From james.braunegg at micron21.com Mon Aug 1 13:21:20 2022 From: james.braunegg at micron21.com (James Braunegg) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 03:21:20 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Juniper Sales Rep / BDM contact - MX Routers Message-ID: <56b08be2dfd843bca950658237b5616a@micron21.com> Dear AusNOG Community Hope you are all doing well for a Monday afternoon. I am looking for recommendations for a SE / Sales Rep (Even better if they are based in Melbourne) who actually understands the Juniper MX routing platform and its associated licenses including CGNAT and Subscriber Management (MX240 and above) Please contact me off list via email Kindest Regards James Braunegg [cid:image001.png at 01D41D22.13BEEC40] 1300 769 972 / 0488 997 207 james.braunegg at micron21.com www.ddosprotection.com.au [cid:image002.png at 01D41D22.13BEEC40] [cid:image003.png at 01D41D22.13BEEC40] [cid:image004.png at 01D41D22.13BEEC40] Follow us on m21status.com for important service and system updates. 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This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer. From: Karl Kloppenborg Sent: Monday, 1 August 2022 1:23 PM To: James Braunegg Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Juniper Sales Rep / BDM contact - MX Routers Oh boy, enjoy that spam. On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 13:21, James Braunegg > wrote: Dear AusNOG Community Hope you are all doing well for a Monday afternoon. I am looking for recommendations for a SE / Sales Rep (Even better if they are based in Melbourne) who actually understands the Juniper MX routing platform and its associated licenses including CGNAT and Subscriber Management (MX240 and above) Please contact me off list via email Kindest Regards James Braunegg [cid:image001.png at 01D41D22.13BEEC40] 1300 769 972 / 0488 997 207 james.braunegg at micron21.com www.ddosprotection.com.au [cid:image002.png at 01D41D22.13BEEC40] [cid:image003.png at 01D41D22.13BEEC40] [cid:image004.png at 01D41D22.13BEEC40] Follow us on m21status.com for important service and system updates. This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee. 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Message-ID: Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... From nik at neko.id.au Tue Aug 2 14:36:23 2022 From: nik at neko.id.au (Nikolas Geyer) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:36:23 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E4945AC-E492-401E-86B1-6D1AD74357A5@neko.id.au> How incredibly disappointing. NOGs are primarily centered around the community spirit of peers in a shared industry being able to socially exchange with others, whether that be technical or otherwise. The exchange or handing out of ?swag? has been integral to this spirit for a very long time now as a gesture of good will between participants. The AusNOG website whilst not referencing the exchange of swag does mention the community oriented nature and spirit, with the primary word being used here ?community?. I understand there are commercial implications to running events, and that sponsors do a tremendous job in enabling a community to meet those commercial implications and expect a ROO, but that?s why they get their names plastered all over the material and the ability to run a ?booth? at the conference correct? To take away one of the most social aspects from such a community event is disgusting and goes against the spirit of the community. Good job sponsor, when it comes out who you are I hope you?re prepared for the likely backlash. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:21 PM, david at hughes.id wrote: > > ?Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From k at rl.ag Tue Aug 2 14:42:45 2022 From: k at rl.ag (Karl Kloppenborg) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:42:45 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? Honestly. Kind Regards, -- Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) Managing Director, Invention Labs. From: AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm To: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad at bradpeczka.com Tue Aug 2 14:54:14 2022 From: brad at bradpeczka.com (Brad Peczka) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:54:14 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wonder which organisation was behind this - because it reads like the corporate, for-profit interests of sponsors have been prioritised over the goal of fostering a NOG community? and all for what? Spite? Jealousy? Ego? It sure has heck isn?t sponsorship, because sponsorship implies you?re helping to grow and promote the community as much as the event, which this action certainly does not. Hopefully anyone who?s already ordered merch (are the lads from FlexOptix on here - at least you can now save on baggage, if you?re still coming?) can give it away at another event instead. Kind regards, -Brad Peczka Sent from my mobile device. On 2 Aug 2022, at 12:20 pm, david at hughes.id wrote: ?Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brendan at halley.net.au Tue Aug 2 14:56:12 2022 From: brendan at halley.net.au (Brendan Halley) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 14:56:12 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, Very disappointed to hear this. Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. Regards, Brendan On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April > about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in > particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full > of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that > our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half > the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of > you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the > conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k at rl.ag Tue Aug 2 15:04:27 2022 From: k at rl.ag (Karl Kloppenborg) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:04:27 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about persons who aren't sponsors handing out free drinks, in particular vodkas and whiskeys, etc. While everyone likes getting a drink full of free alcohol, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to shout beverages to all of you who attend. / end of sarcasm. Kind Regards, -- Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) Managing Director, Invention Labs. From: AusNOG on behalf of Brendan Halley Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:56 pm To: david at hughes.id Cc: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Hi David, Very disappointed to hear this. Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. Regards, Brendan On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM > wrote: Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jenn at jenn.id.au Tue Aug 2 15:08:19 2022 From: jenn at jenn.id.au (Jennifer Sims) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 15:08:19 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guess I'll be leaving some lanyards at home then. Makes my backpack so much lighter! On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 3:04 PM Karl Kloppenborg wrote: > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April > about persons who aren't sponsors handing out free drinks, in particular > vodkas and whiskeys, etc. While everyone likes getting a drink full of > free alcohol, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that > our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half > the cost and in return they get the right to shout beverages to all of you > who attend. > > / end of sarcasm. > > > > Kind Regards, > > -- > > *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA > Linux+ XK0-004)* > > Managing Director, Invention Labs. > > > > > > *From: *AusNOG on behalf of Brendan Halley < > brendan at halley.net.au> > *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:56 pm > *To: *david at hughes.id > *Cc: *AusNOG Mailing List > *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > Hi David, > > > > Very disappointed to hear this. > > > > Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to > sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big > names willing to take a sponsorship slot. > > > > It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about > an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. > > > > Regards, > > Brendan > > > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: > > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April > about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in > particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full > of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that > our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half > the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of > you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the > conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Tue Aug 2 15:10:03 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:10:03 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay now I?m triggered too, not the Lanyards!!!!!! From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Jennifer Sims Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 3:08 PM To: Karl Kloppenborg Cc: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Guess I'll be leaving some lanyards at home then. Makes my backpack so much lighter! On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 3:04 PM Karl Kloppenborg > wrote: Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about persons who aren't sponsors handing out free drinks, in particular vodkas and whiskeys, etc. While everyone likes getting a drink full of free alcohol, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to shout beverages to all of you who attend. / end of sarcasm. Kind Regards, -- Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) Managing Director, Invention Labs. From: AusNOG > on behalf of Brendan Halley > Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:56 pm To: david at hughes.id > Cc: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Hi David, Very disappointed to hear this. Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. Regards, Brendan On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM > wrote: Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bevan at slattery.net.au Tue Aug 2 15:12:15 2022 From: bevan at slattery.net.au (Bevan Slattery) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:12:15 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did someone say KFC? (Bwhahahahaha). [b] From: AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm To: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shaun at kadeo.com.au Tue Aug 2 15:19:29 2022 From: shaun at kadeo.com.au (Shaun Deans) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 15:19:29 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). For an NOG we seem to be very offline ???? It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: > Hi David, > > > > At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial > commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as > I?d like. > > > > This has historically always taken place and given the small community > nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the > experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. > > > > I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the > face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet > with their industry peers but more importantly *friends.* > > > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for > those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the > event a safer place for all? > > > > Honestly. > > > > Kind Regards, > > -- > > *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA > Linux+ XK0-004)* > > Managing Director, Invention Labs. > > > > > > *From: *AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id < > david at hughes.id> > *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm > *To: *AusNOG Mailing List > *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April > about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in > particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full > of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that > our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half > the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of > you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the > conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rendrag at rendrag.net Tue Aug 2 15:53:40 2022 From: rendrag at rendrag.net (Damien Gardner Jnr) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 15:53:40 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This!!!! I hated flying before covid, as I always got off the plane with a cold or flu, now it?s not even worth the risk. And I?m not at all a fan of crowds. I would LOVE it if AusNOG was streamed, would happily pay half the ticket price to be able to watch online! ?DG On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 3:19 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for > those who can?t attend > > I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I > have done just this for TedX. > > Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that > against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). > > For an NOG we seem to be very offline ???? > > It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. > > > Cheers > > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> >> >> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial >> commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as >> I?d like. >> >> >> >> This has historically always taken place and given the small community >> nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the >> experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >> >> >> >> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the >> face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet >> with their industry peers but more importantly *friends.* >> >> >> >> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for >> those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the >> event a safer place for all? >> >> >> >> Honestly. >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> -- >> >> *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA >> Linux+ XK0-004)* >> >> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id < >> david at hughes.id> >> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List >> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >> >> Afternoon all, >> >> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >> particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full >> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >> our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half >> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of >> you who attend. >> >> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at >> the conference. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David, on behalf of the Board >> ... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Damien Gardner Jnr VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust rendrag at rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ -- We rode on the winds of the rising storm, We ran to the sounds of thunder. We danced among the lightning bolts, and tore the world asunder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Tue Aug 2 16:10:01 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:10:01 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Considering I lost the entire cost of my ticket in April, no refund etc because of COVID, having the streaming option would have certialny been nice not to miss out that?s for sure. From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Damien Gardner Jnr Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 3:54 PM To: Shaun Deans Cc: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. This!!!! I hated flying before covid, as I always got off the plane with a cold or flu, now it?s not even worth the risk. And I?m not at all a fan of crowds. I would LOVE it if AusNOG was streamed, would happily pay half the ticket price to be able to watch online! ?DG On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 3:19 pm, Shaun Deans > wrote: > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). For an NOG we seem to be very offline ???? It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, > wrote: Hi David, At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? Honestly. Kind Regards, -- Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) Managing Director, Invention Labs. From: AusNOG > on behalf of david at hughes.id > Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm To: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- Damien Gardner Jnr VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust rendrag at rendrag.net - http://www.rendrag.net/ -- We rode on the winds of the rising storm, We ran to the sounds of thunder. We danced among the lightning bolts, and tore the world asunder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shaun at kadeo.com.au Tue Aug 2 16:33:07 2022 From: shaun at kadeo.com.au (Shaun Deans) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2022 06:33:07 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag --- * Income * August 2022 =? ~ 300 Attendees ( https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/attendees ) at $600 per ticket (Average) ( https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2022/registration ) * Total?$180K * Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K * Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? * I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't * This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors * So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K * nice round number * and its 'nearly half' * Streaming to to masses! * 50%??Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 * Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 * That's only *50 tickets and it may break even* * 3 people said they'd be interested already. * This doesn't include: * Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc * Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs? * Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s * All advice is general in nature? /s ? ???? SD. On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans < shaun at kadeo.com.au > wrote: > > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for > those who can?t attend > > > > I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I > have done just this for TedX. > > > > Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that > against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). > > > > For an NOG we seem to be very offline ???? > > > > It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live > stream. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Shaun Deans > > ???? kadeo. au ( http://kadeo.au/ ) > > 1800 WKD KDO > > ????? > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, < k@ rl. ag ( k at rl.ag ) > > wrote: > > >> >> >> Hi David, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial >> commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as >> I?d like. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This has historically always taken place and given the small community >> nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the >> experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the >> face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet >> with their industry peers but more importantly friends. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for >> those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the >> event a safer place for all? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Honestly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> *Karl Kloppenborg,* (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ >> XK0-004) >> >> >> >> >> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AusNOG < ausnog-bounces@ ausnog. net ( ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net ) >> > on behalf of david@ hughes. id ( david at hughes.id ) < david@ hughes. id ( >> david at hughes.id ) > >> *Date:* Tuesday , 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >> *To:* AusNOG Mailing List < ausnog@ ausnog. net ( ausnog at ausnog.net ) > >> *Subject:* [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >> >> >> >> >> Afternoon all, >> >> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >> particular branded t-shirts etc.? While everyone likes getting a bag full >> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >> our sponsors make towards funding the conference.? They cover almost half >> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of >> you who attend. >> >> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the >> conference. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David, on behalf of the Board >> ... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG@ ausnog. net ( AusNOG at ausnog.net ) >> ( https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ) https:/ / lists. ausnog. >> net/ mailman/ listinfo/ ausnog ( >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AusNOG mailing list >> >> AusNOG@ ausnog. net ( AusNOG at ausnog.net ) >> >> https:/ / lists. ausnog. net/ mailman/ listinfo/ ausnog ( >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ) >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at spectrum.com.au Tue Aug 2 16:38:29 2022 From: matt at spectrum.com.au (Matt Perkins) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:38:29 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61b5ad4e-c399-e60e-1b9b-093f18b291da@spectrum.com.au> You know sometimes you say something in your head. And it sounds totaly fine then when you see it out loud. ;) On 2/8/2022 2:20 pm, david at hughes.id wrote: > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 */ From michael at hobl.com.au Tue Aug 2 16:42:57 2022 From: michael at hobl.com.au (Michael Hobl) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:42:57 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <61b5ad4e-c399-e60e-1b9b-093f18b291da@spectrum.com.au> References: <61b5ad4e-c399-e60e-1b9b-093f18b291da@spectrum.com.au> Message-ID: So I'm allowed to bring livestreaming gear as long as I don't give any of it away, right? - Michael On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 4:39 PM Matt Perkins wrote: > You know sometimes you say something in your head. And it sounds totaly > fine then when you see it out loud. ;) > > > On 2/8/2022 2:20 pm, david at hughes.id wrote: > > Afternoon all, > > > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April > about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in > particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full > of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that > our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half > the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of > you who attend. > > > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at > the conference. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > David, on behalf of the Board > > ... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AusNOG mailing list > > AusNOG at ausnog.net > > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > -- > /* Matt Perkins > Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. > Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au > ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 > */ > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cameron.murray at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 16:46:31 2022 From: cameron.murray at gmail.com (Cameron Murray) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:46:31 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: <61b5ad4e-c399-e60e-1b9b-093f18b291da@spectrum.com.au> Message-ID: Happy to not pay for your stream Michael :) On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 4:43 pm Michael Hobl, wrote: > So I'm allowed to bring livestreaming gear as long as I don't give any of > it away, right? > > - Michael > > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 4:39 PM Matt Perkins wrote: > >> You know sometimes you say something in your head. And it sounds totaly >> fine then when you see it out loud. ;) >> >> >> On 2/8/2022 2:20 pm, david at hughes.id wrote: >> > Afternoon all, >> > >> > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >> particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full >> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >> our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half >> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of >> you who attend. >> > >> > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at >> the conference. >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > David, on behalf of the Board >> > ... >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AusNOG mailing list >> > AusNOG at ausnog.net >> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> >> -- >> /* Matt Perkins >> Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. >> Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au >> ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 >> */ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry at terrym.net Tue Aug 2 17:04:02 2022 From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:04:02 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A50F53C-305F-4095-B1F7-7CE5E5E3C425@terrym.net> Hi Shaun, are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. > > TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag > > --- > Income > August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) > Total $180K > Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K > > Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? > I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't > This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors > So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K > nice round number > and its 'nearly half' > > Streaming to to masses! > 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 > Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 > That's only 50 tickets and it may break even > 3 people said they'd be interested already. > > This doesn't include: > Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc > Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs > > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > All advice is general in nature /s > > > > SD. > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans wrote: >> > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend >> >> I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. >> >> Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). >> >> For an NOG we seem to be very offline >> >> It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Shaun Deans >> kadeo.au >> 1800 WKD KDO >> >> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> >>> >>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. >>> >>> >>> >>> This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. >>> >>> >>> >>> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? >>> >>> >>> >>> Honestly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) >>> >>> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id >>> Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >>> To: AusNOG Mailing List >>> Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> Afternoon all, >>> >>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>> >>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> David, on behalf of the Board >>> ... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at uberskilled.com Tue Aug 2 17:09:31 2022 From: admin at uberskilled.com (Andrew White) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:09:31 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <2A50F53C-305F-4095-B1F7-7CE5E5E3C425@terrym.net> References: <2A50F53C-305F-4095-B1F7-7CE5E5E3C425@terrym.net> Message-ID: I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? - Whitey On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson wrote: > Hi Shaun, > > are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters > provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be > shared. How does that factor into you math? > > That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) > many presentations you won't see on youtube. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > > It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. > > TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' *- Swag * > > --- > > 1. Income > 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees > at $600 per > ticket (Average) > > 2. Total $180K > 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K > > 2. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? > 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't > 2. This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we > don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors > 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K > 1. nice round number > 2. and its 'nearly half' > > 3. Streaming to to masses! > 1. 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 > 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 > 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may break even* > 1. 3 people said they'd be interested already. > > 4. This doesn't include: > 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc > 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[image: ?] > > 5. *Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s* > 6. > *All advice is general in nature /s * > > [image: ?] [image: ????] > > SD. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans wrote: > >> > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for >> those who can?t attend >> >> I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I >> have done just this for TedX. >> >> Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack >> that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person >> overheads). >> >> For an NOG we seem to be very offline [image: ????] >> >> It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live >> stream. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Shaun Deans >> [image: ????] kadeo.au >> 1800 WKD KDO >> [image: ?][image: ????] >> >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> >>> >>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial >>> commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as >>> I?d like. >>> >>> >>> >>> This has historically always taken place and given the small community >>> nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the >>> experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the >>> face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet >>> with their industry peers but more importantly *friends.* >>> >>> >>> >>> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for >>> those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the >>> event a safer place for all? >>> >>> >>> >>> Honestly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA >>> Linux+ XK0-004)* >>> >>> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id >>> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >>> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List >>> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> Afternoon all, >>> >>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >>> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >>> particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full >>> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >>> our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half >>> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of >>> you who attend. >>> >>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at >>> the conference. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> David, on behalf of the Board >>> ... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: > > ? > Hi David, > > Very disappointed to hear this. > > Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. > > It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. > > Regards, > Brendan > >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: >> Afternoon all, >> >> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >> >> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David, on behalf of the Board >> ... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shaun at kadeo.com.au Tue Aug 2 17:23:43 2022 From: shaun at kadeo.com.au (Shaun Deans) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:23:43 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: <2A50F53C-305F-4095-B1F7-7CE5E5E3C425@terrym.net> Message-ID: Terry You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if. > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > All advice is general in nature /s But in the interest of healthy community debate: Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event. - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. For every pro there is a con. Innovation does not come without compromise. I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive. Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, wrote: > I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? > > - Whitey > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson wrote: > >> Hi Shaun, >> >> are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters >> provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be >> shared. How does that factor into you math? >> >> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) >> many presentations you won't see on youtube. >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: >> >> ? >> >> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. >> >> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' *- Swag * >> >> --- >> >> 1. Income >> 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees >> at $600 per >> ticket (Average) >> >> 2. Total $180K >> 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K >> >> 2. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? >> 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't >> 2. This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we >> don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors >> 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K >> 1. nice round number >> 2. and its 'nearly half' >> >> 3. Streaming to to masses! >> 1. 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 >> 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 >> 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may break even* >> 1. 3 people said they'd be interested already. >> >> 4. This doesn't include: >> 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc >> 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[image: ?] >> >> 5. *Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s* >> 6. >> *All advice is general in nature /s * >> >> [image: ?] [image: ????] >> >> SD. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans wrote: >> >>> > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for >>> those who can?t attend >>> >>> I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. >>> I have done just this for TedX. >>> >>> Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack >>> that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person >>> overheads). >>> >>> For an NOG we seem to be very offline [image: ????] >>> >>> It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live >>> stream. >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> [image: ????] kadeo.au >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> [image: ?][image: ????] >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial >>>> commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as >>>> I?d like. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This has historically always taken place and given the small community >>>> nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the >>>> experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of >>>> the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to >>>> meet with their industry peers but more importantly *friends.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for >>>> those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the >>>> event a safer place for all? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Honestly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA >>>> Linux+ XK0-004)* >>>> >>>> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id >>>> >>>> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >>>> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List >>>> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>>> >>>> Afternoon all, >>>> >>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >>>> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >>>> particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full >>>> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >>>> our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half >>>> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of >>>> you who attend. >>>> >>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at >>>> the conference. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> David, on behalf of the Board >>>> ... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>> >>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry at terrym.net Tue Aug 2 17:34:14 2022 From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:34:14 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. my perspective, ymmv. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > > Terry > > You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. > > Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if. > > > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > > All advice is general in nature /s > > But in the interest of healthy community debate: > > Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' > > Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event. > > - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. > > For every pro there is a con. > Innovation does not come without compromise. > > I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive. > > Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, wrote: >> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? >> >> - Whitey >> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson wrote: >>> Hi Shaun, >>> >>> are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? >>> >>> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Terry >>> -- >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>> >>>> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. >>>> >>>> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Income >>>> August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) >>>> Total $180K >>>> Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K >>>> >>>> Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? >>>> I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't >>>> This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors >>>> So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K >>>> nice round number >>>> and its 'nearly half' >>>> >>>> Streaming to to masses! >>>> 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 >>>> Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 >>>> That's only 50 tickets and it may break even >>>> 3 people said they'd be interested already. >>>> >>>> This doesn't include: >>>> Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc >>>> Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs >>>> >>>> Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s >>>> All advice is general in nature /s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> SD. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans wrote: >>>>> > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend >>>>> >>>>> I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. >>>>> >>>>> Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). >>>>> >>>>> For an NOG we seem to be very offline >>>>> >>>>> It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Shaun Deans >>>>> kadeo.au >>>>> 1800 WKD KDO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: >>>>>> Hi David, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) >>>>>> >>>>>> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id >>>>>> Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >>>>>> To: AusNOG Mailing List >>>>>> Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>>>>> >>>>>> Afternoon all, >>>>>> >>>>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> David, on behalf of the Board >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry at terrym.net Tue Aug 2 17:38:01 2022 From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:38:01 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <28FA6F13-73B8-432F-B373-107537A3AD73@short.id.au> References: <28FA6F13-73B8-432F-B373-107537A3AD73@short.id.au> Message-ID: <1FB5B43F-A24A-4065-91DB-369B068BC46A@terrym.net> my opinion only.. David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage factory as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I think it has always been "a thing" ? Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short wrote: > > ?Hi Terry, > > Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I understand where this is coming from? however there?s always a line of reason. I am however concerned that this hasn?t been an issue for a very long time now and it?s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation. > > Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what?s been an established behaviour since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who?s more understanding of the industry dynamic. > > -Shane > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >> >> Hi Brendan, >> >> This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any of the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be able to share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be there". >> >> If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David as a likely future sponsor. >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Very disappointed to hear this. >>> >>> Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. >>> >>> It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Brendan >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: >>>> Afternoon all, >>>> >>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>>> >>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> David, on behalf of the Board >>>> ... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shaun at kadeo.com.au Tue Aug 2 17:42:39 2022 From: shaun at kadeo.com.au (Shaun Deans) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:42:39 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. It's now up to the community to make choices. The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from my arm chair. I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form that works for everyone. Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, wrote: > Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? > > there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the > network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet > people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking > with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed > and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. > > my perspective, ymmv. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > > Terry > > You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. > > Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was > just saying - what if. > > > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > > All advice is general in nature /s > > But in the interest of healthy community debate: > > Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' > > Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get > 75% of the event. > > - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. > > For every pro there is a con. > Innovation does not come without compromise. > > I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they > receive. > > Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, wrote: > >> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? >> >> - Whitey >> >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson wrote: >> >>> Hi Shaun, >>> >>> are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many >>> presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides >>> can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? >>> >>> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) >>> many presentations you won't see on youtube. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Terry >>> -- >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. >>> >>> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' *- Swag * >>> >>> --- >>> >>> 1. Income >>> 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees >>> at $600 per >>> ticket (Average) >>> >>> 2. Total $180K >>> 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K >>> >>> 2. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? >>> 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't >>> 2. This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and >>> we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors >>> 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K >>> 1. nice round number >>> 2. and its 'nearly half' >>> >>> 3. Streaming to to masses! >>> 1. 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 >>> 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 >>> 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may break even* >>> 1. 3 people said they'd be interested already. >>> >>> 4. This doesn't include: >>> 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc >>> 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[image: ?] >>> >>> 5. *Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s* >>> 6. >>> *All advice is general in nature /s * >>> >>> [image: ?] [image: ????] >>> >>> SD. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans >>> wrote: >>> >>>> > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event >>>> for those who can?t attend >>>> >>>> I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. >>>> I have done just this for TedX. >>>> >>>> Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack >>>> that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person >>>> overheads). >>>> >>>> For an NOG we seem to be very offline [image: ????] >>>> >>>> It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live >>>> stream. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Shaun Deans >>>> [image: ????] kadeo.au >>>> 1800 WKD KDO >>>> [image: ?][image: ????] >>>> >>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial >>>>> commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as >>>>> I?d like. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This has historically always taken place and given the small community >>>>> nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the >>>>> experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of >>>>> the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to >>>>> meet with their industry peers but more importantly *friends.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for >>>>> those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the >>>>> event a safer place for all? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Honestly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA >>>>> Linux+ XK0-004)* >>>>> >>>>> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *AusNOG on behalf of >>>>> david at hughes.id >>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >>>>> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List >>>>> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>>>> >>>>> Afternoon all, >>>>> >>>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >>>>> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >>>>> particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full >>>>> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >>>>> our sponsors make towards funding the conference. 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Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:42 pm, Shane Short wrote: > > ?If it?s always been a thing; what?s the catalyst for this sudden change in rules? > > I?ve had to tell *massive* multinational companies that no? you can?t be the only type of vendor at the event and no we won?t change our logo from red because that?s your competitions?s colour. > > I?m confident that if this particular sponsor isn?t happy to play ball, someone else will. > > -Shane > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:38 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >> >> my opinion only.. >> >> David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage factory as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I think it has always been "a thing" ? >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short wrote: >>>> >>> ?Hi Terry, >>> >>> Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I understand where this is coming from? however there?s always a line of reason. I am however concerned that this hasn?t been an issue for a very long time now and it?s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation. >>> >>> Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what?s been an established behaviour since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who?s more understanding of the industry dynamic. >>> >>> -Shane >>> >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Brendan, >>>> >>>> This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any of the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be able to share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be there". >>>> >>>> If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David as a likely future sponsor. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Terry >>>> -- >>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>>> >>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> Very disappointed to hear this. >>>>> >>>>> Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. >>>>> >>>>> It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Brendan >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: >>>>>> Afternoon all, >>>>>> >>>>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> David, on behalf of the Board >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Tue Aug 2 17:48:53 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:48:53 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or Audio. NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we?re way past the days of someone saying something in a room being private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why is Australia special?. From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Shaun Deans Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM To: Terry Manderson Cc: AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. It's now up to the community to make choices. The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from my arm chair. I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form that works for everyone. Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, > wrote: Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. my perspective, ymmv. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans > wrote: ? Terry You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if. > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > All advice is general in nature /s But in the interest of healthy community debate: Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event. - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. For every pro there is a con. Innovation does not come without compromise. I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive. Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, > wrote: I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? - Whitey On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson > wrote: Hi Shaun, are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans > wrote: ? It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag --- 1. Income * August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) * Total $180K * Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K 1. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? * I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't * This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors * So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K * nice round number * and its 'nearly half' 1. Streaming to to masses! * 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 * Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 * That's only 50 tickets and it may break even * 3 people said they'd be interested already. 1. This doesn't include: * Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc * Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[?] 1. Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s 2. All advice is general in nature /s [?][????] SD. On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans > wrote: > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). For an NOG we seem to be very offline [????] It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. Cheers Shaun Deans [????]kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO [?][????] On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, > wrote: Hi David, At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? Honestly. Kind Regards, -- Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) Managing Director, Invention Labs. From: AusNOG > on behalf of david at hughes.id > Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm To: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry at terrym.net Tue Aug 2 17:52:52 2022 From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:52:52 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2427C798-4220-4398-9DEA-14BEEACABFFD@terrym.net> its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is recorded or streamed... Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: > > ? > I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or Audio. > > NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we?re way past the days of someone saying something in a room being private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why is Australia special?. > > From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Shaun Deans > Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM > To: Terry Manderson > Cc: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. > > All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. > > It's now up to the community to make choices. > > The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from my arm chair. > > I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form that works for everyone. > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, wrote: > Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? > > there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. > > my perspective, ymmv. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > > Terry > > You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. > > Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if. > > > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > > All advice is general in nature /s > > But in the interest of healthy community debate: > > Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' > > Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event. > > - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. > > For every pro there is a con. > Innovation does not come without compromise. > > I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive. > > Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, wrote: > I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? > > - Whitey > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson wrote: > Hi Shaun, > > are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? > > That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. > > TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag > > --- > Income > August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) > Total $180K > Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K > Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? > I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't > This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors > So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K > nice round number > and its 'nearly half' > Streaming to to masses! > 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 > Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 > That's only 50 tickets and it may break even > 3 people said they'd be interested already. > This doesn't include: > Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc > Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > All advice is general in nature /s > > > SD. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans wrote: > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend > > I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. > > Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). > > For an NOG we seem to be very offline > > It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: > Hi David, > > At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. > > This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. > > I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? > > Honestly. > > Kind Regards, > -- > Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) > Managing Director, Invention Labs. > > > From: AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id > Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm > To: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Tue Aug 2 17:59:01 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:59:01 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <2427C798-4220-4398-9DEA-14BEEACABFFD@terrym.net> References: <2427C798-4220-4398-9DEA-14BEEACABFFD@terrym.net> Message-ID: It?s very common for conferences for slides not to be published or the stream not to be replayed later but streaming is here and not going anywhere, if anything with the conference size constantly growing it would likely end up in MORE revenue as tickets often sell out and space becomes an issue so even more now than ever it would seem worthwhile. From: Terry Manderson Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:53 PM To: Nathan Brookfield Cc: Shaun Deans ; AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is recorded or streamed... Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield > wrote: ? I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or Audio. NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we?re way past the days of someone saying something in a room being private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why is Australia special?. From: AusNOG > On Behalf Of Shaun Deans Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM To: Terry Manderson > Cc: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. It's now up to the community to make choices. The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from my arm chair. I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form that works for everyone. Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, > wrote: Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. my perspective, ymmv. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans > wrote: ? Terry You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if. > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > All advice is general in nature /s But in the interest of healthy community debate: Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event. - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. For every pro there is a con. Innovation does not come without compromise. I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive. Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, > wrote: I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? - Whitey On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson > wrote: Hi Shaun, are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans > wrote: ? It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag --- 1. Income * August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) * Total $180K * Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K 1. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? * I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't * This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors * So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K * nice round number * and its 'nearly half' 1. Streaming to to masses! * 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 * Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 * That's only 50 tickets and it may break even * 3 people said they'd be interested already. 1. This doesn't include: * Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc * Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[?] 1. Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s 2. All advice is general in nature /s [?][????] SD. On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans > wrote: > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). For an NOG we seem to be very offline [????] It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. Cheers Shaun Deans [????]kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO [?][????] On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, > wrote: Hi David, At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? Honestly. Kind Regards, -- Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) Managing Director, Invention Labs. From: AusNOG > on behalf of david at hughes.id > Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm To: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edepa at ieee.org Tue Aug 2 18:01:03 2022 From: edepa at ieee.org (Etienne-Victor Depasquale) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:01:03 +0200 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <2427C798-4220-4398-9DEA-14BEEACABFFD@terrym.net> References: <2427C798-4220-4398-9DEA-14BEEACABFFD@terrym.net> Message-ID: I'm just an academic (from Malta) whose research depends on and concerns dissemination of information on telecoms networks and reading that a presenter at a conference would ask "don't stream, don't share slides" is puzzling and disconcerting ... Cheers, Etienne On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:53 AM Terry Manderson wrote: > its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous > presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". > > i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is > recorded or streamed... > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield < > Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote: > > ? > > I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering > 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or > Audio. > > > > NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with > companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial > complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed > too when opening the stream, we?re way past the days of someone saying > something in a room being private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why > is Australia special?. > > > > *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Shaun Deans > *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM > *To:* Terry Manderson > *Cc:* AusNOG Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > > > All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. > > > > All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. > > > > It's now up to the community to make choices. > > > > The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate > from my arm chair. > > > > I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form > that works for everyone. > > > > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, wrote: > > Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? > > > > there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the > network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet > people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking > with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed > and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. > > > > my perspective, ymmv. > > Cheers, > > Terry > > -- > > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > > > > Terry > > > > You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. > > > > Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was > just saying - what if. > > > > > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > > > All advice is general in nature /s > > > > But in the interest of healthy community debate: > > > > Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' > > > > Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get > 75% of the event. > > > > - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. > > > > For every pro there is a con. > > Innovation does not come without compromise. > > > > I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they > receive. > > > > Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? > > > > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, wrote: > > I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? > > > > - Whitey > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson wrote: > > Hi Shaun, > > > > are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters > provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be > shared. How does that factor into you math? > > > > That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) > many presentations you won't see on youtube. > > Cheers, > > Terry > > -- > > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > > It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. > > > > TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' *- Swag * > > > > --- > > 1. Income > > > 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees > at $600 per > ticket (Average) > > 2. Total $180K > 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K > > > 1. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? > > > 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't > 2. This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we > don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors > 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K > > > 1. nice round number > 2. and its 'nearly half' > > > 1. Streaming to to masses! > > > 1. 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 > 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 > 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may break even* > > > 1. 3 people said they'd be interested already. > > > 1. This doesn't include: > > > 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc > 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[image: ?] > > > 1. *Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s* > 2. *All advice is general in nature /s* > > [image: ?][image: ????] > > > > SD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans wrote: > > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for > those who can?t attend > > > > I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I > have done just this for TedX. > > > > Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that > against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). > > > > For an NOG we seem to be very offline [image: ????] > > > > It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Shaun Deans > > [image: ????]kadeo.au > > 1800 WKD KDO > > [image: ?][image: ????] > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: > > Hi David, > > > > At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial > commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as > I?d like. > > > > This has historically always taken place and given the small community > nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the > experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. > > > > I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the > face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet > with their industry peers but more importantly *friends.* > > > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for > those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the > event a safer place for all? > > > > Honestly. > > > > Kind Regards, > > -- > > *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA > Linux+ XK0-004)* > > Managing Director, Invention Labs. > > > > > > *From: *AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id < > david at hughes.id> > *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm > *To: *AusNOG Mailing List > *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April > about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in > particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full > of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that > our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half > the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of > you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the > conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > > AusNOG mailing list > > AusNOG at ausnog.net > > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale Assistant Lecturer Department of Communications & Computer Engineering Faculty of Information & Communication Technology University of Malta Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry at terrym.net Tue Aug 2 18:10:11 2022 From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:10:11 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The guarantee for streams to not be replayed is limited. Many legal teams cannot approach that. It's as simple as that. I'd, personally, rather AusOG get the awesome presentations rather than the redacted ones.. YMMV. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:59 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: > > ? > It?s very common for conferences for slides not to be published or the stream not to be replayed later but streaming is here and not going anywhere, if anything with the conference size constantly growing it would likely end up in MORE revenue as tickets often sell out and space becomes an issue so even more now than ever it would seem worthwhile. > > From: Terry Manderson > Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:53 PM > To: Nathan Brookfield > Cc: Shaun Deans ; AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". > > i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is recorded or streamed... > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: > > ? > I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or Audio. > > NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we?re way past the days of someone saying something in a room being private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why is Australia special?. > > From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Shaun Deans > Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM > To: Terry Manderson > Cc: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. > > All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. > > It's now up to the community to make choices. > > The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from my arm chair. > > I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form that works for everyone. > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, wrote: > Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? > > there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. > > my perspective, ymmv. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > > Terry > > You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. > > Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if. > > > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > > All advice is general in nature /s > > But in the interest of healthy community debate: > > Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' > > Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event. > > - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. > > For every pro there is a con. > Innovation does not come without compromise. > > I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive. > > Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > ???? kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > ????? > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, wrote: > I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? > > - Whitey > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson wrote: > Hi Shaun, > > are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? > > That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: > > ? > It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. > > TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag > > --- > Income > August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) > Total $180K > Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K > Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? > I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't > This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors > So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K > nice round number > and its 'nearly half' > Streaming to to masses! > 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 > Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 > That's only 50 tickets and it may break even > 3 people said they'd be interested already. > This doesn't include: > Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc > Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > All advice is general in nature /s > > > SD. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans wrote: > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend > > I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. > > Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). > > For an NOG we seem to be very offline > > It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: > Hi David, > > At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. > > This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. > > I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? > > Honestly. > > Kind Regards, > -- > Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) > Managing Director, Invention Labs. > > > From: AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id > Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm > To: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 6:01 pm, Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote: > > ? > I'm just an academic (from Malta) whose research depends on and concerns > dissemination of information on telecoms networks and > reading that a presenter at a conference would ask "don't stream, don't share slides" is puzzling and disconcerting ... > > Cheers, > > Etienne > >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:53 AM Terry Manderson wrote: >> its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". >> >> i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is recorded or streamed... >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or Audio. >>> >>> >>> >>> NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we?re way past the days of someone saying something in a room being private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why is Australia special?. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Shaun Deans >>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM >>> To: Terry Manderson >>> Cc: AusNOG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> >>> >>> All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. >>> >>> >>> >>> All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's now up to the community to make choices. >>> >>> >>> >>> The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from my arm chair. >>> >>> >>> >>> I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form that works for everyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> ???? kadeo.au >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> ????? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, wrote: >>> >>> Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? >>> >>> >>> >>> there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> my perspective, ymmv. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> >>> >>> You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. >>> >>> >>> >>> Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if. >>> >>> >>> >>> > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s >>> >>> > All advice is general in nature /s >>> >>> >>> >>> But in the interest of healthy community debate: >>> >>> >>> >>> Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' >>> >>> >>> >>> Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event. >>> >>> >>> >>> - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. >>> >>> >>> >>> For every pro there is a con. >>> >>> Innovation does not come without compromise. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive. >>> >>> >>> >>> Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> ???? kadeo.au >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> ????? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, wrote: >>> >>> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? >>> >>> >>> >>> - Whitey >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson wrote: >>> >>> Hi Shaun, >>> >>> >>> >>> are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? >>> >>> >>> >>> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. >>> >>> >>> >>> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Income >>> August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) >>> Total $180K >>> Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K >>> Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? >>> I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't >>> This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors >>> So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K >>> nice round number >>> and its 'nearly half' >>> Streaming to to masses! >>> 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 >>> Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 >>> That's only 50 tickets and it may break even >>> 3 people said they'd be interested already. >>> This doesn't include: >>> Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc >>> Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs >>> Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s >>> All advice is general in nature /s >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> SD. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans wrote: >>> >>> > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend >>> >>> >>> >>> I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. >>> >>> >>> >>> Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). >>> >>> >>> >>> For an NOG we seem to be very offline >>> >>> >>> >>> It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> >>> kadeo.au >>> >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> >>> >>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. >>> >>> >>> >>> This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. >>> >>> >>> >>> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? >>> >>> >>> >>> Honestly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) >>> >>> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AusNOG on behalf of david at hughes.id >>> Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >>> To: AusNOG Mailing List >>> Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> Afternoon all, >>> >>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>> >>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> David, on behalf of the Board >>> ... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > -- > Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale > Assistant Lecturer > Department of Communications & Computer Engineering > Faculty of Information & Communication Technology > University of Malta > Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luke.t at tncrew.com.au Tue Aug 2 18:16:30 2022 From: luke.t at tncrew.com.au (Luke Thompson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:16:30 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: <2427C798-4220-4398-9DEA-14BEEACABFFD@terrym.net> Message-ID: Back at university where lectures were recorded (no live streaming), the presenter had the option to start/stop the recording but also to pause - which was used for these very segments. A disadvantage of sorts for those attending remotely, though it was motivation to attend in-person. I think the value of AusNOG will keep it stream-free for a while yet. Some presentations are later uploaded in slide format, and where there's off-the-record topics within the slides they tend to say "ranting here" etc. Cheers, Luke Thompson Chief Technical Officer The Network Crew Pty Ltd https://thenetworkcrew.com.au On 2/8/2022 6:01 pm, Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote: > I'm just an academic (from Malta) whose research depends on and concerns > dissemination of information on telecoms networks and > reading that a presenter at a conference would ask ?"don't stream, > don't share slides" is puzzling and disconcerting ... > > Cheers, > > Etienne > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:53 AM Terry Manderson wrote: > > its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous > presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". > > i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff > that is recorded or streamed... > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person >> considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any >> time whether Video or Audio. >> >> NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for >> RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other >> military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed >> privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we?re >> way past the days of someone saying something in a room being >> private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why is Australia >> special?. >> >> *From:*AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Shaun Deans >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM >> *To:* Terry Manderson >> *Cc:* AusNOG Mailing List >> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >> >> All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. >> >> All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board >> have done. >> >> It's now up to the community to make choices. >> >> The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's >> advocate from my arm chair. >> >> I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and >> available form that works for everyone. >> >> Cheers >> >> Shaun Deans >> ???? kadeo.au >> 1800 WKD KDO >> ????? >> >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, wrote: >> >> Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? >> >> there are of course two other interesting components to this >> 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get >> to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and >> build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can >> help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you >> are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. >> >> my perspective, ymmv. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Terry >> >> -- >> >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >> >> >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Terry >> >> You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. >> >> Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's >> points true I was just saying - what if. >> >> > Past performance is not a indicator of future >> performance. /s >> >> > All advice is general in nature /s >> >> But in the interest of healthy community debate: >> >> Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' >> >> Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the >> participants only get 75% of the event. >> >> - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. >> >> For every pro there is a con. >> >> Innovation does not come without compromise. >> >> I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the >> e-swag that they receive. >> >> Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? >> >> Cheers >> >> Shaun Deans >> ???? kadeo.au >> 1800 WKD KDO >> ????? >> >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, >> wrote: >> >> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? >> >> - Whitey >> >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson >> wrote: >> >> Hi Shaun, >> >> are you aware that not all presentations can be >> streamed? Many presenters provide content that is >> "in room only" and even their slides can't be >> shared. How does that factor into you math? >> >> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there >> have been (and will be) many presentations you >> won't see on youtube. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Terry >> >> -- >> >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >> >> >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. >> >> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' /- Swag / >> >> --- >> >> 1. Income >> >> 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees >> at >> $600 per ticket (Average) >> >> >> 2. Total?$180K >> 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K >> >> 2. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? >> >> 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays >> equal but they probably don't >> 2. This will bias for the fact that it >> could be any tiering and we don't >> want to single out community members >> who may be sponsors >> 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K >> >> 1. nice round number >> 2. and its 'nearly half' >> >> 3. Streaming to to masses! >> >> 1. 50%??Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 >> 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 >> 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may >> break even* >> >> 1. 3 people said they'd be >> interested already. >> >> 4. This doesn't include: >> >> 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue >> hire, insurance, etc etc >> 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs? >> >> 5. /Past performance is not a indicator of >> future performance. /s/ >> 6. /All advice is general in nature? /s/ >> >> ????? >> >> SD. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans >> wrote: >> >> >?How about NOG focus on meaningful >> things like streaming the event for those >> who can?t attend >> >> I for one would pay up to 50% of the >> in-person price for a live stream. I have >> done just this for TedX. >> >> Would love to see the math on the income >> from 'the sponsor' and stack that against >> the income from copious live streams >> (minus in-person overheads). >> >> For an NOG we seem to be very offline ???? >> >> It not like we couldn't find some >> spare bandwidth for a live stream. >> >> Cheers >> >> Shaun Deans >> >> ????kadeo.au >> >> 1800 WKD KDO >> >> ????? >> >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl >> Kloppenborg, wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like >> you to respect the financial >> commitment I?ve made to gathering as >> much merch from my industry peers as >> I?d like. >> >> This has historically always taken >> place and given the small community >> nature of NOG, something many of us >> look forward to as part of the >> experience, we like swapping our >> merch with our friends. It saves postage. >> >> I would say this not only misses the >> mark but is a continued slap of the >> face to all those that pay good money >> to attend the event in hopes to meet >> with their industry peers but more >> importantly /friends./ >> >> // >> >> How about NOG focus on meaningful >> things like streaming the event for >> those who can?t attend, or providing >> a continued framework to making the >> event a safer place for all? >> >> Honestly. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> -- >> >> *Karl Kloppenborg, */(BCompSc, >> CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA >> Linux+ XK0-004)/ >> >> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >> >> *From: *AusNOG >> on behalf >> of david at hughes.id >> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List >> >> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional >> material at AusNOG Events. >> >> Afternoon all, >> >> We've been contacted by one of the >> sponsors of our conference in April >> about companies who aren't sponsors >> handing out promotional material, in >> particular branded t-shirts etc. >> While everyone likes getting a bag >> full of free merch, we ask that >> attendees respect the financial >> commitment that our sponsors make >> towards funding the conference. They >> cover almost half the cost and in >> return they get the right to promote >> themselves to all of you who attend. >> >> If you are not a sponsor please do >> not distribute swag to delegates at >> the conference. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David, on behalf of the Board >> ... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AusNOG mailing list >> >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > -- > Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale > Assistant Lecturer > Department of Communications & Computer Engineering > Faculty of Information & Communication Technology > University of Malta > Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nik at neko.id.au Tue Aug 2 18:31:43 2022 From: nik at neko.id.au (Nikolas Geyer) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:31:43 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BF3910B-EA9E-447F-B813-CC5B1F9888E4@neko.id.au> I?m confused at the insinuation it?s an ?all or nothing? approach. Other NOGs around the world operate a hybrid model successfully, whereby those who cannot have their presentations recorded or slides shared for don?t. Yes, some people attending remotely only will miss a small handful of sessions, but it?s only a small handful. If other NOGs can make the model work, why can?t AusNOG? I?m genuinely interested in understanding in what is so unique in this part of the world that makes it unapproachable. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2022, at 6:10 PM, Terry Manderson wrote: ? The guarantee for streams to not be replayed is limited. Many legal teams cannot approach that. It's as simple as that. I'd, personally, rather AusOG get the awesome presentations rather than the redacted ones.. YMMV. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:59 pm, Nathan Brookfield wrote: ? It?s very common for conferences for slides not to be published or the stream not to be replayed later but streaming is here and not going anywhere, if anything with the conference size constantly growing it would likely end up in MORE revenue as tickets often sell out and space becomes an issue so even more now than ever it would seem worthwhile. From: Terry Manderson Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:53 PM To: Nathan Brookfield Cc: Shaun Deans ; AusNOG Mailing List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is recorded or streamed... Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield > wrote: ? I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or Audio. NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we?re way past the days of someone saying something in a room being private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why is Australia special?. From: AusNOG > On Behalf Of Shaun Deans Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM To: Terry Manderson > Cc: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. It's now up to the community to make choices. The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from my arm chair. I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form that works for everyone. Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, > wrote: Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. my perspective, ymmv. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans > wrote: ? Terry You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was just saying - what if. > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > All advice is general in nature /s But in the interest of healthy community debate: Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get 75% of the event. - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. For every pro there is a con. Innovation does not come without compromise. I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they receive. Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? Cheers Shaun Deans ???? kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO ????? On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, > wrote: I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? - Whitey On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson > wrote: Hi Shaun, are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be shared. How does that factor into you math? That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) many presentations you won't see on youtube. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans > wrote: ? It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag --- 1. Income * August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) * Total $180K * Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K 1. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? * I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't * This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors * So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K * nice round number * and its 'nearly half' 1. Streaming to to masses! * 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 * Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 * That's only 50 tickets and it may break even * 3 people said they'd be interested already. 1. This doesn't include: * Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc * Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[?] 1. Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s 2. All advice is general in nature /s [?][????] SD. On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans > wrote: > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I have done just this for TedX. Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). For an NOG we seem to be very offline [????] It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream. Cheers Shaun Deans [????]kadeo.au 1800 WKD KDO [?][????] On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, > wrote: Hi David, At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d like you to respect the financial commitment I?ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as I?d like. This has historically always taken place and given the small community nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet with their industry peers but more importantly friends. How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those who can?t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a safer place for all? Honestly. Kind Regards, -- Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) Managing Director, Invention Labs. From: AusNOG > on behalf of david at hughes.id > Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm To: AusNOG Mailing List > Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Afternoon all, We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. Regards, David, on behalf of the Board ... _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ender at hostaway.net.au Tue Aug 2 18:38:49 2022 From: ender at hostaway.net.au (Ender) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:38:49 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <5BF3910B-EA9E-447F-B813-CC5B1F9888E4@neko.id.au> References: <5BF3910B-EA9E-447F-B813-CC5B1F9888E4@neko.id.au> Message-ID: <5c945d30-8721-25de-9c75-d934cf50084f@hostaway.net.au> I frequently attend other Australian tech conferences where most sessions are streamed or recorded, but certain talks have opted out - either due to the presenting speaker or their organisation. As an example I've seem a few interesting talks by DSD spooks which obvious were tightly controlled due to subject matter, whereas others opt-out simply because the presenter just preferred not to have live or recorded A/V for privacy or personal reasons. Those conferences and usergroup meetings seem to be able to deal perfectly well with this, often simply with a pair of checkboxs within their CFP submissions process. I think these all-or-nothing sort of objections seem to be somewhat specific to this particular NOG community, rather than the geographical region of Australia/APAC as a whole :) Cheers, ?Ender On 2/8/22 16:31, Nikolas Geyer wrote: > I?m confused at the insinuation it?s an ?all or nothing? approach. > Other NOGs around the world operate a hybrid model successfully, > whereby those who cannot have their presentations recorded or slides > shared for don?t. Yes, some people > attending remotely only will miss a small handful of sessions, but > it?s only a small handful. > > If other NOGs can make the model work, why can?t AusNOG? I?m genuinely > interested in understanding in what is so unique in this part of the > world that makes it unapproachable. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 2, 2022, at 6:10 PM, Terry Manderson wrote: >> >> ? The guarantee for streams to not be replayed is limited. Many legal >> teams cannot approach that. It's as simple as that. >> >> I'd, personally, rather AusOG get the awesome presentations rather >> than the redacted ones.. YMMV. >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:59 pm, Nathan Brookfield >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> It?s very common for conferences for slides not to be published or >>> the stream not to be replayed later but streaming is here and not >>> going anywhere, if anything with the conference size constantly >>> growing it would likely end up in MORE revenue as tickets often sell >>> out and space becomes an issue so even more now than ever it would >>> seem worthwhile. >>> >>> *From:*Terry Manderson >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:53 PM >>> *To:* Nathan Brookfield >>> *Cc:* Shaun Deans ; AusNOG Mailing List >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous >>> presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". >>> >>> i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that >>> is recorded or streamed... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> I?m not buying that this is the case because any single person >>> considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any >>> time whether Video or Audio. >>> >>> NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for >>> RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other >>> military industrial complex types talking and it was all >>> streamed privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the >>> stream, we?re way past the days of someone saying something in a >>> room being private and if the other NOG?s can do it then why is >>> Australia special?. >>> >>> *From:*AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Shaun Deans >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM >>> *To:* Terry Manderson >>> *Cc:* AusNOG Mailing List >>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. >>> >>> All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board >>> have done. >>> >>> It's now up to the community to make choices. >>> >>> The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's >>> advocate from my arm chair. >>> >>> I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and >>> available form that works for everyone. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> ???? kadeo.au >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> ????? >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, wrote: >>> >>> Heh ? .666 of a seat ... cute ? >>> >>> there are of course two other interesting components to this >>> 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get >>> to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and >>> build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you >>> can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and >>> you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to >>> anyone. >>> >>> my perspective, ymmv. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. >>> >>> Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's >>> points true I was just saying - what if. >>> >>> > Past performance is not a indicator of future >>> performance. /s >>> >>> > All advice is general in nature /s >>> >>> But in the interest of healthy community debate: >>> >>> Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' >>> >>> Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the >>> participants only get 75% of the event. >>> >>> - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. >>> >>> For every pro there is a con. >>> >>> Innovation does not come without compromise. >>> >>> I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the >>> e-swag that they receive. >>> >>> Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat ? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> ???? kadeo.au >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> ????? >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, >>> wrote: >>> >>> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? >>> >>> - Whitey >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Shaun, >>> >>> are you aware that not all presentations can be >>> streamed? Many presenters provide content that >>> is "in room only" and even their slides can't be >>> shared. How does that factor into you math? >>> >>> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there >>> have been (and will be) many presentations you >>> won't see on youtube. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. >>> >>> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' /- Swag / >>> >>> --- >>> >>> 1. Income >>> >>> 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees >>> at >>> $600 per ticket (Average) >>> >>> >>> 2. Total?$180K >>> 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' ? $90K >>> >>> 2. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? >>> >>> 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays >>> equal but they probably don't >>> 2. This will bias for the fact that it >>> could be any tiering and we don't >>> want to single out community members >>> who may be sponsors >>> 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K >>> >>> 1. nice round number >>> 2. and its 'nearly half' >>> >>> 3. Streaming to to masses! >>> >>> 1. 50%??Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 >>> 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 >>> 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may >>> break even* >>> >>> 1. 3 people said they'd be >>> interested already. >>> >>> 4. This doesn't include: >>> >>> 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue >>> hire, insurance, etc etc >>> 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming >>> Costs? >>> >>> 5. /Past performance is not a indicator of >>> future performance. /s/ >>> 6. /All advice is general in nature? /s/ >>> >>> ????? >>> >>> SD. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun >>> Deans wrote: >>> >>> >?How about NOG focus on meaningful >>> things like streaming the event for >>> those who can?t attend >>> >>> I for one would pay up to 50% of the >>> in-person price for a live stream. I >>> have done just this for TedX. >>> >>> Would love to see the math on the income >>> from 'the sponsor' and stack that >>> against the income from copious live >>> streams (minus in-person overheads). >>> >>> For an NOG we seem to be very offline ???? >>> >>> It not like we couldn't find some >>> spare bandwidth for a live stream. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> >>> ????kadeo.au >>> >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> >>> ????? >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl >>> Kloppenborg, wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I?d >>> like you to respect the financial >>> commitment I?ve made to gathering as >>> much merch from my industry peers as >>> I?d like. >>> >>> This has historically always taken >>> place and given the small community >>> nature of NOG, something many of us >>> look forward to as part of the >>> experience, we like swapping our >>> merch with our friends. It saves >>> postage. >>> >>> I would say this not only misses the >>> mark but is a continued slap of the >>> face to all those that pay good >>> money to attend the event in hopes >>> to meet with their industry peers >>> but more importantly /friends./ >>> >>> // >>> >>> How about NOG focus on meaningful >>> things like streaming the event for >>> those who can?t attend, or providing >>> a continued framework to making the >>> event a safer place for all? >>> >>> Honestly. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Karl Kloppenborg, */(BCompSc, >>> CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, >>> CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004)/ >>> >>> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >>> >>> *From: *AusNOG >>> on >>> behalf of david at hughes.id >>> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at >>> 2:21 pm >>> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List >>> >>> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional >>> material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> Afternoon all, >>> >>> We've been contacted by one of the >>> sponsors of our conference in April >>> about companies who aren't sponsors >>> handing out promotional material, in >>> particular branded t-shirts etc. >>> While everyone likes getting a bag >>> full of free merch, we ask that >>> attendees respect the financial >>> commitment that our sponsors make >>> towards funding the conference. They >>> cover almost half the cost and in >>> return they get the right to promote >>> themselves to all of you who attend. >>> >>> If you are not a sponsor please do >>> not distribute swag to delegates at >>> the conference. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> David, on behalf of the Board >>> ... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 5:45 pm Terry Manderson, wrote: > As i said, > > Ausnog is now a membership based CLG and true NFP (members are important) > versus a PTY LTD with a Board holding the fiscal responsibility the risk > and the outcome. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:42 pm, Shane Short wrote: > > ?If it?s always been a thing; what?s the catalyst for this sudden change > in rules? > > I?ve had to tell *massive* multinational companies that no? you can?t be > the only type of vendor at the event and no we won?t change our logo from > red because that?s your competitions?s colour. > > I?m confident that if this particular sponsor isn?t happy to play ball, > someone else will. > > -Shane > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:38 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: > > my opinion only.. > > David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage factory > as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I think it has always > been "a thing" ? > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short wrote: > > ?Hi Terry, > > Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I > understand where this is coming from? however there?s always a line of > reason. I am however concerned that this hasn?t been an issue for a very > long time now and it?s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little > warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation. > > Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a > sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what?s been an established behaviour > since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who?s more > understanding of the industry dynamic. > > -Shane > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: > > Hi Brendan, > > This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other > forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while > community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those > entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any of > the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be able to > share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be there". > > If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee > fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David as > a likely future sponsor. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: > > ? > Hi David, > > Very disappointed to hear this. > > Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to > sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big > names willing to take a sponsorship slot. > > It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about > an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. > > Regards, > Brendan > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: > >> Afternoon all, >> >> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >> particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full >> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >> our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half >> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of >> you who attend. >> >> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at >> the conference. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David, on behalf of the Board >> ... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat at ge3k.net Tue Aug 2 18:59:24 2022 From: pat at ge3k.net (Patrick Ohearn) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:59:24 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <27813555-CADB-4E54-B351-6A856CFFE7FF@terrym.net> References: <5B879A50-B64E-4783-AFDE-C7A92A5ABF17@short.id.au> <27813555-CADB-4E54-B351-6A856CFFE7FF@terrym.net> Message-ID: Hi Terry, Do you have more information on the new Ausnog structure, membership requirements etc; There doesn't appear to have been a single email to the list about the changes mentioned at the last AusNOG. The website also doesn't have any information about the new structure, and still lists yourself on the board. Regards, Patrick On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:45, Terry Manderson wrote: > As i said, > > Ausnog is now a membership based CLG and true NFP (members are important) > versus a PTY LTD with a Board holding the fiscal responsibility the risk > and the outcome. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:42 pm, Shane Short wrote: > > ?If it?s always been a thing; what?s the catalyst for this sudden change > in rules? > > I?ve had to tell *massive* multinational companies that no? you can?t be > the only type of vendor at the event and no we won?t change our logo from > red because that?s your competitions?s colour. > > I?m confident that if this particular sponsor isn?t happy to play ball, > someone else will. > > -Shane > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:38 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: > > my opinion only.. > > David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage factory > as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I think it has always > been "a thing" ? > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short wrote: > > ?Hi Terry, > > Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I > understand where this is coming from? however there?s always a line of > reason. I am however concerned that this hasn?t been an issue for a very > long time now and it?s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little > warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation. > > Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a > sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what?s been an established behaviour > since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who?s more > understanding of the industry dynamic. > > -Shane > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: > > Hi Brendan, > > This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other > forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while > community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those > entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any of > the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be able to > share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be there". > > If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee > fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David as > a likely future sponsor. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: > > ? > Hi David, > > Very disappointed to hear this. > > Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to > sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big > names willing to take a sponsorship slot. > > It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about > an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. > > Regards, > Brendan > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: > >> Afternoon all, >> >> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >> particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full >> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >> our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half >> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of >> you who attend. >> >> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at >> the conference. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David, on behalf of the Board >> ... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- 0406884900 pat at ge3k.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry at terrym.net Tue Aug 2 19:02:23 2022 From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 19:02:23 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19C30DA2-B709-48E5-A3E5-6F053F4CE911@terrym.net> Patrick, I stepped away from the Board of AusNOG this year. I am not in a position to say. However I do see an agenda item where David is to speak aboy "ausnog futures.. Some details were exposed at AusNOG in Sydney. Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 6:59 pm, Patrick Ohearn wrote: > > ? > Hi Terry, > > Do you have more information on the new Ausnog structure, membership requirements etc; > > There doesn't appear to have been a single email to the list about the changes mentioned at the last AusNOG. The website also doesn't have any information about the new structure, and still lists yourself on the board. > > Regards, > Patrick > >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:45, Terry Manderson wrote: >> As i said, >> >> Ausnog is now a membership based CLG and true NFP (members are important) versus a PTY LTD with a Board holding the fiscal responsibility the risk and the outcome. >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:42 pm, Shane Short wrote: >>>> >>> ?If it?s always been a thing; what?s the catalyst for this sudden change in rules? >>> >>> I?ve had to tell *massive* multinational companies that no? you can?t be the only type of vendor at the event and no we won?t change our logo from red because that?s your competitions?s colour. >>> >>> I?m confident that if this particular sponsor isn?t happy to play ball, someone else will. >>> >>> -Shane >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:38 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>> >>>> my opinion only.. >>>> >>>> David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage factory as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I think it has always been "a thing" ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Terry >>>> -- >>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>>> >>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ?Hi Terry, >>>>> >>>>> Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I understand where this is coming from? however there?s always a line of reason. I am however concerned that this hasn?t been an issue for a very long time now and it?s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation. >>>>> >>>>> Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what?s been an established behaviour since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who?s more understanding of the industry dynamic. >>>>> >>>>> -Shane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Brendan, >>>>>> >>>>>> This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any of the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be able to share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be there". >>>>>> >>>>>> If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David as a likely future sponsor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Terry >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Hi David, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very disappointed to hear this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Brendan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: >>>>>>>> Afternoon all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David, on behalf of the Board >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- > 0406884900 > pat at ge3k.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry at terrym.net Tue Aug 2 21:16:20 2022 From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 21:16:20 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: References: <5B879A50-B64E-4783-AFDE-C7A92A5ABF17@short.id.au> <27813555-CADB-4E54-B351-6A856CFFE7FF@terrym.net> Message-ID: <1ED261D1-DDA1-4A17-9FD2-2988F33A16D1@terrym.net> Hi Robert, "A company limited by guarantee with a constitution that protects members" Yes, I was involved in that part before resigning as a board member - 11+ years was really quite enough and good governance suggests I should!! (and I have a few other fish to fry ;) "with directors holding directors insurance?" That is up to the AusNOG Inc board to answer. Of course there are other governance questions that should also be considered. Many of those are about what membership entails and a member's responsibility and liability might be, and also the liability of the board. I don't mean to disparage that move at all, I think it's a good one! - clarity is needed non the less and I'm sure David will provide that. I can only give my "thumbs up" to the move from a AusNOG PTY LTD to a AusNOG Inc (CLG). Cheers Terry -- Terry Manderson, BComp MBA PhD MAICD > On 2 Aug 2022, at 6:46 pm, Robert Hudson wrote: > > A company limited by guarantee with a constitution that protects members, with directors holding directors insurance? > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 5:45 pm Terry Manderson, wrote: > As i said, > > Ausnog is now a membership based CLG and true NFP (members are important) versus a PTY LTD with a Board holding the fiscal responsibility the risk and the outcome. > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:42 pm, Shane Short wrote: >> >> ?If it?s always been a thing; what?s the catalyst for this sudden change in rules? >> >> I?ve had to tell *massive* multinational companies that no? you can?t be the only type of vendor at the event and no we won?t change our logo from red because that?s your competitions?s colour. >> >> I?m confident that if this particular sponsor isn?t happy to play ball, someone else will. >> >> -Shane >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:38 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>> >>> my opinion only.. >>> >>> David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage factory as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I think it has always been "a thing" ? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Terry >>> -- >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi Terry, >>>> >>>> Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I understand where this is coming from? however there?s always a line of reason. I am however concerned that this hasn?t been an issue for a very long time now and it?s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation. >>>> >>>> Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what?s been an established behaviour since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who?s more understanding of the industry dynamic. >>>> >>>> -Shane >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Brendan, >>>>> >>>>> This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any of the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be able to share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be there". >>>>> >>>>> If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David as a likely future sponsor. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Terry >>>>> -- >>>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Hi David, >>>>>> >>>>>> Very disappointed to hear this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. >>>>>> >>>>>> It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Brendan >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: >>>>>> Afternoon all, >>>>>> >>>>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> David, on behalf of the Board >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From matt at spectrum.com.au Wed Aug 3 09:25:45 2022 From: matt at spectrum.com.au (Matt Perkins) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:25:45 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <1ED261D1-DDA1-4A17-9FD2-2988F33A16D1@terrym.net> References: <5B879A50-B64E-4783-AFDE-C7A92A5ABF17@short.id.au> <27813555-CADB-4E54-B351-6A856CFFE7FF@terrym.net> <1ED261D1-DDA1-4A17-9FD2-2988F33A16D1@terrym.net> Message-ID: <01bf4f30-2b72-94f7-cb4e-36bc19c69a92@spectrum.com.au> Hi Tez, It would be handy if the current board updated the web site to reflect some of this stuff. According to it, your still a board member.? Obviously not your fault but for any of the new board members whomever they may be it would be nice to have accurate and updated info out there. Matt On 2/8/2022 9:16 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: > Hi Robert, > > "A company limited by guarantee with a constitution that protects members" > > Yes, I was involved in that part before resigning as a board member - 11+ years was really quite enough and good governance suggests I should!! (and I have a few other fish to fry ;) > > "with directors holding directors insurance?" That is up to the AusNOG Inc board to answer. > > Of course there are other governance questions that should also be considered. Many of those are about what membership entails and a member's responsibility and liability might be, and also the liability of the board. I don't mean to disparage that move at all, I think it's a good one! - clarity is needed non the less and I'm sure David will provide that. > > I can only give my "thumbs up" to the move from a AusNOG PTY LTD to a AusNOG Inc (CLG). > > Cheers > Terry > -- > Terry Manderson, BComp MBA PhD MAICD > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 6:46 pm, Robert Hudson wrote: >> >> A company limited by guarantee with a constitution that protects members, with directors holding directors insurance? >> >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 5:45 pm Terry Manderson, wrote: >> As i said, >> >> Ausnog is now a membership based CLG and true NFP (members are important) versus a PTY LTD with a Board holding the fiscal responsibility the risk and the outcome. >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:42 pm, Shane Short wrote: >>> >>> ?If it?s always been a thing; what?s the catalyst for this sudden change in rules? >>> >>> I?ve had to tell *massive* multinational companies that no? you can?t be the only type of vendor at the event and no we won?t change our logo from red because that?s your competitions?s colour. >>> >>> I?m confident that if this particular sponsor isn?t happy to play ball, someone else will. >>> >>> -Shane >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:38 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>> >>>> my opinion only.. >>>> >>>> David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage factory as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I think it has always been "a thing" ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Terry >>>> -- >>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hi Terry, >>>>> >>>>> Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I understand where this is coming from? however there?s always a line of reason. I am however concerned that this hasn?t been an issue for a very long time now and it?s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation. >>>>> >>>>> Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what?s been an established behaviour since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who?s more understanding of the industry dynamic. >>>>> >>>>> -Shane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Brendan, >>>>>> >>>>>> This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any of the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be able to share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be there". >>>>>> >>>>>> If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David as a likely future sponsor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Terry >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Hi David, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very disappointed to hear this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Brendan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: >>>>>>> Afternoon all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David, on behalf of the Board >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 */ From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Wed Aug 3 09:28:16 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 23:28:16 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <01bf4f30-2b72-94f7-cb4e-36bc19c69a92@spectrum.com.au> References: <5B879A50-B64E-4783-AFDE-C7A92A5ABF17@short.id.au> <27813555-CADB-4E54-B351-6A856CFFE7FF@terrym.net> <1ED261D1-DDA1-4A17-9FD2-2988F33A16D1@terrym.net> <01bf4f30-2b72-94f7-cb4e-36bc19c69a92@spectrum.com.au> Message-ID: I have to agree, I was told yesterday Joe Wooller was on the AUSNOG board but this isn't reflected on the website and it appears only people who were at the end of the conference in April actually know this too. I wonder who the other board members are apart from DH. -----Original Message----- From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Matt Perkins Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2022 9:26 AM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. Hi Tez, It would be handy if the current board updated the web site to reflect some of this stuff. According to it, your still a board member. Obviously not your fault but for any of the new board members whomever they may be it would be nice to have accurate and updated info out there. Matt On 2/8/2022 9:16 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: > Hi Robert, > > "A company limited by guarantee with a constitution that protects members" > > Yes, I was involved in that part before resigning as a board member - > 11+ years was really quite enough and good governance suggests I > should!! (and I have a few other fish to fry ;) > > "with directors holding directors insurance?" That is up to the AusNOG Inc board to answer. > > Of course there are other governance questions that should also be considered. Many of those are about what membership entails and a member's responsibility and liability might be, and also the liability of the board. I don't mean to disparage that move at all, I think it's a good one! - clarity is needed non the less and I'm sure David will provide that. > > I can only give my "thumbs up" to the move from a AusNOG PTY LTD to a AusNOG Inc (CLG). > > Cheers > Terry > -- > Terry Manderson, BComp MBA PhD MAICD > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 6:46 pm, Robert Hudson wrote: >> >> A company limited by guarantee with a constitution that protects members, with directors holding directors insurance? >> >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 5:45 pm Terry Manderson, wrote: >> As i said, >> >> Ausnog is now a membership based CLG and true NFP (members are important) versus a PTY LTD with a Board holding the fiscal responsibility the risk and the outcome. >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:42 pm, Shane Short wrote: >>> >>> ?If it?s always been a thing; what?s the catalyst for this sudden change in rules? >>> >>> I?ve had to tell *massive* multinational companies that no? you can?t be the only type of vendor at the event and no we won?t change our logo from red because that?s your competitions?s colour. >>> >>> I?m confident that if this particular sponsor isn?t happy to play ball, someone else will. >>> >>> -Shane >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:38 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>> >>>> my opinion only.. >>>> >>>> David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage >>>> factory as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I >>>> think it has always been "a thing" ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Terry >>>> -- >>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hi Terry, >>>>> >>>>> Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I understand where this is coming from? however there?s always a line of reason. I am however concerned that this hasn?t been an issue for a very long time now and it?s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation. >>>>> >>>>> Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what?s been an established behaviour since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who?s more understanding of the industry dynamic. >>>>> >>>>> -Shane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Brendan, >>>>>> >>>>>> This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any of the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be able to share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be there". >>>>>> >>>>>> If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David as a likely future sponsor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Terry >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Hi David, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very disappointed to hear this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking about an event built around an industry that functions more like a community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Brendan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM wrote: >>>>>>> Afternoon all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of you who attend. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the conference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David, on behalf of the Board >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>> AusNOG at ausnog.net >>>>>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 */ _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From david at hughes.id Wed Aug 3 12:47:23 2022 From: david at hughes.id (david at hughes.id) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:47:23 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. In-Reply-To: <01bf4f30-2b72-94f7-cb4e-36bc19c69a92@spectrum.com.au> References: <5B879A50-B64E-4783-AFDE-C7A92A5ABF17@short.id.au> <27813555-CADB-4E54-B351-6A856CFFE7FF@terrym.net> <1ED261D1-DDA1-4A17-9FD2-2988F33A16D1@terrym.net> <01bf4f30-2b72-94f7-cb4e-36bc19c69a92@spectrum.com.au> Message-ID: <2B69DD94-50C2-457B-B423-38E3F8E67CAC@hughes.id> Hi No, that's my fault not Terry's. I thought it had been updated in April when we announced the changes but it slipped through the cracks. That's been fixed now. Regards, David ... > On 3 Aug 2022, at 9:25 am, Matt Perkins wrote: > > Hi Tez, > > It would be handy if the current board updated the web site to reflect some of this stuff. According to it, your still a board member. Obviously not your fault but for any of the new board members whomever they may be it would be nice to have accurate and updated info out there. > > Matt > > From me at thomasjones.id.au Wed Aug 3 14:57:57 2022 From: me at thomasjones.id.au (Thomas Jones) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 04:57:57 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Onsite tech in Dandenong VIC Message-ID: Hi noggers, We have a client opening a new site in Dandenong South next month and will need to get someone to assist on-site (we're on the Gold Coast). If anyone is interested can you please reply off-list with your hourly rates etc. Work will involve racking a server, installing wireless APs, getting me access to a switch via remote access (likely via a laptop) and patching cables in, along with generic onsite PC installation and troubleshooting etc. Kind regards, Thomas Jones M: 0467 283 967 E: me at thomasjones.id.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phillip.grasso at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 20:32:51 2022 From: phillip.grasso at gmail.com (Phillip Grasso) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 20:32:51 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] RIP Vijay Gill Message-ID: Hi Folks, With a sadness Vijay Gill passed away today. He's an industry legend based in the US and one of the early uunet and nanog guys. Later he joined me in Google and many other largest companies in tech sector. He presented to one of the first ausnog sessions many years ago. 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Cheers Joe From bevan at slattery.net.au Fri Aug 5 14:06:01 2022 From: bevan at slattery.net.au (Bevan Slattery) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 04:06:01 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Latency Stats Singapore to Marseille Message-ID: Hi everyone, Wondering if people can help me look at latency for circuits between Singapore and Marseille and London Singapore -> Marseille (-> London optional) SMW3 SMW5 AAE1 BBG+ FLAG Upcoming systems (expected latency) IAX/IEX MIST+2Africa/Blue Raman Greatly appreciate the community?s help here. Cheers [b] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Florian Valette Date: Friday, 5 August 2022 at 2:10 pm To: Bevan Slattery Cc: ausnog Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Latency Stats Singapore to Marseille Hi, Here you can find the latency via SMW3 and SMW5 Singapore to Marseille: http://sgp.smokeping.ovh.net/smokeping?target=OVH.POP_EU.MAR And here to London: http://sgp.smokeping.ovh.net/smokeping?target=OVH.POP_EU.LDN Cheers, --- Florian Valette On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 2:06 PM Bevan Slattery > wrote: Hi everyone, Wondering if people can help me look at latency for circuits between Singapore and Marseille and London Singapore -> Marseille (-> London optional) SMW3 SMW5 AAE1 BBG+ FLAG Upcoming systems (expected latency) IAX/IEX MIST+2Africa/Blue Raman Greatly appreciate the community?s help here. Cheers [b] _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We thank Fernando and Vint for making themselves available and can't wait to hear them speak in Melbourne in a few weeks time. Regards, David ... From srowney at infinet.com.au Mon Aug 8 18:01:47 2022 From: srowney at infinet.com.au (Stephen Rowney) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 08:01:47 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Vocus baulkham Hills power issues ? References: <7e57b05d-60ab-4abe-a021-4828133988f6.fb0fda36-1e9b-429b-a5e0-f335f75a59df.cb7482f9-bb76-4ad3-b2e4-e63caebf8fc3@emailsignatures365.codetwo.com> Message-ID: Did anyone lose power today at this dc during the scheduled power maintenance window ? Thanks Stephen Rowney Director [https://infwww.s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/Infinet-Logo/inflogo+-+Resize+smaller.png] 501/845 Pacific Highway, Chatswood, NSW, 2067 T: 02 83244000 | M: +61 0405181833 srowney at infinet.com.au | www.infinet.com.au NOTICE / This message is confidential, and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. 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We are publishing these reports to network and security operations lists in order to ensure this information reaches operational contacts in these ASes. This report summarises tests conducted within aus. Inferred improvements during Jul 2022: none inferred Source Address Validation issues inferred during Jul 2022: ASN Name First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed 45671 AS45671-NET-AU 2020-08-18 2022-07-31 133326 RIN 2022-02-22 2022-07-18 Further information for these tests where we received spoofed packets is available at: https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus&no_block=1 Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-info at caida.org From shanti401 at glaptopsw.com Wed Aug 10 18:30:37 2022 From: shanti401 at glaptopsw.com (shanti401 at glaptopsw.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 03:30:37 -0500 Subject: [AusNOG] Servers Australia Message-ID: After reading the "down again" discussion on whirlpool and receiving a very concerning email from Servers Australia advising us to change passwords, we did some research and found someone selling the Servers Australia customer database on the dark web this is a very concerning situation. Change all your passwords on all your servers and make sure there are no rootkits installed. Not going to include any more info we found here but the list of items supposedly contained in the breach is really bad. We are very concerned. This email was sent using www.SendEmail.in Requires: No Login No Password. Just Send Email Sent on:Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:30:37 AM from computer IP Address:185.220.100.244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Wed Aug 10 18:38:39 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:38:39 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Servers Australia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FE4DB3A-D00F-4539-8363-65E599494DB8@iperium.com.au> Because you posted this email anonymously why? 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WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Iperium accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. On 10 Aug 2022, at 18:31, shanti401 at glaptopsw.com wrote: ?After reading the "down again" discussion on whirlpool and receiving a very concerning email from Servers Australia advising us to change passwords, we did some research and found someone selling the Servers Australia customer database on the dark web this is a very concerning situation. Change all your passwords on all your servers and make sure there are no rootkits installed. Not going to include any more info we found here but the list of items supposedly contained in the breach is really bad. We are very concerned. This email was sent using www.SendEmail.in Requires: No Login No Password. Just Send Email Sent on:Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:30:37 AM from computer IP Address:185.220.100.244 _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k at rl.ag Wed Aug 10 18:45:58 2022 From: k at rl.ag (Karl Kloppenborg) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:45:58 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Servers Australia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, I am not affiliated with this ?shanti? character, but I can say from a cybersec background that any person who takes to posting publicly this type of information from: 1. An anonymous email. 2. Doesn?t disclose that they?ve privately attempted to communicate with the company and when that communication was and in what form. 3. Has not provided relevant security agency and research department information. Has no business telling you about cyber security breaches. Treat this Shanti character as someone with zero honest intentions and the email as an attempt to bad mouth a company. With that said, I am not affiliated with SAU in any way, I am just simply stating facts from an industry I am active within. If it?s originated from who I think it has come from ? then they?re absolutely not respected or to be trusted. Contact SAU for information should you be concerned, take it from the horse?s mouth. Not this nefarious and frankly dumbfounded email. Kind Regards, -- Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ XK0-004) Managing Director, Invention Labs. From: AusNOG on behalf of shanti401 at glaptopsw.com Date: Wednesday, 10 August 2022 at 6:31 pm To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] Servers Australia After reading the "down again" discussion on whirlpool and receiving a very concerning email from Servers Australia advising us to change passwords, we did some research and found someone selling the Servers Australia customer database on the dark web this is a very concerning situation. Change all your passwords on all your servers and make sure there are no rootkits installed. Not going to include any more info we found here but the list of items supposedly contained in the breach is really bad. We are very concerned. This email was sent using www.SendEmail.in Requires: No Login No Password. Just Send Email Sent on:Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:30:37 AM from computer IP Address:185.220.100.244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Has not provided relevant security agency and research department > information. > > Has no business telling you about cyber security breaches. > > > > Treat this Shanti character as someone with zero honest intentions and the > email as an attempt to bad mouth a company. > > With that said, I am not affiliated with SAU in any way, I am just simply > stating facts from an industry I am active within. > > > > If it?s originated from who I think it has come from ? then they?re > absolutely not respected or to be trusted. > > > > Contact SAU for information should you be concerned, take it from the > horse?s mouth. Not this nefarious and frankly dumbfounded email. > > > > Kind Regards, > > -- > > *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA > Linux+ XK0-004)* > > Managing Director, Invention Labs. > > > > > > *From: *AusNOG on behalf of > shanti401 at glaptopsw.com > *Date: *Wednesday, 10 August 2022 at 6:31 pm > *To: *ausnog at ausnog.net > *Subject: *[AusNOG] Servers Australia > > After reading the "down again" discussion on whirlpool and receiving a > very concerning email from Servers Australia advising us to change > passwords, we did some research and found someone selling the Servers > Australia customer database on the dark web this is a very concerning > situation. Change all your passwords on all your servers and make sure > there are no rootkits installed. Not going to include any more info we > found here but the list of items supposedly contained in the breach is > really bad. We are very concerned. > > This email was sent using www.SendEmail.in Requires: No Login No > Password. Just Send Email > Sent on:Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:30:37 AM from computer IP > Address:185.220.100.244 > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au Thu Aug 11 20:39:52 2022 From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 10:39:52 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Vodafone and Optus Callflow Message-ID: Evening Cohort, Has anyone noticed or had reports of issues with reachability between the Optus and Vodafone voice networks and visa Versa? Nathan Brookfield -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AAPT sip trunks over the last 4 - 5 weeks On 11/8/2022 8:48 pm, Mark Smith wrote: > > > Are Vodafone depeering voice networks now too?! > > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022, 20:40 Nathan Brookfield, > wrote: > > Evening Cohort, > > Has anyone noticed or had reports of issues with reachability > between the Optus and Vodafone voice networks and visa Versa? > > *Nathan Brookfield * > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. Office 1300 133 299matt at spectrum.com.au ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 */ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CH Sent from my iPhone From jenn at jenn.id.au Sun Aug 14 15:05:40 2022 From: jenn at jenn.id.au (Jennifer Sims) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 15:05:40 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Delisting IPs from Microsoft 365 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sending Portal working fine from ABB. On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 3:04 PM Christopher Hawker wrote: > Hello All, > > I have a number of IPs that I?m attempting to have delisted from > Microsoft?s block lists. Unfortunately they are not responding to e-mails > sent to delist at messaging.microsoft.com and their https://sender.office.com > portal also doesn?t appear to be working properly. > > If there is anyone on-list who could assist with the delisting of a few IP > addresses, it would be much appreciated if you could please reach out > off-list. > > Thanks! > CH > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luke.t at tncrew.com.au Sun Aug 14 15:07:33 2022 From: luke.t at tncrew.com.au (Luke Thompson) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 15:07:33 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Delisting IPs from Microsoft 365 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1829ac00a08.283d.934dbec5914d2454830359510b9fa213@tncrew.com.au> There are different systems depending on which part of Microsoft you're emailing. Are you seeking delisting from their free or paid email platform? Cheers, Luke Thompson Chief Technical Officer The Network Crew Pty Ltd https://thenetworkcrew.com.au On 14 August 2022 3:04:42 pm Christopher Hawker wrote: > Hello All, > > I have a number of IPs that I?m attempting to have delisted from > Microsoft?s block lists. Unfortunately they are not responding to e-mails > sent to delist at messaging.microsoft.com and their https://sender.office.com > portal also doesn?t appear to be working properly. > > If there is anyone on-list who could assist with the delisting of a few IP > addresses, it would be much appreciated if you could please reach out off-list. > > Thanks! > CH > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At the moment, provided they're confirmed, emails to the list seem to be allowed? This should be hard-failing the SPF so with a setting tweak I'd hope this could be cracked down on. $ dig txt serversaustralia.com.au +short | grep "spf" "v=spf1 include:spf1.serversaustralia.com.au include:spf.mandrillapp.com include:amazonses.com include:et._spf.pardot.com exists:%{i}._spf.mta.salesforce.com include:_spf.google.com include:trustpilotservice.com -all" Received: from nnw088.aus.us.siteprotect.com ?(216-139-242-212.aus.us.siteprotect.com [216.139.242.212]) ?by fw.ausnog.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A209C273F7 ?for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2022 15:40:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail pickup service by nnw088.aus.us.siteprotect.com with ?Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Aug 2022 17:54:01 -0500 I haven't dug through all the permitted blocks, though would imagine this provider wouldn't be included given the "Just Send Email" style of website operating within their/customer SendEmail.in. OriginAS:?????? AS32400 Organization:?? Hostway Services, Inc. (HOSTW-6) Cheers, Luke Thompson Chief Technical Officer The Network Crew Pty Ltd https://thenetworkcrew.com.au On 14/8/2022 8:53 am, jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au wrote: > AusNOG 2.0 > > This email was sent using www.SendEmail.in Requires: No Login No > Password. Just Send Email > Sent on:Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:53:56 PM from computer IP > Address:185.220.101.147 > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at hughes.id Wed Aug 17 14:05:16 2022 From: david at hughes.id (david at hughes.id) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 14:05:16 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2022 is sold out Message-ID: <79CEB744-9216-4597-9782-1EBFAE55BC89@hughes.id> Thank you to everyone that's purchased tickets. AusNOG 2022 is now sold out. See you all in Melbourne in a couple of weeks. Regards, David ... From luke at iggleden.com Thu Aug 18 18:23:15 2022 From: luke at iggleden.com (Luke Iggleden) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:23:15 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2022 is sold out In-Reply-To: <79CEB744-9216-4597-9782-1EBFAE55BC89@hughes.id> References: <79CEB744-9216-4597-9782-1EBFAE55BC89@hughes.id> Message-ID: If anyone has a spare ticket please contact me off list! On 17/8/2022 2:05 pm, david at hughes.id wrote: > Thank you to everyone that's purchased tickets. AusNOG 2022 is now sold out. See you all in Melbourne in a couple of weeks. > > > Regards, > > David > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog From shane at 2000cn.com.au Fri Aug 19 21:08:39 2022 From: shane at 2000cn.com.au (Shane Chrisp) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:08:39 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] RS2BL080 Raid Controller / LSI2108 Message-ID: Hi all and sorry for the noise. I have a clients Server which has been brought in so we can image it and convert it to a VM, but as luck would have it, between shutting it down and it arriving here, the raid controller has completely died. So I am reaching out to everyone I can think of to see if anyone in Perth would happen to have a spare LSI2108 based 8 port raid controller that I could borrow or buy for a couple of days to get the data off of this server? -- Regards Shane Chrisp 2000 Computers & Networks Pty Ltd U8, 19 Outram St, West Perth, WA 6005 Ph 08 6298 7391 Fx 08 6298 7393 Mb 0412 409 856 Email shane at 2000cn.com.au Web http://www.2000cn.com.au From shane at 2000cn.com.au Fri Aug 19 22:19:03 2022 From: shane at 2000cn.com.au (Shane Chrisp) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:19:03 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] RS2BL080 Raid Controller / LSI2108 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 19/8/22 19:08, Shane Chrisp wrote: Thanks to everyone that responded, after rebooting the system, what feels like 1000 times, the card finally responded and has booted so I am getting an image now. Here is hoping that it survives long enough to get all the data off. -- Regards Shane Chrisp 2000 Computers & Networks Pty Ltd U8, 19 Outram St, West Perth, WA 6005 Ph 08 6298 7391 Fx 08 6298 7393 Mb 0412 409 856 Email shane at 2000cn.com.au Web http://www.2000cn.com.au > Hi all and sorry for the noise. I have a clients Server which has been > brought in so we can image it and convert it to a VM, but as luck > would have it, between shutting it down and it arriving here, the raid > controller has completely died. > > So I am reaching out to everyone I can think of to see if anyone in > Perth would happen to have a spare LSI2108 based 8 port raid > controller that I could borrow or buy for a couple of days to get the > data off of this server? > From matt at spectrum.com.au Fri Aug 19 22:21:42 2022 From: matt at spectrum.com.au (Matt Perkins) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:21:42 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] RS2BL080 Raid Controller / LSI2108 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4f621e7b-6ce9-b207-d4d4-580dc7e48c64@spectrum.com.au> May all your bits align and your parity be even. Matt On 19/8/2022 10:19 pm, Shane Chrisp wrote: > On 19/8/22 19:08, Shane Chrisp wrote: > > Thanks to everyone that responded, after rebooting the system, what > feels like 1000 times, the card finally responded and has booted so I > am getting an image now. Here is hoping that it survives long enough > to get all the data off. > > -- /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 */ From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 22:49:06 2022 From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:49:06 +0800 Subject: [AusNOG] RS2BL080 Raid Controller / LSI2108 In-Reply-To: <4f621e7b-6ce9-b207-d4d4-580dc7e48c64@spectrum.com.au> References: <4f621e7b-6ce9-b207-d4d4-580dc7e48c64@spectrum.com.au> Message-ID: No Dramas, If you need it, hit me up, In Perth On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:22 PM Matt Perkins wrote: > May all your bits align and your parity be even. > > Matt > > > On 19/8/2022 10:19 pm, Shane Chrisp wrote: > > On 19/8/22 19:08, Shane Chrisp wrote: > > > > Thanks to everyone that responded, after rebooting the system, what > > feels like 1000 times, the card finally responded and has booted so I > > am getting an image now. Here is hoping that it survives long enough > > to get all the data off. > > > > > -- > /* Matt Perkins > Direct 02 8916 8101 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. > Office 1300 133 299 matt at spectrum.com.au > ABN 66 090 112 913 Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 > */ > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xrobau at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 23:27:01 2022 From: xrobau at gmail.com (Rob Thomas) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:27:01 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] RS2BL080 Raid Controller / LSI2108 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It looks like there's someone new to whom I need to show my 'ZFS; Everything you never wanted to know, but now are going to be forced to find out' presentation. It's subtitled 'Hardware RAID: Why it hates you and wants to eat your data'. --Rob On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 22:19, Shane Chrisp wrote: > On 19/8/22 19:08, Shane Chrisp wrote: > > Thanks to everyone that responded, after rebooting the system, what > feels like 1000 times, the card finally responded and has booted so I am > getting an image now. Here is hoping that it survives long enough to get > all the data off. > > > -- > Regards > > Shane Chrisp > 2000 Computers & Networks Pty Ltd > U8, 19 Outram St, West Perth, WA 6005 > Ph 08 6298 7391 Fx 08 6298 7393 > Mb 0412 409 856 > Email shane at 2000cn.com.au > Web http://www.2000cn.com.au > > > > > Hi all and sorry for the noise. I have a clients Server which has been > > brought in so we can image it and convert it to a VM, but as luck > > would have it, between shutting it down and it arriving here, the raid > > controller has completely died. > > > > So I am reaching out to everyone I can think of to see if anyone in > > Perth would happen to have a spare LSI2108 based 8 port raid > > controller that I could borrow or buy for a couple of days to get the > > data off of this server? > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au Mon Aug 22 12:11:45 2022 From: philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au (Philip Loenneker) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 02:11:45 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] RS2BL080 Raid Controller / LSI2108 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +10 for ZFS, as long as you have ECC RAM. And you can?t understate the fact that building a ZFS pool takes seconds, not days. Importing a pool takes longer though. From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Rob Thomas Sent: Friday, 19 August 2022 11:27 PM To: shane at 2000cn.com.au Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] RS2BL080 Raid Controller / LSI2108 It looks like there's someone new to whom I need to show my 'ZFS; Everything you never wanted to know, but now are going to be forced to find out' presentation. It's subtitled 'Hardware RAID: Why it hates you and wants to eat your data'. --Rob On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 at 22:19, Shane Chrisp > wrote: On 19/8/22 19:08, Shane Chrisp wrote: Thanks to everyone that responded, after rebooting the system, what feels like 1000 times, the card finally responded and has booted so I am getting an image now. Here is hoping that it survives long enough to get all the data off. -- Regards Shane Chrisp 2000 Computers & Networks Pty Ltd U8, 19 Outram St, West Perth, WA 6005 Ph 08 6298 7391 Fx 08 6298 7393 Mb 0412 409 856 Email shane at 2000cn.com.au Web http://www.2000cn.com.au > Hi all and sorry for the noise. I have a clients Server which has been > brought in so we can image it and convert it to a VM, but as luck > would have it, between shutting it down and it arriving here, the raid > controller has completely died. > > So I am reaching out to everyone I can think of to see if anyone in > Perth would happen to have a spare LSI2108 based 8 port raid > controller that I could borrow or buy for a couple of days to get the > data off of this server? > _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We?ve got a possible project where we could be deploying 10s or 100s of these to remote sites as part of an overall solution, so want something reliable. Only planning to convert a single analogue device at each site. I was looking for a rugged ATA and it seems Patton has one but they are over $1000 each which is way too much ? I don?t necessarily think we need to go down a rugged route but don?t want to risk deploying something that ends up being problematic. Appreciate any suggestions. Replies off list would be great. Thanks! Rhys Hanrahan | Chief Information Officer e: rhys at nexusone.com.au [www.nexusone.com.au] [signature_1491459632] NEXUS ONE | FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS p: 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565 845 | a: Suite 12.03 Level 12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 www.nexusone.com.au | www.fusiontech.com.au The information in this email and any accompanying attachments may contain; a. Confidential information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; and or c. Copyright material Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd does not accept any responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use or distribution of this email. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13849 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rhys Hanrahan | Chief Information Officer e: rhys at nexusone.com.au [www.nexusone.com.au] [signature_1877518653] NEXUS ONE | FUSION TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS p: 1800 NEXUS1 (1800 639 871) or 1800 565 845 | a: Suite 12.03 Level 12, 227 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000 www.nexusone.com.au | www.fusiontech.com.au The information in this email and any accompanying attachments may contain; a. Confidential information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; b. Legally privileged information of Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties; and or c. Copyright material Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd or third parties. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Fusion Technology Solutions Pty Ltd, Nexus One Pty Ltd does not accept any responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use or distribution of this email. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Rhys Hanrahan Date: Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 3:21 pm To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" Subject: VOIP ATA Suggestions Hi Everyone, Just wondering if anyone knows of a VOIP ATA that they can recommend? We?ve got a possible project where we could be deploying 10s or 100s of these to remote sites as part of an overall solution, so want something reliable. Only planning to convert a single analogue device at each site. I was looking for a rugged ATA and it seems Patton has one but they are over $1000 each which is way too much ? I don?t necessarily think we need to go down a rugged route but don?t want to risk deploying something that ends up being problematic. Appreciate any suggestions. Replies off list would be great. Thanks! 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From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2022 10:16 AM To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Wholesale Number unreachable. [External Sender] Be cautious of any links or attachments within this email as it has come from an External Sender. Hey everyone, Has anyone had any issues calling the Telstra Wholesale Number this morning? Appears that all calls are disconnecting from multiple carriers. Regards Tomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 16235 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From jaybinks at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 11:14:03 2022 From: jaybinks at gmail.com (jay binks) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:14:03 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Wholesale Number unreachable. In-Reply-To: References: <0843163c-fb9b-4287-b5bf-64341d91b970@email.android.com> Message-ID: Yea there appears to be something up on the far end here. I can 100% replicate this from a Telstra mobile in Brisbane. But the signalling shows the call just ringing out. On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 10:29, Jeremy Chequer wrote: > Hi Tomas > > > > Via Symbio it is disconnecting after 1 ring and NetSIP is ringing out. > > > > I look forward to hearing back from you. > > > > Cheers > > > > Jeremy Chequer > > *Chief Operating Officer* > > *Resolver Group* > > > > > > *P: *1800 497 152 *| D:* 07 3819 0483 > > *E:* Jeremy at ResolverGroup.com.au > > *Resolver Group is a Division of Check Technology Group* > > > > *Please consider the environment before printing this email.* > > > > *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Tomas > *Sent:* Thursday, 25 August 2022 10:16 AM > *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net > *Subject:* [AusNOG] Telstra Wholesale Number unreachable. > > > > *[External Sender] Be cautious of any links or attachments within this > email as it has come from an External Sender.* > > Hey everyone, > > > > Has anyone had any issues calling the Telstra Wholesale Number this > morning? > > Appears that all calls are disconnecting from multiple carriers. > > > > Regards > > Tomas > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Sincerely Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you need assistance in the mean time, please engage the team through the operational mailboxes. Need to know more Please contact your Service Manager or Wholesale Help if you have any questions. From: AusNOG On Behalf Of jay binks Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2022 11:14 AM To: Jeremy Chequer Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Wholesale Number unreachable. Yea there appears to be something up on the far end here. I can 100% replicate this from a Telstra mobile in Brisbane. But the signalling shows the call just ringing out. On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 10:29, Jeremy Chequer > wrote: Hi Tomas Via Symbio it is disconnecting after 1 ring and NetSIP is ringing out. I look forward to hearing back from you. Cheers Jeremy Chequer Chief Operating Officer Resolver Group [cid:image001.png at 01D8B878.65883040] P: 1800 497 152 | D: 07 3819 0483 E: Jeremy at ResolverGroup.com.au Resolver Group is a Division of Check Technology Group Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: AusNOG > On Behalf Of Tomas Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2022 10:16 AM To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Wholesale Number unreachable. [External Sender] Be cautious of any links or attachments within this email as it has come from an External Sender. Hey everyone, Has anyone had any issues calling the Telstra Wholesale Number this morning? Appears that all calls are disconnecting from multiple carriers. Regards Tomas _______________________________________________ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG at ausnog.net https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- Sincerely Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Greg ________________________________ Greg Lipschitz | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au summitinternet.com.au 1300 049 749 Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131 Summit Internet From: AusNOG on behalf of Nick Edwards Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: [AusNOG] modern awards Hi, Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude) Anyone see this as a problem? 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(Think > shop assistant etc) > > Perhaps look at MA000021 > > Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include: > > - technical employees and technicians > > > https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary > > That seems more appropriate. > > Cheers > Greg > > Greg Lipschitz? | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet > *glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au* > *summitinternet.com.au* > *1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749> > *Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131* > > [image: Summit Internet] > ------------------------------ > *From:* AusNOG on behalf of Nick Edwards < > nick.z.edwards at gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM > *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net > *Subject:* [AusNOG] modern awards > > Hi, > Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied > they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but > it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely > would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from > FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> > > This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 > helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we > have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special > qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the > mill tech support dude) > > Anyone see this as a problem? > > OFF list replies welcome, since I think this might exceed the list > charter, to which I apologise for in advance. > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Think >> shop assistant etc) >> >> Perhaps look at MA000021 >> >> Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include: >> >> - technical employees and technicians >> >> >> https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary >> >> That seems more appropriate. >> >> Cheers >> Greg >> >> Greg Lipschitz? | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet >> *glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au* >> *summitinternet.com.au* >> *1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749> >> *Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131* >> >> [image: Summit Internet] >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* AusNOG on behalf of Nick Edwards < >> nick.z.edwards at gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM >> *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net >> *Subject:* [AusNOG] modern awards >> >> Hi, >> Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied >> they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but >> it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely >> would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from >> FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> >> >> This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 >> helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we >> have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special >> qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the >> mill tech support dude) >> >> Anyone see this as a problem? >> >> OFF list replies welcome, since I think this might exceed the list >> charter, to which I apologise for in advance. >> >> Ed >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG at ausnog.net >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IANAL, but B and D look close ?enough? for webhosting companies. The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers. And of course, read the NES at https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/awardmod/download/nes.pdf TCS From: AusNOG on behalf of Rob Thomas Date: Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am To: Greg Lipschitz Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx - summary is $21.94 to $27.75. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas > wrote: I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it! Thanks Greg and Nick. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz > wrote: Hi Nick I would have said that that is the wrong award as it?s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc) Perhaps look at MA000021 Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include: * technical employees and technicians https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary That seems more appropriate. Cheers Greg Greg Lipschitz? | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au summitinternet.com.au 1300 049 749 Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131 [X][cid:182dc450b1bacbdb971] [cid:182dc450b1ba293f5452] [Summit Internet] [cid:182dc450b1b3034fa364] ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nick Edwards > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net > Subject: [AusNOG] modern awards Hi, Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude) Anyone see this as a problem? 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Andrew Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: AusNOG on behalf of Terry Sweetser Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:48:11 AM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Hi NOGGERS, I suggest a quick look at: https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943 Applies (quoted): For the purposes of clause 4 telecommunications services industry means any business: (a) whose principal function is a telecommunications service carrier;or (b) whose principal function is a carriage service provider or a content service provider;or (c) whose principal function is the supply of telecommunications services including value added telecommunications services;or (d) whose principal function is incidental,ancillary or complementary to the businesses referred to in clauses 4.2(a),4.2(b) and 4.2(c);or (e) which supplies labour to a business in the telecommunications services industry on a labour hire basis in respect of any such labour hire employees while engaged in the performance of work for a business in the telecommunications services industry. IANAL, but B and D look close ?enough? for webhosting companies. The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers. And of course, read the NES at https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/awardmod/download/nes.pdf TCS From: AusNOG on behalf of Rob Thomas Date: Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am To: Greg Lipschitz Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx - summary is $21.94 to $27.75. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas > wrote: I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it! Thanks Greg and Nick. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz > wrote: Hi Nick I would have said that that is the wrong award as it?s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc) Perhaps look at MA000021 Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include: * technical employees and technicians https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary That seems more appropriate. Cheers Greg Greg Lipschitz? | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au summitinternet.com.au 1300 049 749 Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131 [X][cid:182dc450b1bacbdb971] [cid:182dc450b1ba293f5452] [Summit Internet] [cid:182dc450b1b3034fa364] ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nick Edwards > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net > Subject: [AusNOG] modern awards Hi, Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude) Anyone see this as a problem? 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Learn why this is important Hi NOGGERS, I suggest a quick look at: https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943 Applies (quoted): For the purposes of clause 4 telecommunications services industry means any business: (a) whose principal function is a telecommunications service carrier;or (b) whose principal function is a carriage service provider or a content service provider;or (c) whose principal function is the supply of telecommunications services including value added telecommunications services;or (d) whose principal function is incidental,ancillary or complementary to the businesses referred to in clauses 4.2(a),4.2(b) and 4.2(c);or (e) which supplies labour to a business in the telecommunications services industry on a labour hire basis in respect of any such labour hire employees while engaged in the performance of work for a business in the telecommunications services industry. IANAL, but B and D look close ?enough? for webhosting companies. The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers. And of course, read the NES at https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/awardmod/download/nes.pdf TCS From: AusNOG on behalf of Rob Thomas Date: Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am To: Greg Lipschitz Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx - summary is $21.94 to $27.75. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas > wrote: I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it! Thanks Greg and Nick. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz > wrote: Hi Nick I would have said that that is the wrong award as it?s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc) Perhaps look at MA000021 Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include: * technical employees and technicians https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary That seems more appropriate. Cheers Greg Greg Lipschitz? | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au summitinternet.com.au 1300 049 749 Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131 [cid:image001.png at 01D8BB7F.AE8BFC40] [cid:image002.png at 01D8BB7F.AE8BFC40] [Summit Internet] [cid:image004.png at 01D8BB7F.AE8BFC40] ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nick Edwards > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net > Subject: [AusNOG] modern awards Hi, Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude) Anyone see this as a problem? 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Name: image004.png Type: image/png Size: 3004 bytes Desc: image004.png URL: From terry at ionetworks.com.au Mon Aug 29 10:57:24 2022 From: terry at ionetworks.com.au (Terry Sweetser) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 00:57:24 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] modern awards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Philip, Alas, this is where you will find a big gap in the structure of awards in Australia: very few Network Engineers qualify for IEAust/EA membership. Have a look at the Professional Employees Award: Refer to: https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000065-summary (Copy Pasta) The Professional Award covers employers mainly engaged in the information technology, medical research, quality auditing or telecommunications services industries and their employees who fit within the classifications of the award. Employees are also covered if they perform professional engineering and scientific duties, unless another award with a more appropriate classification covers their employer. The information technology industry means: * designing and manufacturing computers, peripherals and software, and telecommunications equipment * installing, repairing and maintaining computer systems * computer consultancy services * computer programming * system analysis services * designing, developing and maintaining online internet architecture and facilitating online content management, or * work associated with any of the above. Who the Professional Award doesn?t cover The following employers and employees are not covered by the Professional Award: * information technology employees who don?t have formal academic qualifications or sufficient experience to be a Certified Professional of the Australian Computer Society * engineers who don?t have formal academic qualifications or sufficient experience to be a member of Engineers Australia * scientists who don?t have formal academic qualifications and don?t qualify for membership in one of their professional bodies * medical researchers who work for health services or higher education organisations as defined in the award * quality auditors who don?t satisfy the educational and experience requirements set out in the award * local government employees covered by another award * employees who mainly do clerical and administrative work. Terry Sweetser Senior Engineer [cid2887060853*image009.png at 01D86AAE.9FCCEA10] Shop 1, Level 1, 9 Sherwood Rd, Toowong, 4066 e. terry.sweetser at ionetworks.com.au m. 0447 069 725 p. 1300 124 816 w. http://www.ionetworks.com.au Experience and Knowledge, On-Call. From: AusNOG on behalf of Philip Loenneker Date: Monday, 29 August 2022 at 8:17 am To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Terry ? would you mind expanding on your comment that ?The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers?? Are you suggesting that there is a more suitable award for Network Engineers? From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Terry Sweetser Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 8:48 AM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Some people who received this message don't often get email from terry at ionetworks.com.au. Learn why this is important Hi NOGGERS, I suggest a quick look at: https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943 Applies (quoted): For the purposes of clause 4 telecommunications services industry means any business: (a) whose principal function is a telecommunications service carrier;or (b) whose principal function is a carriage service provider or a content service provider;or (c) whose principal function is the supply of telecommunications services including value added telecommunications services;or (d) whose principal function is incidental,ancillary or complementary to the businesses referred to in clauses 4.2(a),4.2(b) and 4.2(c);or (e) which supplies labour to a business in the telecommunications services industry on a labour hire basis in respect of any such labour hire employees while engaged in the performance of work for a business in the telecommunications services industry. IANAL, but B and D look close ?enough? for webhosting companies. The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers. And of course, read the NES at https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/awardmod/download/nes.pdf TCS From: AusNOG on behalf of Rob Thomas Date: Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am To: Greg Lipschitz Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx - summary is $21.94 to $27.75. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas > wrote: I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it! Thanks Greg and Nick. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz > wrote: Hi Nick I would have said that that is the wrong award as it?s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc) Perhaps look at MA000021 Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include: * technical employees and technicians https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary That seems more appropriate. Cheers Greg Greg Lipschitz? | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au summitinternet.com.au 1300 049 749 Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131 [cid:image001.png at 01D8BB7F.AE8BFC40] [cid:image002.png at 01D8BB7F.AE8BFC40] [Summit Internet] [cid:image004.png at 01D8BB7F.AE8BFC40] ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nick Edwards > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net > Subject: [AusNOG] modern awards Hi, Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude) Anyone see this as a problem? 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Soft perks like workplace culture and flexible working, even little things like parking, are going to be how you actually obtain (and retain) talented minds. - Michael On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:58 AM Terry Sweetser wrote: > Hi Philip, > > > > Alas, this is where you will find a big gap in the structure of awards in > Australia: very few Network Engineers qualify for IEAust/EA membership. > > > > Have a look at the Professional Employees Award: > > > > Refer to: > > > https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000065-summary > > > > (Copy Pasta) > > > > The Professional Award covers employers mainly engaged in the information > technology, medical research, quality auditing or telecommunications > services industries and their employees who fit within the classifications > of the award. > > Employees are also covered if they perform professional engineering and > scientific duties, unless another award with a more appropriate > classification covers their employer. > > The information technology industry means: > > - designing and manufacturing computers, peripherals and software, and > telecommunications equipment > - installing, repairing and maintaining computer systems > - computer consultancy services > - computer programming > - system analysis services > - *designing, developing and maintaining online internet architecture > and facilitating online content management, or* > - work associated with any of the above. > > > > > Who the Professional Award doesn?t cover > > The following employers and employees are not covered by the Professional > Award: > > - information technology employees who don?t have formal academic > qualifications or sufficient experience to be a Certified Professional of > the Australian Computer Society > - engineers who don?t have formal academic qualifications or > sufficient experience to be a member of Engineers Australia > - scientists who don?t have formal academic qualifications and don?t > qualify for membership in one of their professional bodies > - medical researchers who work for health services or higher education > organisations as defined in the award > - quality auditors who don?t satisfy the educational and experience > requirements set out in the award > - local government employees covered by another award > - employees who mainly do clerical and administrative work. > > > > > > > > Terry Sweetser > > > *Senior Engineer* > > > > *[image: cid2887060853*image009.png at 01D86AAE.9FCCEA10]* > > > *Shop 1, Level 1, 9 Sherwood Rd, Toowong, 4066* > > e. terry.sweetser at ionetworks.com.au > m. 0447 069 725 > p. 1300 124 816 > w. http://www.ionetworks.com.au > > > *Experience and Knowledge, On-Call.* > > > > > > *From: *AusNOG on behalf of Philip Loenneker < > philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au> > *Date: *Monday, 29 August 2022 at 8:17 am > *To: *ausnog at ausnog.net > *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] modern awards > > Terry ? would you mind expanding on your comment that ?The award does NOT > cover technologists and engineers?? Are you suggesting that there is a more > suitable award for Network Engineers? > > > > *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *Terry Sweetser > *Sent:* Saturday, 27 August 2022 8:48 AM > *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] modern awards > > > > Some people who received this message don't often get email from > terry at ionetworks.com.au. Learn why this is important > > > > > Hi NOGGERS, > > > > I suggest a quick look at: > https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943 > > > > Applies (quoted): > > > > For the purposes of clause 4 > * telecommunications > services industry* means any business: > > *(a)* whose principal function is a telecommunications service carrier;or > > *(b)* whose principal function is a carriage service provider or a > content service provider;or > > *(c)* whose principal function is the supply of telecommunications > services including value added telecommunications services;or > > *(d)* whose principal function is incidental,ancillary or complementary > to the businesses referred to in clauses 4.2(a) > ,4.2(b) > and 4.2(c) > ;or > > *(e)* which supplies labour to a business in the telecommunications > services industry on a labour hire basis in respect of any such labour hire > employees while engaged in the performance of work for a business in the > telecommunications services industry. > > IANAL, but B and D look close ?enough? for webhosting companies. The > award does NOT cover technologists and engineers. > > > > And of course, read the NES at > > https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/awardmod/download/nes.pdf > > > > > > TCS > > > > > > *From: *AusNOG on behalf of Rob Thomas < > xrobau at gmail.com> > *Date: *Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am > *To: *Greg Lipschitz > *Cc: *ausnog at ausnog.net > *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] modern awards > > Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is > https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx > - summary is $21.94 to $27.75. > > > > --Rob > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas wrote: > > I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees > here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it! > > > > Thanks Greg and Nick. > > > > --Rob > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz < > glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au> wrote: > > Hi Nick > > > > I would have said that that is the wrong award as it?s for Retail. (Think > shop assistant etc) > > > > Perhaps look at > MA000021 > > > > Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include: > > - technical employees and technicians > > > https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary > > > > That seems more appropriate. > > > > Cheers > > Greg > > > > *Greg Lipschitz**?* > > | > > *Founder & CEO* > > | > > *Summit Internet* > > *glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au* > > *summitinternet.com.au* > > *1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749> > > *Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131* > > > [image: Summit Internet] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AusNOG on behalf of Nick Edwards < > nick.z.edwards at gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM > *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net > *Subject:* [AusNOG] modern awards > > > > Hi, > > Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied > they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but > it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely > would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from > FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> > > This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 > helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we > have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special > qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the > mill tech support dude) > > > > Anyone see this as a problem? > > OFF list replies welcome, since I think this might exceed the list > charter, to which I apologise for in advance. > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Soft perks like workplace culture and flexible working, even little things like parking, are going to be how you actually obtain (and retain) talented minds. - Michael On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:58 AM Terry Sweetser > wrote: Hi Philip, Alas, this is where you will find a big gap in the structure of awards in Australia: very few Network Engineers qualify for IEAust/EA membership. Have a look at the Professional Employees Award: Refer to: https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000065-summary (Copy Pasta) The Professional Award covers employers mainly engaged in the information technology, medical research, quality auditing or telecommunications services industries and their employees who fit within the classifications of the award. Employees are also covered if they perform professional engineering and scientific duties, unless another award with a more appropriate classification covers their employer. The information technology industry means: * designing and manufacturing computers, peripherals and software, and telecommunications equipment * installing, repairing and maintaining computer systems * computer consultancy services * computer programming * system analysis services * designing, developing and maintaining online internet architecture and facilitating online content management, or * work associated with any of the above. Who the Professional Award doesn?t cover The following employers and employees are not covered by the Professional Award: * information technology employees who don?t have formal academic qualifications or sufficient experience to be a Certified Professional of the Australian Computer Society * engineers who don?t have formal academic qualifications or sufficient experience to be a member of Engineers Australia * scientists who don?t have formal academic qualifications and don?t qualify for membership in one of their professional bodies * medical researchers who work for health services or higher education organisations as defined in the award * quality auditors who don?t satisfy the educational and experience requirements set out in the award * local government employees covered by another award * employees who mainly do clerical and administrative work. Terry Sweetser Senior Engineer [cid2887060853*image009.png at 01D86AAE.9FCCEA10] Shop 1, Level 1, 9 Sherwood Rd, Toowong, 4066 e. terry.sweetser at ionetworks.com.au m. 0447 069 725 p. 1300 124 816 w. http://www.ionetworks.com.au Experience and Knowledge, On-Call. From: AusNOG > on behalf of Philip Loenneker > Date: Monday, 29 August 2022 at 8:17 am To: ausnog at ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Terry ? would you mind expanding on your comment that ?The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers?? Are you suggesting that there is a more suitable award for Network Engineers? From: AusNOG > On Behalf Of Terry Sweetser Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2022 8:48 AM To: ausnog at ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Some people who received this message don't often get email from terry at ionetworks.com.au. Learn why this is important Hi NOGGERS, I suggest a quick look at: https://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000041#P1634_133943 Applies (quoted): For the purposes of clause 4 telecommunications services industry means any business: (a) whose principal function is a telecommunications service carrier;or (b) whose principal function is a carriage service provider or a content service provider;or (c) whose principal function is the supply of telecommunications services including value added telecommunications services;or (d) whose principal function is incidental,ancillary or complementary to the businesses referred to in clauses 4.2(a),4.2(b) and 4.2(c);or (e) which supplies labour to a business in the telecommunications services industry on a labour hire basis in respect of any such labour hire employees while engaged in the performance of work for a business in the telecommunications services industry. IANAL, but B and D look close ?enough? for webhosting companies. The award does NOT cover technologists and engineers. And of course, read the NES at https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/awardmod/download/nes.pdf TCS From: AusNOG > on behalf of Rob Thomas > Date: Saturday, 27 August 2022 at 8:33 am To: Greg Lipschitz > Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] modern awards Oh, and the link to download the actual PDF is https://portal.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/business-equipment-award-ma000021-pay-guide.pdf.aspx - summary is $21.94 to $27.75. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:30, Rob Thomas > wrote: I feel it's 100% on topic, and whilst I don't have any award employees here in au, EXTREMELY useful to know the right one to use when we need it! Thanks Greg and Nick. --Rob On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Greg Lipschitz > wrote: Hi Nick I would have said that that is the wrong award as it?s for Retail. (Think shop assistant etc) Perhaps look at MA000021 Examples of employees covered by the Business Equipment Award include: * technical employees and technicians https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/awards/awards-summary/ma000021-summary That seems more appropriate. Cheers Greg Greg Lipschitz? | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au summitinternet.com.au 1300 049 749 Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131 [cid:image002.png at 01D8BB9D.244634B0] [cid:image003.png at 01D8BB9D.244634B0] [Summit Internet] [cid:image005.png at 01D8BB9D.244634B0] ________________________________ From: AusNOG > on behalf of Nick Edwards > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 10:05:01 PM To: ausnog at ausnog.net > Subject: [AusNOG] modern awards Hi, Just been asked to ensure staff are paid at correct rates, I am satisfied they are, however one guy has questioned it, he's not making a fuss, but it's got me thinking, so I thought I'd ask the community here who surely would know, before I go contacting and waiting 3 months for a reply from FWA - before this dude just make a fuss :now we have a union run govt -> This is a webhosting company, only 6 employees, the guy is one of 3 helpdesk tech support CSR's, he questions he is in the correct award, we have him under MA000041 and cust contact level 1 (he has no special qualifications and doesnt have server level access, your typical run of the mill tech support dude) Anyone see this as a problem? 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URL: From pat at ge3k.net Mon Aug 29 16:05:35 2022 From: pat at ge3k.net (Patrick Ohearn) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:05:35 +1000 Subject: [AusNOG] Packet Loss between AS2764 and AS63956 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Christopher, Have the 5GN/WCG support team or the AAPT support team given you any further insight? I am not sure what the third parties on the list will be able to help with, without at least a traceroute or some further source/destination details to debug alternative paths. Regards, Patrick. On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 at 15:53, Christopher Hawker wrote: > Hello All, > > Has anyone seen or experiencing packet loss issues between AAPT and > ColoAU/5GN in Sydney? We've got tunnels going up and down that's causing > some bad juju. MTRs are telling that it's the link between ColoAU and AAPT > in SY4. > > Thanks, > CH > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- 0406884900 pat at ge3k.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad at bradleyamm.com Tue Aug 30 11:25:59 2022 From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 01:25:59 +0000 Subject: [AusNOG] Support For Kuala Lumpar Office Message-ID: <1661822738778.48498@bradleyamm.com> Hey Guys ? Does anyone here have any good contacts for a company that can do the usual IT Support, Hardware Purchasing etc in kuala lumpur?? 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On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 14:51, Adam O'Reilly wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone want to buy an Ausnog ticket? > > One of our team members tested positive for covid and can't come. > > Thanks > Adam O'Reill > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG at ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adam at oreilly.bz Tue Aug 30 15:38:31 2022 From: adam at oreilly.bz (Adam O'Reilly) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:08:31 +0930 Subject: [AusNOG] Ausnog Ticket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the responses, the ticket was quickly claimed. On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:21 PM Adam O'Reilly wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone want to buy an Ausnog ticket? > > One of our team members tested positive for covid and can't come. > > Thanks > Adam O'Reill > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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