 1300 727 414 Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. They are going to get burnt. I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Bradley Amm > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: Nathan Brookfield >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. What does that mean? In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS ? Secrets to access the Radius server ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence Sent from my iPad On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Yeah I get that. Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making It?s all about volume. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. Regards Chad. Chad Kelly Manager CPK Web Services Phone 03 52730246 Web https://www.cpkws.com.au From: Nathan Brookfield > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM To: Chad Kelly > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. NBN iperium.com.au Nathan Brookfield DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: ? Hi All . Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsing www.zoombroadband.com.au . Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment Look at page 5. Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. As in the codes of conduct. Regards Chad. 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Thanks David ... > On 6 Dec 2022, at 11:12 pm, Chad Kelly wrote: > > Hi Basically this Zoom Broadband business has a lot of moving parts from what I can tell, business registration details are a bit of a mess. > They just need to tidy up the domain registration details I think. > As for this Jake fellow not totally sure what his involvement actually is, but it looks like a very young and rather green business. > I mean green as in unexperienced in this case. > I could spend all day on this but I?ve got a business of my own to run. > As for Vocus nothing wrong with them overall, if their was Commonwealth Bank wouldn?t be dealing with them. You need to separate the sales team and the accounts team as I said in the Ozbargain thread they don?t care about you or your business your just a number to these huge corporations. > That doesn?t mean they don?t want your business or to assist you , it just means that shareholders come first. > You need to take that into consideration and come up with payment plans if things are tight. > Making up stories like some of the employees of Zoom Broadband have done just makes them look stupid I don?t believe any of the BS. > I wish the Zoom Broadband guys and girls luck but I don?t like their chances of succeeding with the way things are going. > That burn rate is just too high according to what they have written they will make a loss of $1.5 million dollars. You need to be the size of Commbank to sustain those types of loss. > > I will watch with interest particularly with some of the people involved in the business. > > > Chad Kelly > Manager > CPK Web Services > Phone 03 52730246 > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > From: Christopher Hawker > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 11:43 PM > To: Chad Kelly >; Nathan Brookfield >; J. Hellenthal > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > Looking at the ABR entry for Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd, the business name "Zoom Broadband" was registered on 04 November 2022, a little over a month ago. > > https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?id=663007949 > > I'm all for roasting a business if there's reason to do so (which is clearly the case here) and not to play the role of devil's advocate, however if we rely on information when doing so we need to fact-check against reliable sources otherwise we'll look like the silly ones with egg on our faces, and they'll be laughing at us. > > You don't want to go down that road. > > Furthermore, if Zoom.us (the video conferencing organisation) does indeed have a trademark on the word "Zoom" they'll already know about Zoom Broadband. > > CH > > Get Outlook for Android > > From: Chad Kelly > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022, 11:10 am > To: Christopher Hawker >; Nathan Brookfield >; J. Hellenthal > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > > Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > Hi As I understand it the documents in question are legal templates written by a law firm in Sydney. > But its pretty slack on their part at Zoom Broadband not to update the contact details and the names to reflect their own operation. > That said they haven?t even registered the business name or the company name Zoom broadband, probably wouldn?t be allowed to either as it?s a breach of Zoom?s trademark as they operate in the same sector. > Regards Chad. > > > Chad Kelly > Manager > CPK Web Services > Phone 03 52730246 > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > From: Christopher Hawker > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2022 10:55 AM > To: Nathan Brookfield >; J. Hellenthal > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net ; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > Not to play devil's advocate here, I think we may have got the whole "stole the document" thing wrong. If you look at the CTC doc on page 34, it lists the address of NBNco and Telstra, with Optus' name at the bottom of 34 and the Lyonpark Road address starting on page 35. Not to detract from other bad things though. > > https://imgur.com/a/kApaZxj > > CH. > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:46 AM > To: J. Hellenthal > > Cc: Christopher Hawker >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > We know who they stole the document from then, Oh dear! > > On 6 Dec 2022, at 00:58, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > ? Should have included the link > > > ZBB-PP-CTC-V1 > PDF Document ? 246 KB > > > -- > J. Hellenthal > > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 08:55, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > ?It's in their term conditions policy on the website served from a S3 bucket. > > -- > J. Hellenthal > > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:59, Christopher Hawker > wrote: > > ? > Where was that listed? ASIC extract info shows the only two addresses as Fortitude Valley QLD and Armidale NSW, with Nathan Rich being the sole director and shareholder. > > CH. > > Get Outlook for Android > From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 11:52:18 PM > To: J. Hellenthal > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net >; Chad Kelly > > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > It?s been 15 years since I worked there, but I?m pretty sure 1 Lyonpark Road is the Optus Campus?. > > On 5 Dec 2022, at 22:48, J. Hellenthal > wrote: > > ? Maybe someone should pay a little trip to ... > > Phone: 1300 727 414 > Mail: 1 Lyonpark Rd, Macquarie Park NSW 2113 > Zoom Broadband Pty Ltd ABN 99 663 007 949 > Level 1, 1024 Ann Street Fortitude Valley QLD 4006 www.zoombroadband.com.au > > -- > J. Hellenthal > > > The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > > On Dec 5, 2022, at 06:18, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > ? > Thanks for re-posting this, I was only being polite to these guys on Ozbargain so I didn?t get in trouble with the mods for breaching some kind of guideline but the entire things now looks like a scam. > I am surprised the wholesale provider didn?t do more background checks on the provider before on boarding them. > They are going to get burnt. > I also alerted member services at the TIO about this operation as well. > I also think the development team at Wordpress need their heads read for allowing this type of garbage code to be released into the wild. > I mean I actually quite like Wordpress but some of the plugins are complete junk. > > Regards Chad. > Chad Kelly > Manager > CPK Web Services > Phone 03 52730246 > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > From: Bradley Amm > > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 10:45 PM > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: Nathan Brookfield >; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > > > https://whrl.pl/RgxGRl > > > There is something extremely concerning about Zoom Broadband. > > If you are already a customer, run away. It's also probably advisable to cancel the card you signed up with, ASAP. > > The great thing about these no-code development frameworks (like they use) is that a lot of the data is stored in your browser. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any requests are actually being done by the server ? it's all client side. > > What does that mean? > > In the Javascript that runs the website (available to *anyone* that visits the website), you can see: > ? The Stripe Live Secret Key (this is called SECRET for a reason ? anyone with access to that key can create a charge/refund to your card, and see ALL transactions) > ? The Username and Password for AWS Cognito (where SECRETS are stored) > ? FSG API endpoints and secrets allowing all service information to be viewed, and services to be modified > ? What is (possibly) Mr Berry's mobile number as a test case for sending SMS > ? Secrets to access the Radius server > ? Quite likely full access to any personal information you've given to them > > And what is most interesting, for a company that claims to have nothing to do with Jake Berry, is a test account ? jberry at hypernet.com.au ? what a strange coincidence > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 4:22 pm, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > ? > Yeah I get that. > Bit concerned they?ve only invested $300000 which is nothing for an ISP. You need $10000000 at least just to get something half decent in terms of network. > You need a few more million for marketing on top of that. > This is why it works for the likes of Australia post as they already have a captive audience to sell to and they?ve gone layer 3 so not much investment required layer 2 you need millions to do it properly. > > This is why I went for the business side of the market partly because we were already a business to business provider but the margins on business broadband are so much better than residential. > > Regards Chad. > Chad Kelly > Manager > CPK Web Services > Phone 03 52730246 > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2022 6:53 PM > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > It?s all about volume. > > Nathan Brookfield > General Manager > > p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > Your Connectivity Team > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 3 Dec 2022, at 13:02, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > ? > Hi > Just to clarify it wasn?t so much the plans pricing that was concerning me, but more the lack of margin. > $3 per customer isn?t a lot for things like support and monitoring etc, as I understand it the lower NBN plans you should be making around $7 to $10 per customer and the higher ones $20 plus. > End of the day its up to each provider to make their own decisions on margins etc I think it will be interesting to see how they go anyway. > Regards Chad. > > Chad Kelly > Manager > CPK Web Services > Phone 03 52730246 > Web https://www.cpkws.com.au > > > From: Nathan Brookfield > > Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 11:49 PM > To: Chad Kelly > > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Zoom Broadband another Epic broadband in the making > > Their retail prices are almost identical to ours, I think they?re pretty reasonable especially if they?re an RSP. > > > NBN > iperium.com.au > > > Nathan Brookfield > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. > > WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > On 2 Dec 2022, at 23:15, Chad Kelly > wrote: > > ? > Hi All . > Came across this new provider on Whingepool (whirlpool) while doing some casual browsingwww.zoombroadband.com.au . > Pricing looks very much unsustainable and the business model horrifies me. > Plus this post on Ozbargain https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739835?page=4#comment > Look at page 5. > Now I know the margins on NBN aren?t fantastic but $3 I wouldn?t even waste time with. > I mean I don?t want to discourage new players from entering the market and giving it a crack but I think you at least need to be able to walk before you can run. > Also you need to comply with the TIO requirements and the Comms alliance for ISPs. 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When I read that comment, from an anonymous account, I wasn't sure if you were trolling or just being totally oblivious to the irony there. I suspect that if you want to be taken seriously, before you start claiming that this is only for network professionals who run networks, maybe you should act like one yourself and not hide behind an anonymous account. --Rob From oliver.eyre at superloop.com Wed Dec 7 09:17:20 2022 From: oliver.eyre at superloop.com (Oliver Eyre) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 22:17:20 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] AUSNOG Mailing List Dissapointment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Also a long-time reader, infrequent poster. This got me thinking... Can anybody actually "own" number resources under the RIR framework? Oliver ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Daniel A Sent: 06 December 2022 23:44 To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] AUSNOG Mailing List Dissapointment [External Email Alert] This email was sent from outside the organisation ? be cautious, particularly with links and attachments. Time to vent.... - I've been on the mailing list for years. Read thousands of emails, replied to less than a handful, never started a new thread. I go to the events. It's a great community. But this list is getting on my nerves and I want to vent. This mailing list is meant to be for people who run networks or manage networks to talk to other people who run or manage networks. Its meant for discussion about topics relevant to what we do technically and professionally as network operators. Its meant to provide a forum to discuss a complex technical issue and coordinate cooperation between parties. Its meant for introducing an idea that others might not have thought about. Over the years I've seen many interesting and useful discussions around BGP leaks, CloudFlare taking down the internet, AAPT/TPG Radius issues causing widespread problems, and those occasional Facebook/Google problems which remind us that we all have problems from time to time. I've seen genuine discussion resulting in problems being solved between network operators and people being able to contact those in the know who can help. There have also been some genuinely interesting posts about things we as an industry should learn about, haven't considered before, and so much more. Amazing. This is what we need to do for each other as a community of like minded people in the industry. However, there is a lot of junk. I don't come here for - - Questions about Microsoft 365. This is an MSP problem. Speak to your service provider, your licensing partner, or log a support ticket with Microsoft. - Anything, whatsoever, coming from someone who doesnt run a network. Being a small web hosting provider with a couple of servers in a rack at GSU and some borrowed IP space doesn't count. Essentially, if you don't own an AS and IP space, you're an end user, not a network operator. Watch, read, learn... but your queries/concerns/problems are between you and your provider. - Job advertisements. Seek.com.au is where you should post your ads. It's also where you should look for a job (or LinkedIn). - Bitching about other people's businesses. Don't like them, take it up with them, or better yet focus on your own. As I said, this mailing list is meant to be about network operators, talking to other network operators, about technical issues and interesting tech relevant to what we do. It's not a job forum. Its not place for non-network operators to look for support, its not for bitching, its not for indepth debate about sexual harrasment law. Tech talk for techs in the business of operating networks. That's what this is. For the quiet list members, like myself, can we not just stay on topic? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From belyndapagram at hotmail.com Wed Dec 7 10:52:02 2022 From: belyndapagram at hotmail.com (Belynda Kaitlyn Pagram) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 23:52:02 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] AUSNOG Mailing List Dissapointment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Daniel, First of all, I understand the frustration when something you are interested in turn out to be not exactly what you expect or it evolves beyond your interests. That is a valid feeling. Secondly, I want to point out that the things that you think are not appropriate for this list can be rather gatekeeper-y in nature which I don't believe is your intention. There are many, many people who are not network operators, but who WANT to be some day, who watch and read and sometimes contribute too. They are just as welcome to ask questions and become involved as you or I are. If there is a topic or a question that you don't want to read or answer, then don't, no one is forcing you to. Again, I don't believe your intention was to come off this way, so I welcome discussion on this off list if you would like. The networking community as a whole is generally really accepting and I know many who enjoy teaching as much as they enjoy fixing problems and it is something I really love to see. It wasn't too long ago that I was one of the people on the outside looking in and it is the people in the community that I have worked with that welcomed my curiosity and tenacity with open arms. I am always excited for others to experience that too. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Daniel A Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 11:44:52 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] AUSNOG Mailing List Dissapointment Time to vent.... - I've been on the mailing list for years. Read thousands of emails, replied to less than a handful, never started a new thread. I go to the events. It's a great community. But this list is getting on my nerves and I want to vent. This mailing list is meant to be for people who run networks or manage networks to talk to other people who run or manage networks. Its meant for discussion about topics relevant to what we do technically and professionally as network operators. Its meant to provide a forum to discuss a complex technical issue and coordinate cooperation between parties. Its meant for introducing an idea that others might not have thought about. Over the years I've seen many interesting and useful discussions around BGP leaks, CloudFlare taking down the internet, AAPT/TPG Radius issues causing widespread problems, and those occasional Facebook/Google problems which remind us that we all have problems from time to time. I've seen genuine discussion resulting in problems being solved between network operators and people being able to contact those in the know who can help. There have also been some genuinely interesting posts about things we as an industry should learn about, haven't considered before, and so much more. Amazing. This is what we need to do for each other as a community of like minded people in the industry. However, there is a lot of junk. I don't come here for - - Questions about Microsoft 365. This is an MSP problem. Speak to your service provider, your licensing partner, or log a support ticket with Microsoft. - Anything, whatsoever, coming from someone who doesnt run a network. Being a small web hosting provider with a couple of servers in a rack at GSU and some borrowed IP space doesn't count. Essentially, if you don't own an AS and IP space, you're an end user, not a network operator. Watch, read, learn... but your queries/concerns/problems are between you and your provider. - Job advertisements. Seek.com.au is where you should post your ads. It's also where you should look for a job (or LinkedIn). - Bitching about other people's businesses. Don't like them, take it up with them, or better yet focus on your own. As I said, this mailing list is meant to be about network operators, talking to other network operators, about technical issues and interesting tech relevant to what we do. It's not a job forum. Its not place for non-network operators to look for support, its not for bitching, its not for indepth debate about sexual harrasment law. Tech talk for techs in the business of operating networks. That's what this is. For the quiet list members, like myself, can we not just stay on topic? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks David ... > On 6 Dec 2022, at 10:44 pm, Daniel A wrote: > > Time to vent.... - > > I've been on the mailing list for years. Read thousands of emails, replied to less than a handful, never started a new thread. I go to the events. It's a great community. But this list is getting on my nerves and I want to vent. > > This mailing list is meant to be for people who run networks or manage networks to talk to other people who run or manage networks. Its meant for discussion about topics relevant to what we do technically and professionally as network operators. Its meant to provide a forum to discuss a complex technical issue and coordinate cooperation between parties. Its meant for introducing an idea that others might not have thought about. > > Over the years I've seen many interesting and useful discussions around BGP leaks, CloudFlare taking down the internet, AAPT/TPG Radius issues causing widespread problems, and those occasional Facebook/Google problems which remind us that we all have problems from time to time. I've seen genuine discussion resulting in problems being solved between network operators and people being able to contact those in the know who can help. There have also been some genuinely interesting posts about things we as an industry should learn about, haven't considered before, and so much more. Amazing. This is what we need to do for each other as a community of like minded people in the industry. > > However, there is a lot of junk. > > I don't come here for - > > - Questions about Microsoft 365. This is an MSP problem. Speak to your service provider, your licensing partner, or log a support ticket with Microsoft. > - Anything, whatsoever, coming from someone who doesnt run a network. Being a small web hosting provider with a couple of servers in a rack at GSU and some borrowed IP space doesn't count. Essentially, if you don't own an AS and IP space, you're an end user, not a network operator. Watch, read, learn... but your queries/concerns/problems are between you and your provider. > - Job advertisements. Seek.com.au is where you should post your ads. It's also where you should look for a job (or LinkedIn). > - Bitching about other people's businesses. Don't like them, take it up with them, or better yet focus on your own. > > As I said, this mailing list is meant to be about network operators, talking to other network operators, about technical issues and interesting tech relevant to what we do. It's not a job forum. Its not place for non-network operators to look for support, its not for bitching, its not for indepth debate about sexual harrasment law. > > Tech talk for techs in the business of operating networks. That's what this is. > > For the quiet list members, like myself, can we not just stay on topic? > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bevan at slattery.net.au Wed Dec 7 11:39:57 2022 From: bevan at slattery.net.au (Bevan Slattery) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 10:39:57 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2023 on The Gold Coast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3dfcba96-ce4f-4482-80a5-e4a109f9cb6d@Spark> Hooray!??Can?t wait. On 7 Dec 2022 at 5:25 AM +1000, david at hughes.id, wrote: > > HI Terry > > Yes, Gold Coast in 2023 is looking amazing. ?We're planning the largest AusNOG event to date and the Social is going to be epic! ?I hope everyone puts this in their calendar (and boss' calendar :) for next September. > > As for APNIC running a workshop or something, I'm not sure why you posted that question here on the list. ?You already emailed me privately regarding AusNOG 2023, and that is a much more appropriate place for us to discuss options. ?Let's continue this conversation in that thread, off-list. > > > > Thanks > > David > ... > > > On 6 Dec 2022, at 5:29 pm, Terry Sweetser wrote: > > > > Hi David et al, > > > > Finally an AusNOG in Queensland! > > > > I wanted to chat about staging some technical content from APNIC around the conference.? 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NBN services were also impacted as I had an ABB service down from around 11:25 to 14:35 but has been fine since. Telstra outage website says they?re now using a generator at Wanneroo Exchange. https://outages.telstra.com.au/#/mobile?address=WANNEROO,%206065%20WA Western Power still don?t have an ETA on service restoration but have been onsite for a few hours now. https://www.westernpower.com.au/faults-outages/power-outages/?outage=INCD-794001-U&type=&term= Cheers, Alex.L. From: AusNOG on behalf of Bradley Amm Date: Wednesday, 7 December 2022 at 16:07 To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] Was There and Outage Today in Northern Perth Was there a Telstra outage today North of River in Perth. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind Regards Benjamin Russo General Manager [Host Tel logo] More Business, More Profit, Less Effort Ben.Russo at hosttel.com.au Perth: 08 9221 9999 Fax: 08 9221 3444 Melbourne: 03 8677 7777 Brisbane: 07 3337 9999 Adelaide: 08 8311 1111 Sydney: 02 9223 9999 International: TEL: +61 8 9221 9999 FAX: +61 7 3337 9977 JFYM pty ltd a/t/f The KESURO Limited Unit Trust t/as Host Tel A.C.N. 124 071 209 ________________________________________________________________________________ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents of this message (or any attachments) please telephone to confirm. This electronic transmission is intended only for those to whom it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. 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Kind Regards Benjamin Russo General Manager More Business, More Profit, Less Effort Ben.Russo at hosttel.com.au Perth: 08 9221 9999 Fax: 08 9221 3444 Melbourne: 03 8677 7777 Brisbane: 07 3337 9999 Adelaide: 08 8311 1111 Sydney: 02 9223 9999 International: TEL: +61 8 9221 9999 FAX: +61 7 3337 9977 JFYM pty ltd a/t/f The KESURO Limited Unit Trust t/as Host Tel A.C.N. 124 071 209 ________________________________________________________________________________ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents of this message (or any attachments) please telephone to confirm. This electronic transmission is intended only for those to whom it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential, privileged or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. 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NBN services should all be back online from approx 3pm Regards, Mark Stewart M: 0438005415 E: mark at nabc.com.au W: www.nabc.com.au [cid:logo_134bce06-4035-4c5e-9960-5d389b43b8b5.png] [cid:nabc_9bc8b7c1-99a1-415f-8f90-68e51c42614a.png] P Please consider the environment before you print this e-mail As communication via the internet is insecure in the form of e-mail, you are advised that material which may offend or infringe individual rights may be transmitted without the knowledge or consent of Nuts and Bolts Computing or any of its related entities or subsidiaries. Whilst Nuts and Bolts Computing has taken reasonable steps to ensure the integrity of such communications, it accepts no liability for material transmitted via this medium. This e-mail may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity it is addressed to. 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Inferred improvements during Nov 2022: none inferred Source Address Validation issues inferred during Nov 2022: ASN Name First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed 38195 SUPERLOOP 2018-02-02 2022-11-30 Further information for these tests where we received spoofed packets is available at: https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus&no_block=1 Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-info at caida.org From xrobau at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:19:27 2022 From: xrobau at gmail.com (Rob Thomas) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 10:19:27 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Slightly OT: Need 20 x 4G devices urgently 8-\ Message-ID: Because I'm a blithering idiot, I foolishly assumed that a Telstra MVNO's SIM would work in a Telstra 4GX USB thing. It does not, and needs unlocking. Problem 1: They're Huawei E8327h-320 and apparently need a 'v5' 16 character unlock code, which is only available directly from Huawei. Telstra said they can unlock them in a week or so, for $80 (which is more than I paid for them) Problem 2: This is for a bunch of local customers of mine who are going to be offline for most of a day due to the local ISP doing a fibre upgrade. Problem 3: The outage is on Thursday of next week. I am throwing myself at the mercy of those here, who may be able to offer ANY SOLUTION AT ALL (apart from manually activating the 20 prepaid sims that CAME with them, which can't be batched). I do have a handful of blank NORMAL Telstra SIMs here - I don't think I have 20, but I probably could scrounge close to that number up - if someone who has access to the Telstra Systems wants to put me over a barrel and get some commission for 20 odd new mobile signups. All the sites that are getting these backup connections are on 'Tiks, so it doesn't NEED to be USB, just in case someone has a pile of old ethernet-only devices they are wondering what to do with. Also perfectly happy to rent/lease/whatever if you have them in stock and can get them to 4680 , AND trust "Honest" Rob to return them or replace them 8) --Rob 0402-077-155 - Feel free to call and HAW-HAW at me if you want. From chris at thesysadmin.dev Mon Dec 12 10:57:26 2022 From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 23:57:26 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Cloudflare DNS Records Message-ID: Hello all, If there are any Cloudflare people here, could you please reach out to me off-list? Issue: We've discovered that there are DNS records pointing to IPs on a delegation assigned by APNIC which are being announced by our ASN, and we are having issues with getting these records removed as the domains aren't ours and there's no contact info on the domain's Whois info, nor are the records authorised. Normal Cloudflare support channels are proving to be a challenge. Thanks, CH. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trying to find the right people to speak to there is a bit of a challenge. --Rob On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 09:57, Christopher Hawker wrote: > > Hello all, > > If there are any Cloudflare people here, could you please reach out to me off-list? > > Issue: We've discovered that there are DNS records pointing to IPs on a delegation assigned by APNIC which are being announced by our ASN, and we are having issues with getting these records removed as the domains aren't ours and there's no contact info on the domain's Whois info, nor are the records authorised. Normal Cloudflare support channels are proving to be a challenge. > > Thanks, > CH. > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From graham at maltby.id.au Tue Dec 20 09:29:14 2022 From: graham at maltby.id.au (Graham Maltby) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 08:29:14 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Phishing attempt using an Australian bank account Message-ID: Hi all, I have a client who is the victim/target of a phishing attempt - simple social engineering with a request to update banking details and pay outstanding invoices. The provided details are for an Australian Bank (BSB and account number). Who is the correct authority to direct this to? Do banks generally respond to this sort of thing where (they are not implicated nor do I have any authority over the target account)? I have already reported it to the registrar that registered the bogus domain. Any other advice? 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The provided details are for an Australian Bank (BSB > and account number). > > Who is the correct authority to direct this to? > Do banks generally respond to this sort of thing where (they are not > implicated nor do I have any authority over the target account)? > > I have already reported it to the registrar that registered the bogus > domain. > > Any other advice? > > Cheers, > Graham > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guy at traverse.com.au Tue Dec 20 11:15:12 2022 From: guy at traverse.com.au (Guy Ellis) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:15:12 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] Phishing attempt using an Australian bank account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05b31800-5238-fca7-e03c-f56c653ecbd9@traverse.com.au> IMHO Move very quickly and start with your Client's bank not the destination. There are many Australian BSB numbers owned by used by Clearing Houses such as Cuscal (NSW) that effectively work as a front for International Scammers. Funds hitting these accounts are forwarded almost immediately to the scammers and not recoverable. Cuscal have a range of BSBs from 802-xxx to 809-xxx. I'm sure Cuscal is not the only one doing this. Regards, ?- Guy On 20/12/2022 10:59 am, Giles Pollock wrote: > First port of call would probably be the bank in question... Look up > the BSB using something like https://bsb.auspaynet.com.au/ then either > call that specific branch or the fraud prevention team at that > specific bank. They should be able to take it from there... > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 9:29 AM Graham Maltby wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a client who is the victim/target of a phishing attempt - > simple social engineering with a request to update banking details > and pay outstanding invoices. The provided details are for an > Australian Bank (BSB and account number). > > Who is the correct authority to direct this to? > Do banks generally respond to this sort of thing where (they are > not implicated nor do I have any authority over the target account)? > > I have already reported it to the registrar that registered the > bogus domain. > > Any other advice? > > Cheers, > Graham > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- Guy Ellis Mobile +61 419 398 234 AU 03 9489 6678 NZ 09 884 9756 www.traverse.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. 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Matt On 28/12/2022 5:32 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: > Michael, > > That?s the symptom and I?ve also heard from two other parties who are > seeing the same issue so it?s not isolated. > > Thankfully for us, it?s a third-party customers, Netwerk, and not our > direct customers but thought it was worth racing here so everybody is > aware it?s not just them. > > *Nathan Brookfield * > General Manager > > *p*:?1300 592 330? | *m*: 0412 266 008 | *w*: https://Iperium.com.au > > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > *Your Connectivity Team* > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. > This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments > thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be > privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable > intellectual property laws. 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On 28 Dec 2022, at 16:38, Matt Perkins wrote: ? Confirmed same here. Just tossed a test account off and it did not come back. Matt On 28/12/2022 5:32 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: Michael, That?s the symptom and I?ve also heard from two other parties who are seeing the same issue so it?s not isolated. Thankfully for us, it?s a third-party customers, Netwerk, and not our direct customers but thought it was worth racing here so everybody is aware it?s not just them. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. 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Quoting Nathan Brookfield : Merry Christmas everybody and I hope y?all have a safe and relaxing new year. So who else is affected by this AaPT outage in Sydney, affecting NWB and frontier is also down and getting anybody on the phone is almost impossible. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. 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From: AusNOG on behalf of Matt Perkins Date: Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 5:38 pm To: "ausnog at ausnog.net" Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAPT Outage ? Confirmed same here. Just tossed a test account off and it did not come back. Matt ? On 28/12/2022 5:32 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: Michael, ? That?s the symptom and I?ve also heard from two other parties who are seeing the same issue so it?s not isolated. ? Thankfully for us, it?s a third-party customers, Netwerk, and not our direct customers but thought it was worth racing here so everybody is aware it?s not just them. Nathan Brookfield? General Manager p:?1300 592 330? |??m: 0412 266 008 |?w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7,?82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team ? DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. 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On 28 Dec 2022, at 16:27, Michael Bethune wrote: Nathan, What effects are you seeing on NWB? We're seeing no new PPP sessions since 1:37pm in all states on NWB. - Michael. Quoting Nathan Brookfield : Merry Christmas everybody and I hope y?all have a safe and relaxing new year. ? So who else is affected by this AaPT outage in Sydney, affecting NWB ?and frontier is also down and getting anybody on the phone is almost ?impossible. ? Nathan Brookfield General Manager ? p: 1300 592 330 ?| ?m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au ? Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 ? Your Connectivity Team ? ? ? DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named ?addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files ?or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential ?information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under ?copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. 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URL: From matt at spectrum.com.au Wed Dec 28 17:45:34 2022 From: matt at spectrum.com.au (Matt Perkins) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 17:45:34 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] AAPT Outage In-Reply-To: <0101018557769c99-5d69d3ac-1060-4a25-bd26-e8282dbe3122-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> References: <2BB3D2FB-CC13-49A6-ABA5-26D40D85FB94@iperium.com.au> <20221228172714.tgax5w6g0g4s8w8g@horde-2.ozonline.com.au> <452A6E8A-41FA-4F79-BE8A-937C656A7A27@iperium.com.au> <0101018557769c99-5d69d3ac-1060-4a25-bd26-e8282dbe3122-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <6c9365e7-6306-4a8a-c9aa-a49ab81b6f54@spectrum.com.au> Our last access-accept was at 13.29 Matt On 28/12/2022 5:41 pm, Nick Brown wrote: > > Our last auth request came through at 1.23PM Sydney time, but given > sync/no auth faults that have come in today, I believe this problem > started earlier in the day. > > *From: *AusNOG on behalf of Matt Perkins > > *Date: *Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 5:38 pm > *To: *"ausnog at ausnog.net" > *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] AAPT Outage > > Confirmed same here. Just tossed a test account off and it did not > come back. > > Matt > > On 28/12/2022 5:32 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: > > Michael, > > That?s the symptom and I?ve also heard from two other parties who > are seeing the same issue so it?s not isolated. > > Thankfully for us, it?s a third-party customers, Netwerk, and not > our direct customers but thought it was worth racing here so > everybody is aware it?s not just them. > > *Nathan Brookfield * > General Manager > > *p*:?1300 592 330? | *m*: 0412 266 008 | *w*: > https://Iperium.com.au > > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 > > > *Your Connectivity Team* > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files > or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential > information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under > copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. 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Iperium accepts no liability for any damage > caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > > On 28 Dec 2022, at 16:27, Michael Bethune > > wrote: > > Nathan, > > What effects are you seeing on NWB? > > We're seeing no new PPP sessions since 1:37pm in all states on NWB. > > - Michael. > > Quoting Nathan Brookfield > : > > > Merry Christmas everybody and I hope y?all have a safe and > relaxing new year. > > So who else is affected by this AaPT outage in Sydney, > affecting NWB ?and frontier is also down and getting anybody > on the phone is almost ?impossible. > > Nathan Brookfield > > General Manager > > p: 1300 592 330 ?| ?m: 0412 266 008 | w: > https://Iperium.com.au > > Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW > 2000 > > Your Connectivity Team > > DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named > ?addressee. 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Graham On 28/12/22 16:45, Matt Perkins wrote: > > Our last access-accept was at 13.29 > > Matt > > > On 28/12/2022 5:41 pm, Nick Brown wrote: >> >> Our last auth request came through at 1.23PM Sydney time, but given >> sync/no auth faults that have come in today, I believe this problem >> started earlier in the day. >> >> *From: *AusNOG on behalf of Matt Perkins >> >> *Date: *Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 5:38 pm >> *To: *"ausnog at ausnog.net" >> *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] AAPT Outage >> >> Confirmed same here. Just tossed a test account off and it did not >> come back. >> >> Matt >> >> On 28/12/2022 5:32 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: >> >> Michael, >> >> That?s the symptom and I?ve also heard from two other parties who >> are seeing the same issue so it?s not isolated. >> >> Thankfully for us, it?s a third-party customers, Netwerk, and not >> our direct customers but thought it was worth racing here so >> everybody is aware it?s not just them. >> >> *Nathan Brookfield * >> General Manager >> >> *p*:?1300 592 330? | *m*: 0412 266 008 | *w*: >> https://Iperium.com.au >> >> >> Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 >> >> >> *Your Connectivity Team* >> >> >> >> >> >> DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named >> addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any >> files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or >> confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise >> protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual >> property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of >> any of the information contained in this document, by any person >> other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received >> this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and >> delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and >> legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken >> delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those >> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. >> >> WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The >> recipient should check this email and any attachments for the >> presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage >> caused by any virus transmitted by this email. >> >> >> On 28 Dec 2022, at 16:27, Michael Bethune >> >> wrote: >> >> Nathan, >> >> What effects are you seeing on NWB? >> >> We're seeing no new PPP sessions since 1:37pm in all states on NWB. >> >> - Michael. >> >> Quoting Nathan Brookfield >> : >> >> >> Merry Christmas everybody and I hope y?all have a safe and >> relaxing new year. >> >> So who else is affected by this AaPT outage in Sydney, >> affecting NWB ?and frontier is also down and getting anybody >> on the phone is almost ?impossible. >> >> Nathan Brookfield >> >> General Manager >> >> p: 1300 592 330 ?| ?m: 0412 266 008 | w: >> https://Iperium.com.au >> >> Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW >> 2000 >> >> Your Connectivity Team >> >> DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named >> ?addressee. 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It is also impacting services in QLD. AAPT acknowledged the fault with Frontier, and we were able to confirm CPE are in sync with NBN, so likely a forwarding issue. Graham On 28/12/22 16:45, Matt Perkins wrote: Our last access-accept was at 13.29 Matt On 28/12/2022 5:41 pm, Nick Brown wrote: Our last auth request came through at 1.23PM Sydney time, but given sync/no auth faults that have come in today, I believe this problem started earlier in the day. From: AusNOG on behalf of Matt Perkins Date: Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 5:38 pm To: "ausnog at ausnog.net" Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAPT Outage Confirmed same here. Just tossed a test account off and it did not come back. Matt On 28/12/2022 5:32 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: Michael, That?s the symptom and I?ve also heard from two other parties who are seeing the same issue so it?s not isolated. Thankfully for us, it?s a third-party customers, Netwerk, and not our direct customers but thought it was worth racing here so everybody is aware it?s not just them. Nathan Brookfield General Manager p: 1300 592 330 | m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Your Connectivity Team DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto, contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and otherwise protected under copyright or other applicable intellectual property laws. The use, disclosure, copying or distribution of any of the information contained in this document, by any person other than the addressee, is strictly prohibited. If you received this document in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any computer. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Iperium. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 28 Dec 2022, at 16:27, Michael Bethune wrote: Nathan, What effects are you seeing on NWB? We're seeing no new PPP sessions since 1:37pm in all states on NWB. - Michael. Quoting Nathan Brookfield : Merry Christmas everybody and I hope y?all have a safe and relaxing new year. So who else is affected by this AaPT outage in Sydney, affecting NWB and frontier is also down and getting anybody on the phone is almost impossible. 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URL: From matt at spectrum.com.au Wed Dec 28 18:35:42 2022 From: matt at spectrum.com.au (Matt Perkins) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 18:35:42 +1100 Subject: [AusNOG] AAPT Outage In-Reply-To: <78B85ECA-9744-409A-8A55-2E71850829D1@iperium.com.au> References: <2BB3D2FB-CC13-49A6-ABA5-26D40D85FB94@iperium.com.au> <20221228172714.tgax5w6g0g4s8w8g@horde-2.ozonline.com.au> <452A6E8A-41FA-4F79-BE8A-937C656A7A27@iperium.com.au> <0101018557769c99-5d69d3ac-1060-4a25-bd26-e8282dbe3122-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com> <6c9365e7-6306-4a8a-c9aa-a49ab81b6f54@spectrum.com.au> <79cc2c2f-937c-bf82-8372-be5fbbe7b4e2@maltby.id.au> <78B85ECA-9744-409A-8A55-2E71850829D1@iperium.com.au> Message-ID: <931adc57-fa1d-48a7-f10b-4318fc48888c@spectrum.com.au> It's all gone to hell in there. They cant even log a fault over the phone.? Kindly ring back later. No ETR. No Clue.? Escalations not answering. I smell a big DB issue. Im sure they have a crack squad on it. Matt. On 28/12/2022 5:55 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: > Both issues are related so once Frontier log-in is working we can > safely assume auth will follow. > > Probably trying to find somebody who isn?t on leave, actually knows > what they?re doing and who is sober enough to care. > > On 28 Dec 2022, at 16:51, Graham Maltby wrote: > > > ? It is also impacting services in QLD. > > AAPT acknowledged the fault with Frontier, and we were able to confirm > CPE are in sync with NBN, so likely a forwarding issue. > > Graham > > > On 28/12/22 16:45, Matt Perkins wrote: >> >> Our last access-accept was at 13.29 >> >> Matt >> >> >> On 28/12/2022 5:41 pm, Nick Brown wrote: >>> >>> Our last auth request came through at 1.23PM Sydney time, but given >>> sync/no auth faults that have come in today, I believe this problem >>> started earlier in the day. >>> >>> *From: *AusNOG on behalf of Matt Perkins >>> >>> *Date: *Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 5:38 pm >>> *To: *"ausnog at ausnog.net" >>> *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] AAPT Outage >>> >>> Confirmed same here. Just tossed a test account off and it did not >>> come back. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> On 28/12/2022 5:32 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: >>> >>> Michael, >>> >>> That?s the symptom and I?ve also heard from two other parties >>> who are seeing the same issue so it?s not isolated. >>> >>> Thankfully for us, it?s a third-party customers, Netwerk, and >>> not our direct customers but thought it was worth racing here so >>> everybody is aware it?s not just them. >>> >>> *Nathan Brookfield * >>> General Manager >>> >>> *p*:?1300 592 330? | *m*: 0412 266 008 | *w*: >>> https://Iperium.com.au >>> >>> >>> Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 >>> >>> >>> *Your Connectivity Team* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named >>> addressee. 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Iperium accepts no liability for any damage >>> caused by any virus transmitted by this email. >>> >>> >>> On 28 Dec 2022, at 16:27, Michael Bethune >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Nathan, >>> >>> What effects are you seeing on NWB? >>> >>> We're seeing no new PPP sessions since 1:37pm in all states on NWB. >>> >>> - Michael. >>> >>> Quoting Nathan Brookfield >>> : >>> >>> >>> Merry Christmas everybody and I hope y?all have a safe and >>> relaxing new year. >>> >>> So who else is affected by this AaPT outage in Sydney, >>> affecting NWB ?and frontier is also down and getting anybody >>> on the phone is almost ?impossible. >>> >>> Nathan Brookfield >>> >>> General Manager >>> >>> p: 1300 592 330 ?| ?m: 0412 266 008 | w: >>> https://Iperium.com.au >>> >>> Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW >>> 2000 >>> >>> Your Connectivity Team >>> >>> DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named >>> ?addressee. 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URL: From Clovis at netcore.com.au Thu Dec 29 11:50:32 2022 From: Clovis at netcore.com.au (Steve Dimitrio) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 00:50:32 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] aapt National Wholesale issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just got off the phone to them Issues still not resolved No eta From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Matt Perkins Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2022 11:36 AM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] aapt National Wholesale issues It seems to have been ok since yesterday around 6pm ~ Matt On 29/12/2022 11:15 am, Steve Dimitrio wrote: Does anyone from AAPT who might be on list have an ETA as to when the issues might be resolved, its day 2 now -- Steve Dimitrio Ph: 04111 75 886 _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- ** DO NOT SEND PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL VIA EMAIL /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. 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Matt On 29/12/2022 11:50 am, Steve Dimitrio wrote: > > Just got off the phone to them > > Issues still not resolved > > No eta > > *From:*AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Matt Perkins > *Sent:* Thursday, 29 December 2022 11:36 AM > *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] aapt National Wholesale issues > > It seems to have been ok since yesterday around 6pm ~ > > Matt > > On 29/12/2022 11:15 am, Steve Dimitrio wrote: > > Does anyone from AAPT who might be on list have an ETA as to when > the issues might be resolved, its day 2 now > > -- > > Steve Dimitrio > > Ph: 04111 75 886 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AusNOG mailing list > > AusNOG at ausnog.net > > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > -- > ** DO NOT SEND PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL VIA EMAIL > /* Matt Perkins > ??????? Direct 02 8916 8101???? Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. > ??????? Office 1300 133 299matt at spectrum.com.au > ??????? ABN 66 090 112 913????? Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 > */ -- ** DO NOT SEND PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL VIA EMAIL /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. Office 1300 133 299matt at spectrum.com.au ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 */ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Thu Dec 29 14:10:31 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 03:10:31 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] aapt National Wholesale issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3728DDE4-9D1D-4157-8C8C-B3EDDDB6AC53@iperium.com.au> Hi Steve, I can confirm it was resolved last night so not sure what your issue is exactly but it may be different to yesterday. Nathan Brookfield General Manager On 29 Dec 2022, at 10:50, Steve Dimitrio wrote: ? Just got off the phone to them Issues still not resolved No eta From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Matt Perkins Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2022 11:36 AM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] aapt National Wholesale issues It seems to have been ok since yesterday around 6pm ~ Matt On 29/12/2022 11:15 am, Steve Dimitrio wrote: Does anyone from AAPT who might be on list have an ETA as to when the issues might be resolved, its day 2 now -- Steve Dimitrio Ph: 04111 75 886 _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- ** DO NOT SEND PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL VIA EMAIL /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. 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Just got off the phone to them Issues still not resolved No eta From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Matt Perkins Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2022 11:36 AM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] aapt National Wholesale issues It seems to have been ok since yesterday around 6pm ~ Matt On 29/12/2022 11:15 am, Steve Dimitrio wrote: Does anyone from AAPT who might be on list have an ETA as to when the issues might be resolved, its day 2 now -- Steve Dimitrio Ph: 04111 75 886 _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- ** DO NOT SEND PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL VIA EMAIL /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. 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