From chris+ausnog at legg.net.au  Fri Apr  1 20:16:50 2022
From: chris+ausnog at legg.net.au (Chris Legg)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 17:16:50 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Help needed in Fremantle: Troubleshoot wireless link
Message-ID: <53d7c1e8-7ebf-f3dc-8277-235827adad73@legg.net.au>

Hi folks

A client is looking for someone to troubleshoot a very short distance 
wireless link on a residential property in East Fremantle WA.
At the moment I don't have capacity to go onsite but would like to be 
able to refer them to someone experienced.

If anyone is able to assist please contact me off list and I'll put you 
in touch directly with the client.

thanks
Chris


From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 20:20:28 2022
From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 17:20:28 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Help needed in Fremantle: Troubleshoot wireless link
In-Reply-To: <53d7c1e8-7ebf-f3dc-8277-235827adad73@legg.net.au>
References: <53d7c1e8-7ebf-f3dc-8277-235827adad73@legg.net.au>
Message-ID: <CAKZcER6i95P1mmPnZ=a-dDpL=6dH6Yrqgj0Jyw0XjdvnkPSKJw@mail.gmail.com>

Happy to help

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 5:17 PM Chris Legg <chris+ausnog at legg.net.au> wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> A client is looking for someone to troubleshoot a very short distance
> wireless link on a residential property in East Fremantle WA.
> At the moment I don't have capacity to go onsite but would like to be
> able to refer them to someone experienced.
>
> If anyone is able to assist please contact me off list and I'll put you
> in touch directly with the client.
>
> thanks
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
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From chris at thesysadmin.dev  Fri Apr  1 21:30:15 2022
From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 10:30:15 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] OOB Transit in 5GN SDC Pyrmont
Message-ID: <SYBP282MB0538E325D91EAEA76BA24600AFE09@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello All,

If anyone on-list has transit in 5GN SDC Pyrmont that does not route via AS63956, could you please reach out to me off-list?

Thanks,
CH
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From ausnog at libertysys.com.au  Sat Apr  2 10:15:38 2022
From: ausnog at libertysys.com.au (Paul Gear)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 09:15:38 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] IPv6 between Internode and Amazon
In-Reply-To: <CAAtZb4qo-mnZcs8BdKLJ0zGOHt7of0SEXBfm_fAS30rwChW0=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fecdb39-2825-8323-cfb8-50f174996fb7@libertysys.com.au>
 <CAC5zRjMjgFgFJ_8KY3Ym4K1t+9QawvNVQjszkwenys8J8qFN0A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAtZb4qo-mnZcs8BdKLJ0zGOHt7of0SEXBfm_fAS30rwChW0=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c0ced404-bf07-7b42-1b26-ed5700d12090@libertysys.com.au>

Hi all,

I just want to say thanks to Andras and Jocelyn from Amazon for reaching 
out directly and following through until this issue was fixed.  Much 
appreciated.

Regards,
Paul

On 30/3/22 11:06, Andras Toth wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Amazon (AS16509) here, I've checked and we're accepting?2407:8800::/32 
> and other more specific routes from the same range from AS7545 directly 
> and they are the best path.
> 
> Can someone please clarify what's the issue, and source and destination 
> IPs that you seem to have issues with? A full traceroute would be 
> beneficial too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Andras
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 11:41 AM Rob Thomas <xrobau at gmail.com 
> <mailto:xrobau at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I had a quick chat with Paul, and it looks like either Amazon are not
>     accepting AS7545's (TPG) announcements of 2407:8800::/32, or TPG isn't
>     sending it to them.
> 
>      ? ?2.|-- 2407:8800:bf00:174:aec:f5ff:fe27:f292? 0.0%? ? 10 7.5? 10.0
>     7.5? 17.2? ?3.0
>      ? ?3.|-- 2407:8800:a000:2000::5d5? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?0.0%? ? 10 19.0
>     24.819.0? 33.6? ?4.2
>      ? ?4.|-- 2407:8800:bf00:7a:7ef8:80ff:feca:5cdb? 0.0%? ? 10 18.8
>     19.418.8? 20.4? ?0.5
>      ? ?5.|-- ???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?100.0? ? 10 0.0? ?0.0
>     0.0? ?0.0? ?0.0
> 
>     Hop 5 should be AS15169 you would assume.? I can get there perfectly
>     happily via 1221, so it feels like a TPG issue to me!
> 
>     --Rob
> 
> 
>     On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 09:48, Paul Gear <ausnog at libertysys.com.au
>     <mailto:ausnog at libertysys.com.au>> wrote:
>      >
>      > Hi all,
>      >
>      > Does anyone know anything about the situation with broken IPv6
>     routing
>      > between Internode and Amazon?? It has been ongoing for over a
>     week, and
>      > I've had no luck going through the front door of business support
>     to get
>      > answers.
>      >
>      > Thanks,
>      > Paul

From rendrag at rendrag.net  Mon Apr  4 13:47:02 2022
From: rendrag at rendrag.net (Damien Gardner Jnr)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 13:47:02 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] ACMA License renewals and Spam Complaints system - massive
 issue to be aware of.
Message-ID: <CAPrfDLU8sbgv4hjmjeoth1zu_KxMCke9cUiQq_QHUaztG5V=dA@mail.gmail.com>

Thought this one was a large enough issue that I should post to the list.

A coworker called me last night to ask why I'd let one of my Callsigns
expire.  A quick search of my mailbox showed that indeed, I was missing the
3-month-before reminder, the 1-month-before invoice, and the week-after
'hey this just expired' emails.

I called them this morning to find out what on earth happened, and the very
helpful fellow looked through their CRM for me, and said 'oh, you updated
it from rendrag at rendrag.net to <redacted>@pinegap.net in June last year'.
Cue a couple of minutes of absolute confusion from me, until I started
running through how they could even have possibly had THAT particular
email, which hadn't been used for seven years until last year when the
company it was used with had a breach (or sold customer details, they are
heavily denying both) - and then realised that before I redirected that
address to /dev/null on the mailserver, I lodged a spam complaint through
the ACMA site.

After discussing THAT with the fellow a bit, it turns out that the ACMA
maintains a CRM for all clients - which includes all spam complaints via
their website.  AND they cannot hold more than one email address for each
client.  SO - if you go to their spam reporting form, and report a spam
email, and provide your name and mobile number, that will get matched to
your existing client record, and they will UPDATE your email address to
match the one you just reported spam on...

Personally, I'll never be reporting spam via the ACMA again, because that
was almost disastrous. It was VERY close to the 60 days limit after
expiry.  Given how many folks in here hold other forms of licenses and
permits through the ACMA, I thought it was worth highlighting this stupidly
dangerous process. (I've now added Calendar Reminders for each of my
licenses, so that I can chase them up if they don't arrive - since
basically anyone can punch in any ACMA client's name and phone number into
a spam complaint, and trigger a change of their email address in the CRM...)

--DG

-- 

Damien Gardner Jnr
VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
rendrag at rendrag.net -  http://www.rendrag.net/
--
We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
 We ran to the sounds of thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
 and tore the world asunder
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From troy at troykelly.com  Mon Apr  4 14:04:03 2022
From: troy at troykelly.com (Troy)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:04:03 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ACMA License renewals and Spam Complaints system -
	massive issue to be aware of.
In-Reply-To: <CAPrfDLU8sbgv4hjmjeoth1zu_KxMCke9cUiQq_QHUaztG5V=dA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPrfDLU8sbgv4hjmjeoth1zu_KxMCke9cUiQq_QHUaztG5V=dA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d_mEPadUDZEAvHLHWC_1PZT3MH-3PviJZRcvVbRTpFyOpdk_fH63gNmM-lJyete4EfK1SA1LHcnk-IliEjA7QX09vu2XYuQ7qXQgWYkuhws=@troykelly.com>

This is terrifying...

Did they tell you what they were matching on? Just your name?

I can't see how they are doing any CRM matching to update - there's a lot of people with the same name.




**Regards, Troy**

Brevity is the elixir of life.


Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020






\-------- Original Message --------
On 4 Apr 2022, 1:47 pm, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag at rendrag.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> Thought this one was a large enough issue that I should post to the list.
>
>
>
>
> A coworker called me last night to ask why I'd let one of my Callsigns expire. A quick search of my mailbox showed that indeed, I was missing the 3-month-before reminder, the 1-month-before invoice, and the week-after 'hey this just expired' emails.
>
>
>
>
> I called them this morning to find out what on earth happened, and the very helpful fellow looked through their CRM for me, and said 'oh, you updated it from [rendrag at rendrag.net][rendrag_rendrag.net] to <redacted>@[pinegap.net][] in June last year'. Cue a couple of minutes of absolute confusion from me, until I started running through how they could even have possibly had THAT particular email, which hadn't been used for seven years until last year when the company it was used with had a breach (or sold customer details, they are heavily denying both) - and then realised that before I redirected that address to /dev/null on the mailserver, I lodged a spam complaint through the ACMA site.
>
>
>
>
> After discussing THAT with the fellow a bit, it turns out that the ACMA maintains a CRM for all clients - which includes all spam complaints via their website. AND they cannot hold more than one email address for each client. SO - if you go to their spam reporting form, and report a spam email, and provide your name and mobile number, that will get matched to your existing client record, and they will UPDATE your email address to match the one you just reported spam on...
>
>
>
>
> Personally, I'll never be reporting spam via the ACMA again, because that was almost disastrous. It was VERY close to the 60 days limit after expiry. Given how many folks in here hold other forms of licenses and permits through the ACMA, I thought it was worth highlighting this stupidly dangerous process. (I've now added Calendar Reminders for each of my licenses, so that I can chase them up if they don't arrive - since basically anyone can punch in any ACMA client's name and phone number into a spam complaint, and trigger a change of their email address in the CRM...)
>
>
>
>
>
> \--DG
>
>
>
>
> \--
>
>
> Damien Gardner Jnr
> VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
> [rendrag at rendrag.net][rendrag_rendrag.net] \- http://www.rendrag.net/
> \--
> We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
> We ran to the sounds of thunder.
> We danced among the lightning bolts,
> and tore the world asunder


[rendrag_rendrag.net]: mailto:rendrag at rendrag.net
[pinegap.net]: http://pinegap.net
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From rendrag at rendrag.net  Mon Apr  4 14:33:10 2022
From: rendrag at rendrag.net (Damien Gardner Jnr)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 14:33:10 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] ACMA License renewals and Spam Complaints system -
 massive issue to be aware of.
In-Reply-To: <d_mEPadUDZEAvHLHWC_1PZT3MH-3PviJZRcvVbRTpFyOpdk_fH63gNmM-lJyete4EfK1SA1LHcnk-IliEjA7QX09vu2XYuQ7qXQgWYkuhws=@troykelly.com>
References: <CAPrfDLU8sbgv4hjmjeoth1zu_KxMCke9cUiQq_QHUaztG5V=dA@mail.gmail.com>
 <d_mEPadUDZEAvHLHWC_1PZT3MH-3PviJZRcvVbRTpFyOpdk_fH63gNmM-lJyete4EfK1SA1LHcnk-IliEjA7QX09vu2XYuQ7qXQgWYkuhws=@troykelly.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrfDLVi5D4qhP1_kPpq=i2vQcoORS9zGJowpyuHRPo-74i1ow@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I was blown away. Once I got off the phone, I just sat there for a
couple of minutes contemplating the havoc that could be caused.. :(   I
guess the main saving grace is that the ACMA doesn't have any portals that
you can login to (that I've seen over the years at least..), so being able
to arbitrarily change someone's email address is at worst going to stop
them renewing a license?

The fellow I spoke to said he wasn't 100% sure how the spam reporting
system worked, as he couldn't see spam complaints in the CRM, but he could
see the date the email address was updated, and that lined up with when I
made the spam complaint.  When I made the complaint, the only details they
needed was name, email address the spam was received on, and a contact
number if I wanted to provide it.

--DG

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 at 14:04, Troy <troy at troykelly.com> wrote:

> This is terrifying...
>
> Did they tell you what they were matching on? Just your name?
>
> I can't see how they are doing any CRM matching to update - there's a lot
> of people with the same name.
>
>
> *Regards, Troy*
> Brevity is the elixir of life.
> Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 4 Apr 2022, 1:47 pm, Damien Gardner Jnr < rendrag at rendrag.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thought this one was a large enough issue that I should post to the list.
>
> A coworker called me last night to ask why I'd let one of my Callsigns
> expire.  A quick search of my mailbox showed that indeed, I was missing the
> 3-month-before reminder, the 1-month-before invoice, and the week-after
> 'hey this just expired' emails.
>
> I called them this morning to find out what on earth happened, and the
> very helpful fellow looked through their CRM for me, and said 'oh, you
> updated it from rendrag at rendrag.net to <redacted>@pinegap.net in June
> last year'.  Cue a couple of minutes of absolute confusion from me, until I
> started running through how they could even have possibly had THAT
> particular email, which hadn't been used for seven years until last year
> when the company it was used with had a breach (or sold customer details,
> they are heavily denying both) - and then realised that before I redirected
> that address to /dev/null on the mailserver, I lodged a spam complaint
> through the ACMA site.
>
> After discussing THAT with the fellow a bit, it turns out that the ACMA
> maintains a CRM for all clients - which includes all spam complaints via
> their website.  AND they cannot hold more than one email address for each
> client.  SO - if you go to their spam reporting form, and report a spam
> email, and provide your name and mobile number, that will get matched to
> your existing client record, and they will UPDATE your email address to
> match the one you just reported spam on...
>
> Personally, I'll never be reporting spam via the ACMA again, because that
> was almost disastrous. It was VERY close to the 60 days limit after
> expiry.  Given how many folks in here hold other forms of licenses and
> permits through the ACMA, I thought it was worth highlighting this stupidly
> dangerous process. (I've now added Calendar Reminders for each of my
> licenses, so that I can chase them up if they don't arrive - since
> basically anyone can punch in any ACMA client's name and phone number into
> a spam complaint, and trigger a change of their email address in the CRM...)
>
> --DG
>
> --
>
> Damien Gardner Jnr
> VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
> rendrag at rendrag.net -  http://www.rendrag.net/
> --
> We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
>  We ran to the sounds of thunder.
> We danced among the lightning bolts,
>  and tore the world asunder
>
>

-- 

Damien Gardner Jnr
VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust
rendrag at rendrag.net -  http://www.rendrag.net/
--
We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
 We ran to the sounds of thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
 and tore the world asunder
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From contact at florianvalette.com  Mon Apr  4 19:16:53 2022
From: contact at florianvalette.com (Florian Valette)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 19:16:53 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] 1 entry available for Ausnog 2022
Message-ID: <CAF3M+kt05zngwuWqx6Kw1o-JGrT_T2JSoBME7zmcvU7JMAYtxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Due to COVID, sadly I need to isolate so I won't go to Ausnog 2022. If
anyone wants to buy my entry ($625), feel free to contact me in private?
David is happy to change the delegate details.

Thanks,

---
Flo
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Tue Apr  5 09:17:56 2022
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 23:17:56 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
Message-ID: <1649114272637.4829@bradleyamm.com>

Optus outage wreaks havoc for thousands of users | news.com.au - Australia's leading news site<https://www.news.com.au/technology/optus-reporting-major-outage-across-its-network-affecting-thousands-of-mobile-customers/news-story/510248806eb850b1522cc5064abbb6a7>?

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From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 09:39:34 2022
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 09:39:34 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
In-Reply-To: <1649114272637.4829@bradleyamm.com>
References: <1649114272637.4829@bradleyamm.com>
Message-ID: <CAMpV8Mq9sbT+bg9MLAbBr8j75dej0aM7Qa8z=DMzmknZ=tG7hg@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting.

Sure not affecting my mobile (Sydney) and (thankfully!) not my
internet transit via them (this time)

D

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 09:19, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>
> Optus outage wreaks havoc for thousands of users | news.com.au ? Australia?s leading news site
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog



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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Tue Apr  5 09:45:41 2022
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 23:45:41 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
In-Reply-To: <CAMpV8Mq9sbT+bg9MLAbBr8j75dej0aM7Qa8z=DMzmknZ=tG7hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1649114272637.4829@bradleyamm.com>,
 <CAMpV8Mq9sbT+bg9MLAbBr8j75dej0aM7Qa8z=DMzmknZ=tG7hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1649115942159.16924@bradleyamm.com>

Seems to be intermittent

Affecting my Work Optus mobile but my non work Optus mobile is OK
Data appears fine


________________________________________
From: DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 7:39 AM
To: Bradley Amm
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network

Interesting.

Sure not affecting my mobile (Sydney) and (thankfully!) not my
internet transit via them (this time)

D

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 09:19, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>
> Optus outage wreaks havoc for thousands of users | news.com.au ? Australia?s leading news site
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog



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From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au  Tue Apr  5 09:49:06 2022
From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 23:49:06 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
In-Reply-To: <1649115942159.16924@bradleyamm.com>
References: <1649114272637.4829@bradleyamm.com>,
 <CAMpV8Mq9sbT+bg9MLAbBr8j75dej0aM7Qa8z=DMzmknZ=tG7hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1649115942159.16924@bradleyamm.com>
Message-ID: <f896440ee5744e7b87f9b2674a450cfc@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>

We have a bunch of Optus mobile data services across Oz and they are all working fine no issues.




-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Bradley Amm
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2022 9:46 AM
To: DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network

Seems to be intermittent

Affecting my Work Optus mobile but my non work Optus mobile is OK Data appears fine


________________________________________
From: DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 7:39 AM
To: Bradley Amm
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network

Interesting.

Sure not affecting my mobile (Sydney) and (thankfully!) not my internet transit via them (this time)

D

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 09:19, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>
> Optus outage wreaks havoc for thousands of users | news.com.au - 
> Australia's leading news site
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog



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From jeremy at resolvergroup.com.au  Tue Apr  5 09:51:30 2022
From: jeremy at resolvergroup.com.au (Jeremy Chequer)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 23:51:30 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
In-Reply-To: <f896440ee5744e7b87f9b2674a450cfc@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
References: <1649114272637.4829@bradleyamm.com>,
 <CAMpV8Mq9sbT+bg9MLAbBr8j75dej0aM7Qa8z=DMzmknZ=tG7hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1649115942159.16924@bradleyamm.com>
 <f896440ee5744e7b87f9b2674a450cfc@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
Message-ID: <SYYP282MB0942335E83E7EC320D7E59EDFAE59@SYYP282MB0942.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Service seems to be back again. Main issue seemed to be outbound calls to landlines. I've been using my Optus Data all morning but have only been able to call out again for maybe the last 15 minutes.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

Cheers

Jeremy Chequer
Chief Operating Officer

Resolver Group

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Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 9:49:06 AM
To: Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com>; DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network

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We have a bunch of Optus mobile data services across Oz and they are all working fine no issues.




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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Bradley Amm
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2022 9:46 AM
To: DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network

Seems to be intermittent

Affecting my Work Optus mobile but my non work Optus mobile is OK Data appears fine


________________________________________
From: DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 7:39 AM
To: Bradley Amm
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network

Interesting.

Sure not affecting my mobile (Sydney) and (thankfully!) not my internet transit via them (this time)

D

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 09:19, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>
> Optus outage wreaks havoc for thousands of users | news.com.au -
> Australia's leading news site
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog



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From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 13:01:46 2022
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 13:01:46 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
In-Reply-To: <1649115942159.16924@bradleyamm.com>
References: <1649114272637.4829@bradleyamm.com>
 <CAMpV8Mq9sbT+bg9MLAbBr8j75dej0aM7Qa8z=DMzmknZ=tG7hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1649115942159.16924@bradleyamm.com>
Message-ID: <CAMpV8MrbVMt+RS9Sw=NzEEGvE_rTm8RsK_WtD8SuFv6ZUCjdpw@mail.gmail.com>

As a possible data point - whatever it is appears to have broken some
apparently unrelated services

We use Duo for MFA - all my users on Optus (and other networks in some
cases) are currently unable to authenticate using the Duo push app, me
included.

Phone effectively says "No internet" - when it does have it - when
trying to reply to the push

Duo claim their service uses Google/Apple's push services - which
leads me to think that somehow, Google and Apple hook into Optus
somewhere, and this issue is related - the timing is too coincidental

But what do I know?

D

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 09:46, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
>
> Seems to be intermittent
>
> Affecting my Work Optus mobile but my non work Optus mobile is OK
> Data appears fine
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 7:39 AM
> To: Bradley Amm
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
>
> Interesting.
>
> Sure not affecting my mobile (Sydney) and (thankfully!) not my
> internet transit via them (this time)
>
> D
>
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 09:19, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
> >
> > Optus outage wreaks havoc for thousands of users | news.com.au ? Australia?s leading news site
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
>
> --
> veg?e?tar?i?an:
> Ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride



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From chris+ausnog at legg.net.au  Tue Apr  5 13:38:25 2022
From: chris+ausnog at legg.net.au (Chris Legg)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 11:38:25 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] SPF issue sending to iiNet
Message-ID: <3774d6a4-e1c3-9420-ae8b-daeb14548327@legg.net.au>

Hi all

Are there any iiNet admins who can assist troubleshooting a mail 
delivery issue off-list please?

Call centre tech supports are blaming my SPF config which as far as I 
can tell is working fine (tried on multiple domains and servers), and 
the issue only occurs on 1 particular recipient mailbox.
Both sender and receiver mailboxes are otherwise perfectly functional so 
trying to work out why they don't like each other!

thanks
Chris

From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 13:47:22 2022
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 13:47:22 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
In-Reply-To: <CAMpV8MrbVMt+RS9Sw=NzEEGvE_rTm8RsK_WtD8SuFv6ZUCjdpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1649114272637.4829@bradleyamm.com>
 <CAMpV8Mq9sbT+bg9MLAbBr8j75dej0aM7Qa8z=DMzmknZ=tG7hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1649115942159.16924@bradleyamm.com>
 <CAMpV8MrbVMt+RS9Sw=NzEEGvE_rTm8RsK_WtD8SuFv6ZUCjdpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMpV8MrN+cL4teEo8hsB_=3f8jhNwaHJYPW0mAUKDJj0OUGamQ@mail.gmail.com>

Scratch that - despite spending 45 minutes with support doing
diagnosis, and being assured it wasn;t a problem at their end - turns
out it was.

They made a change which broke ciphers on some phones, apparently. I
guess I was just the first one to complain and they brushed it off
until others started calling with the same issue.

D

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:01, DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As a possible data point - whatever it is appears to have broken some
> apparently unrelated services
>
> We use Duo for MFA - all my users on Optus (and other networks in some
> cases) are currently unable to authenticate using the Duo push app, me
> included.
>
> Phone effectively says "No internet" - when it does have it - when
> trying to reply to the push
>
> Duo claim their service uses Google/Apple's push services - which
> leads me to think that somehow, Google and Apple hook into Optus
> somewhere, and this issue is related - the timing is too coincidental
>
> But what do I know?
>
> D
>
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 09:46, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
> >
> > Seems to be intermittent
> >
> > Affecting my Work Optus mobile but my non work Optus mobile is OK
> > Data appears fine
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: DaZZa <dazzagibbs at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 7:39 AM
> > To: Bradley Amm
> > Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Optus reporting major outage across its network
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> > Sure not affecting my mobile (Sydney) and (thankfully!) not my
> > internet transit via them (this time)
> >
> > D
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 09:19, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Optus outage wreaks havoc for thousands of users | news.com.au ? Australia?s leading news site
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AusNOG mailing list
> > > AusNOG at ausnog.net
> > > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > veg?e?tar?i?an:
> > Ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride
>
>
>
> --
> veg?e?tar?i?an:
> Ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride



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From Stephenb at staff.iinet.net.au  Tue Apr  5 15:55:09 2022
From: Stephenb at staff.iinet.net.au (Stephen Bishop)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 05:55:09 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] SPF issue sending to iiNet
In-Reply-To: <3774d6a4-e1c3-9420-ae8b-daeb14548327@legg.net.au>
References: <3774d6a4-e1c3-9420-ae8b-daeb14548327@legg.net.au>
Message-ID: <SY6PR01MB8346A99B812AD331AA539FC2B5E49@SY6PR01MB8346.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Chris

Feel free to drop me an email with the sending domain details and I can have a dig deeper for you.

Cheers
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Chris Legg
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2022 11:38 AM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] SPF issue sending to iiNet

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Hi all

Are there any iiNet admins who can assist troubleshooting a mail delivery issue off-list please?

Call centre tech supports are blaming my SPF config which as far as I can tell is working fine (tried on multiple domains and servers), and the issue only occurs on 1 particular recipient mailbox.
Both sender and receiver mailboxes are otherwise perfectly functional so trying to work out why they don't like each other!

thanks
Chris
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From rhys at nexusone.com.au  Tue Apr  5 20:38:30 2022
From: rhys at nexusone.com.au (Rhys Hanrahan)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 10:38:30 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Looking for a senior systems/network engineer
Message-ID: <CEDC7E1E-64B0-4553-A3F7-A2B83C479ED6@nexusone.com.au>

Hi Everyone,

We?ve been looking for a senior systems engineer (Linux and Windows) and haven?t had many responses so far. Hoping that some of you may know someone who is interested. Any feedback on the job ad is welcome too :-)

Right now our main focus is a system admin role to work with the team on critical infrastructure and be a part of more involved engineering projects such as automation, HA system implementation and support, etc. We?re really hoping to find a passionate technical all-rounder that has some really solid skills and can work confidently in a number of related areas, as part of our growing engineering team.

More details are listed in the job ad here https://www.seek.com.au/job/56429386, and if anyone is interested, feel free to get in touch with me. I also recommend sending a resume to recruitment at nexusone.com.au<mailto:recruitment at nexusone.com.au> to make sure your email isn?t lost in my inbox.

P.S. It?s not yet our main focus for hiring, but given we?re an MSP who runs all our own network and infrastructure, there?s also interest in anyone who has network engineering skills. The ideal candidate would be some combination of both systems and networking skills, but I?m trying to limit my scope for this hire, as just one area of focus is hard enough to hire for. :-)

Thanks! Have a good night all.

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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Wed Apr  6 16:22:02 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 06:22:02 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] AUSNOG Social and Day 2 Ticket
Message-ID: <2FB7E3D8-58CB-4132-A2A6-55E500091D4C@iperium.com.au>

Hi Everyone,

Sadly I have not been able to attend the first day of the conference due to the dreaded Covid, Dave has confirmed he?s happy for someone to take my ticket if there is anyone who would like to go to the event this evening and attend day two of the conference, please reach out to me so that the ticket does not go to waste.

Nathan Brookfield
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From romislam at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 17:30:03 2022
From: romislam at gmail.com (Roman Islam)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 17:30:03 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] IP Multicast Persistent Duplicate Packet Issue
Message-ID: <CAGfMMhxZiZkhFCERLqZ1=b115XeraiXGwde1MHGycMAaUNKcag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

Has anyone experienced a TETRA Radio application issue if underlying IP
multicast transport sends persistent duplicate packets?

Here is my scenario as below:

PIM is running on the MPLS L3 VPN environment. C multicast is running on a
single VRF (TETRA) only. Source is running behind a dual home PE. HSRP, PIM
DR path is via PE1 to the source. Anycast RP is configured with PE1 & PE2.

On the receiver side there is a single PE. When I check (S,G) route on the
receiver side PE default MDT is working as expected. After the threshold
exceeds it switches to the data MDT. PIM Assert mechanism winner is PE2
though (Since PE 2 has the highest IP and source is behind dual home PE
with equal cost I guess).

Can this be a reason for persistent duplicate multicast packets at the
receiver side; since the assert winner is PE2 but HSRP, PIM DR path is via
PE1 to the source?

If this is the case is there any way to manually configure the assert
winner to PE1?

Roman
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From spoofer-info at caida.org  Sat Apr  9 03:00:11 2022
From: spoofer-info at caida.org (CAIDA Spoofer Project)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 10:00:11 -0700
Subject: [AusNOG] Spoofer Report for AusNOG for Mar 2022
Message-ID: <1649437211.740322.26005.nullmailer@caida.org>

In response to feedback from operational security communities,
CAIDA's source address validation measurement project
(https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly
reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which
we received packets with a spoofed source address.
We are publishing these reports to network and security operations
lists in order to ensure this information reaches operational
contacts in these ASes.

This report summarises tests conducted within aus.

Inferred improvements during Mar 2022:
 none inferred

Source Address Validation issues inferred during Mar 2022:
ASN    Name                           First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed
45671  AS45671-NET-AU                    2020-08-18   2022-03-26
133326 RIN                               2022-02-22   2022-03-30

Further information for these tests where we received spoofed
packets is available at:
https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus&no_block=1

Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-info at caida.org

From ben.ricardo at acs.com.au  Mon Apr 11 13:35:42 2022
From: ben.ricardo at acs.com.au (Benjamin Ricardo)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 03:35:42 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Long shot.... Looking for assistance from Australia Post
	Tech team
Message-ID: <973FBD54AAA9674B9D262D36779FAAC601B8271221@MAIN.acs.intra>

Hi all,
                Looking for someone from the back of house network team in Australia Post?
Got an issue with access to their web portal and front of house are sending us absolutely nuts.
I know it?s a long shot but there is a lot of silent watchers on this forum that are often very helpful. ?


Cheers,
Ben

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From andrew at rwts.com.au  Mon Apr 11 14:15:48 2022
From: andrew at rwts.com.au (Andrew Yager)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:15:48 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
Message-ID: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

Following the recent AusNOG event, I made a comment on LinkedIn expressing
disappointment about the fact that we had another sexual harrassment
incident, and that the conference organisers didn't take a stronger
approach from the platform to condemn it.

To clarify, David did publicly say that this type of behaviour was
unacceptable. David did seek to distance the conference itself from the
behaviour. I personally felt that the way this happened effectively
downplayed the incident. I feel like he could have done better.

I stand by those comments; and firmly believe we need to do more as an
industry to combat these.

Since these comments have been made, there has been an increase in calls
for a new alternate conference. I know that Bevan mooted this idea on
LinkedIn today; and there have been similar calls on my original post and
in other conversational forums.

I will note that at the time the Code of Conduct for the conference was not
available online; but this has been restored after David was alerted to
this issue. I should have done this myself and asked David directly, and I
did not.

I want to reiterate that:

The AusNOG community is a great community. Sure we cycle through phases,
but the networks and community that have been built within this group works
to support and grow the Australian Telecommunications Industry, encourage
development, and support those within our sphere.

I support the AusNOG conference. I think more work can be done to address
incidents of harassment and assault; but this isn't a uniquely AusNOG
problem. This is as much an industry problem. Other conferences have and
continue to have these issues. As AusNOG transitions to a member-led
organisation under the new constitution, I want to see us collectively
learn from what we haven't done well as a community in the past and grow
and change. If there is another conference, I'll encourage my team to
attend; but I will continue to support AusNOG for as long as we can.

We need to find ways and places to talk about this problem. The AusNOG
mailing list is likely not this; and I'm not sure where it is. But we need
to find ways to change thoughts, attitudes and perceptions; and to provide
ways to create safe and supportive work, social and educational
environments for all people in our industry.

I don't have the answers on how we as an industry change. The statistics of
assault and harassment within our ranks are discouraging; but the
overwhelming feedback I've had over the last few days is that people want
change, and want to be part of it.

I don't know exactly how AusNOG 2.0 will work. I don't know how the new
membership system will impact the decision making processes, or encourage
engagement, or provide enhanced ways to make this change.

But I want to publicly thank David, Joe and the rest of the board for
taking the first steps to make this happen.

And lastly; thanks for organising a great conference. It was fun,
informative and educational. There was new content, content that sparked
discussion and thinking, and encouraged and challenged our practice - which
is exactly what we wanted.

I don't really want or need replies to this email. I'm happy to leave it as
it is; but I do think that something needs to be said in the AusNOG mailing
list context given the wide discussion happening in other places.

Thanks,
Andrew
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From terry at terrym.net  Mon Apr 11 16:21:24 2022
From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:21:24 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9566A404-CA30-4CE6-BEFE-8FC76D4FAFC5@terrym.net>

Hi Andrew,

As I have stepped away from the AusNOG board I feel I can now comment publicly on these items in an individual capacity. While I agree with much that has been said in regard to the simple understanding that people should be good humans. David (as a board member) clarifying that the situation happened outside of any AusNOG event was quite correct and appropriate. It's fact. Actually I feel that while Narelle was good to point out some truths, it was inappropriate to infer that it happened at an AusNOG event. If you see that as distancing AusNOG from it, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

As you know there is a solid code of conduct (https://www.ausnog.net/ausnog_coc.pdf), as there should be. And any person that attends AusNOG firstly represent themselves and the company they work for. When IN the AusNOG sessions and AT the AusNOG social they are expected to follow the AusNOG Code of Conduct. Outside of that, the individual is under the expectations of their employer's codes and their employment contract along with the appropriate state and federal laws.

I think that there is something everyone on the AusNOG list needs to do. Go have strong and probing discussions with their own employers and ask the hard questions about their norms of behaviour when socialising with people both in and out side of sponsored or organised events. Perhaps also getting those companies to wrap their arms around the strong AusNOG posture of good behaviour and publicly support and recognise those good behaviours that all of us have demonstrated and championed over the many years to date.

Cheers
Terry



> On 11 Apr 2022, at 2:15 pm, Andrew Yager <andrew at rwts.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Following the recent AusNOG event, I made a comment on LinkedIn expressing disappointment about the fact that we had another sexual harrassment incident, and that the conference organisers didn't take a stronger approach from the platform to condemn it.
> 
> To clarify, David did publicly say that this type of behaviour was unacceptable. David did seek to distance the conference itself from the behaviour. I personally felt that the way this happened effectively downplayed the incident. I feel like he could have done better.
> 
> I stand by those comments; and firmly believe we need to do more as an industry to combat these.
> 
> Since these comments have been made, there has been an increase in calls for a new alternate conference. I know that Bevan mooted this idea on LinkedIn today; and there have been similar calls on my original post and in other conversational forums.
> 
> I will note that at the time the Code of Conduct for the conference was not available online; but this has been restored after David was alerted to this issue. I should have done this myself and asked David directly, and I did not.
> 
> I want to reiterate that:
> 
> The AusNOG community is a great community. Sure we cycle through phases, but the networks and community that have been built within this group works to support and grow the Australian Telecommunications Industry, encourage development, and support those within our sphere.
> 
> I support the AusNOG conference. I think more work can be done to address incidents of harassment and assault; but this isn't a uniquely AusNOG problem. This is as much an industry problem. Other conferences have and continue to have these issues. As AusNOG transitions to a member-led organisation under the new constitution, I want to see us collectively learn from what we haven't done well as a community in the past and grow and change. If there is another conference, I'll encourage my team to attend; but I will continue to support AusNOG for as long as we can.
> 
> We need to find ways and places to talk about this problem. The AusNOG mailing list is likely not this; and I'm not sure where it is. But we need to find ways to change thoughts, attitudes and perceptions; and to provide ways to create safe and supportive work, social and educational environments for all people in our industry.
> 
> I don't have the answers on how we as an industry change. The statistics of assault and harassment within our ranks are discouraging; but the overwhelming feedback I've had over the last few days is that people want change, and want to be part of it.
> 
> I don't know exactly how AusNOG 2.0 will work. I don't know how the new membership system will impact the decision making processes, or encourage engagement, or provide enhanced ways to make this change.
> 
> But I want to publicly thank David, Joe and the rest of the board for taking the first steps to make this happen.
> 
> And lastly; thanks for organising a great conference. It was fun, informative and educational. There was new content, content that sparked discussion and thinking, and encouraged and challenged our practice - which is exactly what we wanted.
> 
> I don't really want or need replies to this email. I'm happy to leave it as it is; but I do think that something needs to be said in the AusNOG mailing list context given the wide discussion happening in other places.
> 
> Thanks,
> Andrew
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From philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au  Tue Apr 12 11:09:50 2022
From: philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au (Philip Loenneker)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 01:09:50 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Wanted urgently - Cisco ESP20 for ASR1004
Message-ID: <ME1PR01MB163446C308F557467B42CDE9CFED9@ME1PR01MB1634.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

We have a failed ESP20 in an ASR1004. We're after a replacement, preferably two of them. The part number is ASR1000-ESP20.

If anyone has one or two that they are happy to part with for suitable compensation, please reach out to me directly.

Regards,
Philip Loenneker| Senior Network Engineer
TasmaNet | Vastnet | Netmode
40-50 Innovation Drive, Dowsing Point TAS 7010
528 Compton Road, Sunnybank Hills QLD 4109
T: +61 1300 792 711 | philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au<mailto:philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au>
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From philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au  Tue Apr 12 11:10:55 2022
From: philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au (Philip Loenneker)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 01:10:55 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Wanted urgently - Cisco ESP20 for ASR1004
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Sorry, I hit send a moment too early.

We would also like up to 3x RP2 modules as well if anyone has those.

Regards,
Philip Loenneker| Senior Network Engineer
TasmaNet | Vastnet | Netmode
40-50 Innovation Drive, Dowsing Point TAS 7010
528 Compton Road, Sunnybank Hills QLD 4109
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From: Philip Loenneker
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2022 11:10 AM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Wanted urgently - Cisco ESP20 for ASR1004

Hi all,

We have a failed ESP20 in an ASR1004. We're after a replacement, preferably two of them. The part number is ASR1000-ESP20.

If anyone has one or two that they are happy to part with for suitable compensation, please reach out to me directly.

Regards,
Philip Loenneker| Senior Network Engineer
TasmaNet | Vastnet | Netmode
40-50 Innovation Drive, Dowsing Point TAS 7010
528 Compton Road, Sunnybank Hills QLD 4109
T: +61 1300 792 711 | philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au<mailto:philip.loenneker at tasmanet.com.au>
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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Tue Apr 12 13:06:28 2022
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:06:28 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
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On 11/04/2022 16:21, Terry Manderson wrote:

> clarifying that the situation happened outside of any AusNOG event was 
> quite correct and appropriate. It's fact.

Fact?

Case number for the precedent please?

-- 
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Tue Apr 12 13:13:28 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 03:13:28 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
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It may well be ?fact? and it?s not my place at this stage to elaborate to the remainder of the community but considering the ?Offender? and the ?Victim? in this particular case were both at drinks post an official event and were both in Sydney for AUSNOG and not just as attendees but in other more directly related capacities, well, you can?t just put your fingers in your ears and claim ignorance.

The victim involved in this poor example of human behaviour is more than happy to put her hand up and be open about exactly what occurred throughout the evening and up until other people became aware so, maybe in time, if it?s appropriate people may be explosed to the full facts and honest disclosure of what it was like and maybe the disrespectful playing down of the incident at hand and I?m sure many others might stop?.

This wasn?t some ?woke? beat up, this was worse so anyone playing it down, should take a good look at themselves.

From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Noel Butler
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2022 1:06 PM
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0


On 11/04/2022 16:21, Terry Manderson wrote:

clarifying that the situation happened outside of any AusNOG event was quite correct and appropriate. It's fact.


Fact?

Case number for the precedent please?


--

Regards,
Noel Butler

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From terry at terrym.net  Tue Apr 12 13:16:26 2022
From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:16:26 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <ba79b16149e4d52ddbef92b255c7bdbc@ausics.net>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Noel,

Are you presuming that it was escalated to a police case number? Secondly since was (from what David said at the mic) it was outside of AusNOG controlled events why would we be privy to such details?

I'm confused as to what your terse email is asking for... 

Cheers
Terry

> On 12 Apr 2022, at 1:06 pm, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:
> 
> On 11/04/2022 16:21, Terry Manderson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> clarifying that the situation happened outside of any AusNOG event was quite correct and appropriate. It's fact.
>>  
>  
> Fact?
>  
> Case number for the precedent please?
>  
>  
> -- 
> Regards,
> Noel Butler
> 
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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Tue Apr 12 13:23:58 2022
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:23:58 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <MEYP282MB25208E2958C7E8C8B68F993CDBED9@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I might have trimmed too much of the already over quoting so my bad, I 
have zero interest in who was involved or what.

the "Fact" was it appeared Terry was claiming ausnog have zero liability 
in it, that is what i was referring to asking for the precedent case  :)

cheers

On 12/04/2022 13:13, Nathan Brookfield wrote:

> It may well be 'fact' and it's not my place at this stage to elaborate 
> to the remainder of the community but considering the 'Offender' and 
> the 'Victim' in this particular case were both at --

Regards,
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From terry at terrym.net  Tue Apr 12 13:25:45 2022
From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:25:45 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
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Nathan,

If it's not your place to elaborate, then why are you doing so?

I chimed in as the person who created code of conduct and interfaced with the AusNOG lawyers when I held a board position, and I was at the conference and heard exactly what Narelle said, and what David said.

T.

> On 12 Apr 2022, at 1:13 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> 
> It may well be ?fact? and it?s not my place at this stage to elaborate to the remainder of the community but considering the ?Offender? and the ?Victim? in this particular case were both at drinks post an official event and were both in Sydney for AUSNOG and not just as attendees but in other more directly related capacities, well, you can?t just put your fingers in your ears and claim ignorance.
>  
> The victim involved in this poor example of human behaviour is more than happy to put her hand up and be open about exactly what occurred throughout the evening and up until other people became aware so, maybe in time, if it?s appropriate people may be explosed to the full facts and honest disclosure of what it was like and maybe the disrespectful playing down of the incident at hand and I?m sure many others might stop?.
>  
> This wasn?t some ?woke? beat up, this was worse so anyone playing it down, should take a good look at themselves.
>  
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Noel Butler
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2022 1:06 PM
> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
>  
> On 11/04/2022 16:21, Terry Manderson wrote:
> 
> 
> clarifying that the situation happened outside of any AusNOG event was quite correct and appropriate. It's fact.
>  
>  
> Fact?
>  
> Case number for the precedent please?
>  
>  
> --
> Regards,
> Noel Butler
> 
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From terry at terrym.net  Tue Apr 12 13:34:19 2022
From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:34:19 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
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Noel,

Where did I say "zero liability"? I didn't. Nor did I say AusNOG had any liability. That is not my call as an individual who is ALSO not a member of the AusNOG board nor a judge, nor a lawyer. Are you a judge who can assert liability?

What I said was that the "issue" occurred at someplace other than an AusNOG event.

This IS a situation that individuals and companies in the industry need to take a hard look at themselves.

T.


> On 12 Apr 2022, at 1:23 pm, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:
> 
> I might have trimmed too much of the already over quoting so my bad, I have zero interest in who was involved or what.
> 
> the "Fact" was it appeared Terry was claiming ausnog have zero liability in it, that is what i was referring to asking for the precedent case  :)
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/04/2022 13:13, Nathan Brookfield wrote:
> 
>> It may well be 'fact' and it's not my place at this stage to elaborate to the remainder of the community but considering the 'Offender' and the 'Victim' in this particular case were both at -- 
> Regards,
> Noel Butler
> 
> This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so.   If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality, copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery of this message.
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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Tue Apr 12 13:45:05 2022
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:45:05 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
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publicly and finally,

You implied by using the word FACT, of course I may have misunderstood 
you.

I will add, absolutely the industry needs to, and not just ours

for the rest, see your offlist email

On 12/04/2022 13:34, Terry Manderson wrote:

> Noel,
> 
> Where did I say "zero liability"? I didn't. Nor did I say AusNOG had 
> any liability. That is not my call as an individual who is ALSO not a 
> member of the AusNOG board nor a judge, nor a lawyer. Are you a judge 
> who can assert liability?
> 
> What I said was that the "issue" occurred at someplace other than an 
> AusNOG event.
> 
> This IS a situation that individuals and companies in the industry need 
> to take a hard look at themselves.
> 
> T.
> 
> On 12 Apr 2022, at 1:23 pm, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:
> 
> I might have trimmed too much of the already over quoting so my bad, I 
> have zero interest in who was involved or what.
> 
> the "Fact" was it appeared Terry was claiming ausnog have zero 
> liability in it, that is what i was referring to asking for the 
> precedent case  :)
> 
> cheers
> 
> On 12/04/2022 13:13, Nathan Brookfield wrote:
> 
> It may well be 'fact' and it's not my place at this stage to elaborate 
> to the remainder of the community but considering the 'Offender' and 
> the 'Victim' in this particular case were both at -- Regards,
> Noel Butler
> 
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> If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then 
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From jake at taylornetworks.com.au  Tue Apr 12 14:08:58 2022
From: jake at taylornetworks.com.au (Jacob Taylor)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:08:58 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
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I think this conversation has diverged from the actual issue into an
argument of semantics. Categorically, the event in question did not occur
at a sanctioned AusNOG event. However, as Nathan states, to suggest that in
itself is enough for us to wash our hands is pretty reductive.

I don't think anyone, including Narelle, has implied AusNOG (either
the organisation or the community at large) is at fault/liable/whatever
here. The overwhelming majority of delegates behaved appropriately and were
rightfully appalled by this behaviour.

The point of calling this out is not to suggest AusNOG is a wretched hive
of scum and misogyny, because it isn't. It exists to highlight that bad
behaviour can and does exist in our industry (and, indeed, across all
industries).

We as an industry can do better, and I know this as I am a member of the
LGBTQIA+ community. I can assuredly state I have never felt unwelcome
amongst my industry peers at AusNOG or elsewhere, but I have felt the sting
of subtle discrimination at past employers.

I want all networking professionals to feel welcome in the industry, at
AusNOG and elsewhere. The first step to achieving that is to craft our
community into a space where, should the worst occur, those on the
receiving end feel empowered to speak up and call it out.

This in turn will deprive potential perpetrators of silence as a shield,
and hence will impact their behaviour.

I think we're hurtling down the slippery slope of the OT thread though, so
I'll leave it there.

Cheers,
Jake


On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 1:34 PM Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net> wrote:

> Noel,
>
> Where did I say "zero liability"? I didn't. Nor did I say AusNOG had any
> liability. That is not my call as an individual who is ALSO not a member of
> the AusNOG board nor a judge, nor a lawyer. Are you a judge who can assert
> liability?
>
> What I said was that the "issue" occurred at someplace other than an
> AusNOG event.
>
> This IS a situation that individuals and companies in the industry need to
> take a hard look at themselves.
>
> T.
>
>
> > On 12 Apr 2022, at 1:23 pm, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:
> >
> > I might have trimmed too much of the already over quoting so my bad, I
> have zero interest in who was involved or what.
> >
> > the "Fact" was it appeared Terry was claiming ausnog have zero liability
> in it, that is what i was referring to asking for the precedent case  :)
> >
> > cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/04/2022 13:13, Nathan Brookfield wrote:
> >
> >> It may well be 'fact' and it's not my place at this stage to elaborate
> to the remainder of the community but considering the 'Offender' and the
> 'Victim' in this particular case were both at --
> > Regards,
> > Noel Butler
> >
> > This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged
> information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to
> copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this
> message without the authors express written authority to do so.   If you
> are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all
> copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality,
> copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the
> mistaken delivery of this message.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
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From david at hughes.id  Tue Apr 12 14:44:07 2022
From: david at hughes.id (david at hughes.id)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:44:07 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>


Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your email.  It's such an important topic and hopefully this conversation can be the first step towards a solution.

I totally agree.  With 20 / 20 hindsight and some prep time I could have worded the comments I made at the conference much better.   I had only just been informed of the incident and was as surprised as I was disappointed.  It's hard to fathom why we are still facing issues like this in 2022.

AusNOG strives to provide a safe and inclusive environment within the confines of our events, and I honestly believe we do that.  We have never had an issue of this nature at an event that is part of an AusNOG conference.  We have protocols in place with our events team and the venue staff regarding unacceptable behaviour of attendees.  We encourage and value the participation of everyone from our industry and have zero-tolerance for those who wish to impact upon that.  

We cannot control what occurs when people leave the environment we provide, but it's certainly an area of concern for the whole industry.  We must all have expectations of the behaviour of our peers.  I know so many wonderful people in our industry yet we keep talking about the behaviour of the absolute minority.  How do we fix that?

To attend an AusNOG event you must agree to behave in accordance with the Code of Conduct.  If you don't, you'll be removed from the event and you won't be welcome back.  But that only covers the time people are at the actual event.  Once you leave the conference venue our CoC cannot be applied to your behaviour.  However, attendees at the conference are employees of companies, and those companies should have expectations for the behaviour of their employees.  Do companies have a Code of Conduct for their staff?  Do companies remind staff of their expectations before they attend an event?  If not, perhaps we can work together to define a code of conduct any company can sign up to, for employees attending not just AusNOG but all industry events?

As you say, this is an Industry-wide problem so I'm asking the whole industry to work to address it.  I'd like to see an industry wide expectation on how people behave when attending all industry social events.  I'm more than happy to take the lead and coordinate this through AusNOG.  If you are an employer who sends staff to industry events and are interested in helping with this or signing up to a shared Code of Conduct please get in touch?


Regards,

David
...

> On 11 Apr 2022, at 2:15 pm, Andrew Yager <andrew at rwts.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Following the recent AusNOG event, I made a comment on LinkedIn expressing disappointment about the fact that we had another sexual harrassment incident, and that the conference organisers didn't take a stronger approach from the platform to condemn it.
> 
> To clarify, David did publicly say that this type of behaviour was unacceptable. David did seek to distance the conference itself from the behaviour. I personally felt that the way this happened effectively downplayed the incident. I feel like he could have done better.
> 
> I stand by those comments; and firmly believe we need to do more as an industry to combat these.
> 
> Since these comments have been made, there has been an increase in calls for a new alternate conference. I know that Bevan mooted this idea on LinkedIn today; and there have been similar calls on my original post and in other conversational forums.
> 
> I will note that at the time the Code of Conduct for the conference was not available online; but this has been restored after David was alerted to this issue. I should have done this myself and asked David directly, and I did not.
> 
> I want to reiterate that:
> 
> The AusNOG community is a great community. Sure we cycle through phases, but the networks and community that have been built within this group works to support and grow the Australian Telecommunications Industry, encourage development, and support those within our sphere.
> 
> I support the AusNOG conference. I think more work can be done to address incidents of harassment and assault; but this isn't a uniquely AusNOG problem. This is as much an industry problem. Other conferences have and continue to have these issues. As AusNOG transitions to a member-led organisation under the new constitution, I want to see us collectively learn from what we haven't done well as a community in the past and grow and change. If there is another conference, I'll encourage my team to attend; but I will continue to support AusNOG for as long as we can.
> 
> We need to find ways and places to talk about this problem. The AusNOG mailing list is likely not this; and I'm not sure where it is. But we need to find ways to change thoughts, attitudes and perceptions; and to provide ways to create safe and supportive work, social and educational environments for all people in our industry.
> 
> I don't have the answers on how we as an industry change. The statistics of assault and harassment within our ranks are discouraging; but the overwhelming feedback I've had over the last few days is that people want change, and want to be part of it.
> 
> I don't know exactly how AusNOG 2.0 will work. I don't know how the new membership system will impact the decision making processes, or encourage engagement, or provide enhanced ways to make this change.
> 
> But I want to publicly thank David, Joe and the rest of the board for taking the first steps to make this happen.
> 
> And lastly; thanks for organising a great conference. It was fun, informative and educational. There was new content, content that sparked discussion and thinking, and encouraged and challenged our practice - which is exactly what we wanted.
> 
> I don't really want or need replies to this email. I'm happy to leave it as it is; but I do think that something needs to be said in the AusNOG mailing list context given the wide discussion happening in other places.
> 
> Thanks,
> Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog


From andrew at rwts.com.au  Tue Apr 12 15:09:49 2022
From: andrew at rwts.com.au (Andrew Yager)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:09:49 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>
Message-ID: <CAEX38COwTw6ZxPE8=ViFOPcVi8d6wi6Rz4gHB0g47ub5jKc4wg@mail.gmail.com>

I've already said this to you privately; but count us in.

Andrew


On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 14:44, <david at hughes.id> wrote:

>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Thanks for your email.  It's such an important topic and hopefully this
> conversation can be the first step towards a solution.
>
> I totally agree.  With 20 / 20 hindsight and some prep time I could have
> worded the comments I made at the conference much better.   I had only just
> been informed of the incident and was as surprised as I was disappointed.
> It's hard to fathom why we are still facing issues like this in 2022.
>
> AusNOG strives to provide a safe and inclusive environment within the
> confines of our events, and I honestly believe we do that.  We have never
> had an issue of this nature at an event that is part of an AusNOG
> conference.  We have protocols in place with our events team and the venue
> staff regarding unacceptable behaviour of attendees.  We encourage and
> value the participation of everyone from our industry and have
> zero-tolerance for those who wish to impact upon that.
>
> We cannot control what occurs when people leave the environment we
> provide, but it's certainly an area of concern for the whole industry.  We
> must all have expectations of the behaviour of our peers.  I know so many
> wonderful people in our industry yet we keep talking about the behaviour of
> the absolute minority.  How do we fix that?
>
> To attend an AusNOG event you must agree to behave in accordance with the
> Code of Conduct.  If you don't, you'll be removed from the event and you
> won't be welcome back.  But that only covers the time people are at the
> actual event.  Once you leave the conference venue our CoC cannot be
> applied to your behaviour.  However, attendees at the conference are
> employees of companies, and those companies should have expectations for
> the behaviour of their employees.  Do companies have a Code of Conduct for
> their staff?  Do companies remind staff of their expectations before they
> attend an event?  If not, perhaps we can work together to define a code of
> conduct any company can sign up to, for employees attending not just AusNOG
> but all industry events?
>
> As you say, this is an Industry-wide problem so I'm asking the whole
> industry to work to address it.  I'd like to see an industry wide
> expectation on how people behave when attending all industry social
> events.  I'm more than happy to take the lead and coordinate this through
> AusNOG.  If you are an employer who sends staff to industry events and are
> interested in helping with this or signing up to a shared Code of Conduct
> please get in touch?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> David
> ...
>
> > On 11 Apr 2022, at 2:15 pm, Andrew Yager <andrew at rwts.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > Following the recent AusNOG event, I made a comment on LinkedIn
> expressing disappointment about the fact that we had another sexual
> harrassment incident, and that the conference organisers didn't take a
> stronger approach from the platform to condemn it.
> >
> > To clarify, David did publicly say that this type of behaviour was
> unacceptable. David did seek to distance the conference itself from the
> behaviour. I personally felt that the way this happened effectively
> downplayed the incident. I feel like he could have done better.
> >
> > I stand by those comments; and firmly believe we need to do more as an
> industry to combat these.
> >
> > Since these comments have been made, there has been an increase in calls
> for a new alternate conference. I know that Bevan mooted this idea on
> LinkedIn today; and there have been similar calls on my original post and
> in other conversational forums.
> >
> > I will note that at the time the Code of Conduct for the conference was
> not available online; but this has been restored after David was alerted to
> this issue. I should have done this myself and asked David directly, and I
> did not.
> >
> > I want to reiterate that:
> >
> > The AusNOG community is a great community. Sure we cycle through phases,
> but the networks and community that have been built within this group works
> to support and grow the Australian Telecommunications Industry, encourage
> development, and support those within our sphere.
> >
> > I support the AusNOG conference. I think more work can be done to
> address incidents of harassment and assault; but this isn't a uniquely
> AusNOG problem. This is as much an industry problem. Other conferences have
> and continue to have these issues. As AusNOG transitions to a member-led
> organisation under the new constitution, I want to see us collectively
> learn from what we haven't done well as a community in the past and grow
> and change. If there is another conference, I'll encourage my team to
> attend; but I will continue to support AusNOG for as long as we can.
> >
> > We need to find ways and places to talk about this problem. The AusNOG
> mailing list is likely not this; and I'm not sure where it is. But we need
> to find ways to change thoughts, attitudes and perceptions; and to provide
> ways to create safe and supportive work, social and educational
> environments for all people in our industry.
> >
> > I don't have the answers on how we as an industry change. The statistics
> of assault and harassment within our ranks are discouraging; but the
> overwhelming feedback I've had over the last few days is that people want
> change, and want to be part of it.
> >
> > I don't know exactly how AusNOG 2.0 will work. I don't know how the new
> membership system will impact the decision making processes, or encourage
> engagement, or provide enhanced ways to make this change.
> >
> > But I want to publicly thank David, Joe and the rest of the board for
> taking the first steps to make this happen.
> >
> > And lastly; thanks for organising a great conference. It was fun,
> informative and educational. There was new content, content that sparked
> discussion and thinking, and encouraged and challenged our practice - which
> is exactly what we wanted.
> >
> > I don't really want or need replies to this email. I'm happy to leave it
> as it is; but I do think that something needs to be said in the AusNOG
> mailing list context given the wide discussion happening in other places.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
>
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Tue Apr 12 15:30:25 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:30:25 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <CAEX38COwTw6ZxPE8=ViFOPcVi8d6wi6Rz4gHB0g47ub5jKc4wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>
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Here Here! Thanks Dave, we?d be on board with that as well.

From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Andrew Yager
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2022 3:10 PM
To: david at hughes.id
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0

I've already said this to you privately; but count us in.

Andrew


On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 14:44, <david at hughes.id<mailto:david at hughes.id>> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your email.  It's such an important topic and hopefully this conversation can be the first step towards a solution.

I totally agree.  With 20 / 20 hindsight and some prep time I could have worded the comments I made at the conference much better.   I had only just been informed of the incident and was as surprised as I was disappointed.  It's hard to fathom why we are still facing issues like this in 2022.

AusNOG strives to provide a safe and inclusive environment within the confines of our events, and I honestly believe we do that.  We have never had an issue of this nature at an event that is part of an AusNOG conference.  We have protocols in place with our events team and the venue staff regarding unacceptable behaviour of attendees.  We encourage and value the participation of everyone from our industry and have zero-tolerance for those who wish to impact upon that.

We cannot control what occurs when people leave the environment we provide, but it's certainly an area of concern for the whole industry.  We must all have expectations of the behaviour of our peers.  I know so many wonderful people in our industry yet we keep talking about the behaviour of the absolute minority.  How do we fix that?

To attend an AusNOG event you must agree to behave in accordance with the Code of Conduct.  If you don't, you'll be removed from the event and you won't be welcome back.  But that only covers the time people are at the actual event.  Once you leave the conference venue our CoC cannot be applied to your behaviour.  However, attendees at the conference are employees of companies, and those companies should have expectations for the behaviour of their employees.  Do companies have a Code of Conduct for their staff?  Do companies remind staff of their expectations before they attend an event?  If not, perhaps we can work together to define a code of conduct any company can sign up to, for employees attending not just AusNOG but all industry events?

As you say, this is an Industry-wide problem so I'm asking the whole industry to work to address it.  I'd like to see an industry wide expectation on how people behave when attending all industry social events.  I'm more than happy to take the lead and coordinate this through AusNOG.  If you are an employer who sends staff to industry events and are interested in helping with this or signing up to a shared Code of Conduct please get in touch?


Regards,

David
...

> On 11 Apr 2022, at 2:15 pm, Andrew Yager <andrew at rwts.com.au<mailto:andrew at rwts.com.au>> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> Following the recent AusNOG event, I made a comment on LinkedIn expressing disappointment about the fact that we had another sexual harrassment incident, and that the conference organisers didn't take a stronger approach from the platform to condemn it.
>
> To clarify, David did publicly say that this type of behaviour was unacceptable. David did seek to distance the conference itself from the behaviour. I personally felt that the way this happened effectively downplayed the incident. I feel like he could have done better.
>
> I stand by those comments; and firmly believe we need to do more as an industry to combat these.
>
> Since these comments have been made, there has been an increase in calls for a new alternate conference. I know that Bevan mooted this idea on LinkedIn today; and there have been similar calls on my original post and in other conversational forums.
>
> I will note that at the time the Code of Conduct for the conference was not available online; but this has been restored after David was alerted to this issue. I should have done this myself and asked David directly, and I did not.
>
> I want to reiterate that:
>
> The AusNOG community is a great community. Sure we cycle through phases, but the networks and community that have been built within this group works to support and grow the Australian Telecommunications Industry, encourage development, and support those within our sphere.
>
> I support the AusNOG conference. I think more work can be done to address incidents of harassment and assault; but this isn't a uniquely AusNOG problem. This is as much an industry problem. Other conferences have and continue to have these issues. As AusNOG transitions to a member-led organisation under the new constitution, I want to see us collectively learn from what we haven't done well as a community in the past and grow and change. If there is another conference, I'll encourage my team to attend; but I will continue to support AusNOG for as long as we can.
>
> We need to find ways and places to talk about this problem. The AusNOG mailing list is likely not this; and I'm not sure where it is. But we need to find ways to change thoughts, attitudes and perceptions; and to provide ways to create safe and supportive work, social and educational environments for all people in our industry.
>
> I don't have the answers on how we as an industry change. The statistics of assault and harassment within our ranks are discouraging; but the overwhelming feedback I've had over the last few days is that people want change, and want to be part of it.
>
> I don't know exactly how AusNOG 2.0 will work. I don't know how the new membership system will impact the decision making processes, or encourage engagement, or provide enhanced ways to make this change.
>
> But I want to publicly thank David, Joe and the rest of the board for taking the first steps to make this happen.
>
> And lastly; thanks for organising a great conference. It was fun, informative and educational. There was new content, content that sparked discussion and thinking, and encouraged and challenged our practice - which is exactly what we wanted.
>
> I don't really want or need replies to this email. I'm happy to leave it as it is; but I do think that something needs to be said in the AusNOG mailing list context given the wide discussion happening in other places.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at ausnog.net>
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Tue Apr 12 15:33:05 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:33:05 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <2CDE1058-0779-4721-9E25-74C7097EEB95@terrym.net>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9566A404-CA30-4CE6-BEFE-8FC76D4FAFC5@terrym.net>
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Pull your head in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2022 1:26 PM
To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
Cc: Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net>; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0

Nathan,

If it's not your place to elaborate, then why are you doing so?

I chimed in as the person who created code of conduct and interfaced with the AusNOG lawyers when I held a board position, and I was at the conference and heard exactly what Narelle said, and what David said.

T.

> On 12 Apr 2022, at 1:13 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> 
> It may well be ?fact? and it?s not my place at this stage to elaborate to the remainder of the community but considering the ?Offender? and the ?Victim? in this particular case were both at drinks post an official event and were both in Sydney for AUSNOG and not just as attendees but in other more directly related capacities, well, you can?t just put your fingers in your ears and claim ignorance.
>  
> The victim involved in this poor example of human behaviour is more than happy to put her hand up and be open about exactly what occurred throughout the evening and up until other people became aware so, maybe in time, if it?s appropriate people may be explosed to the full facts and honest disclosure of what it was like and maybe the disrespectful playing down of the incident at hand and I?m sure many others might stop?.
>  
> This wasn?t some ?woke? beat up, this was worse so anyone playing it down, should take a good look at themselves.
>  
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Noel Butler
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2022 1:06 PM
> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
>  
> On 11/04/2022 16:21, Terry Manderson wrote:
> 
> 
> clarifying that the situation happened outside of any AusNOG event was quite correct and appropriate. It's fact.
>  
>  
> Fact?
>  
> Case number for the precedent please?
>  
>  
> --
> Regards,
> Noel Butler
> 
> This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so.   If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality, copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery of this message.
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog


From terry at terrym.net  Tue Apr 12 15:49:35 2022
From: terry at terrym.net (Terry Manderson)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:49:35 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <MEYP282MB25202CF623086C13072078C5DBED9@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <MEYP282MB25202CF623086C13072078C5DBED9@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <AC6F863A-AB1B-4AB8-9046-D0634A5C3071@terrym.net>

Excuse me?

Cheers,
Terry

> On 12 Apr 2022, at 15:33, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> 
> ?Pull your head in.

From jaedwards at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 16:27:14 2022
From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:57:14 +0930
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>
Message-ID: <CAOSsYkrN7hFMCNbWn6squxYp3YFrnP=9Y81LpfbcknHx+UpcQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

The industry is rounding on 30 years since the Mosaic web browser gave the
public a reason to buy a 14.4 modem and subscribe to a local ISP, and while
a lot of technology and regulation has changed in that time not much has
been done to address the male dominated culture. The IAASysters program is
a notable exception.

Culture starts at the top - if you want the industry to change to be better
to its minority members, put them in a position to influence change.

I would suggest that one way this can be achieved is by putting women on
the Ausnog board. As of September 2021, every ASX200 company has a woman on
the board so it's the status quo rather than a "woke" option. I note that
one of the last companies to make this happen was in our industry.

To avoid putting additional pressure on those already in the industry,
Ausnog could look further afield. The Australian Institute of Company
DIrectors[1] runs a free advertising service for board placements, and is
bursting at the seams with skilled people (albeit mostly lawyers and
accountants) willing to give their time to a not-for-profit board so that
they can gain experience and diversify their resumes. There will still be
room on the board for someone who knows how to configure BGP, so why not
give them a call?

John

[1] Disclosure: I am a member

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 14:14, <david at hughes.id> wrote:

>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Thanks for your email.  It's such an important topic and hopefully this
> conversation can be the first step towards a solution.
>
> I totally agree.  With 20 / 20 hindsight and some prep time I could have
> worded the comments I made at the conference much better.   I had only just
> been informed of the incident and was as surprised as I was disappointed.
> It's hard to fathom why we are still facing issues like this in 2022.
>
> AusNOG strives to provide a safe and inclusive environment within the
> confines of our events, and I honestly believe we do that.  We have never
> had an issue of this nature at an event that is part of an AusNOG
> conference.  We have protocols in place with our events team and the venue
> staff regarding unacceptable behaviour of attendees.  We encourage and
> value the participation of everyone from our industry and have
> zero-tolerance for those who wish to impact upon that.
>
> We cannot control what occurs when people leave the environment we
> provide, but it's certainly an area of concern for the whole industry.  We
> must all have expectations of the behaviour of our peers.  I know so many
> wonderful people in our industry yet we keep talking about the behaviour of
> the absolute minority.  How do we fix that?
>
> To attend an AusNOG event you must agree to behave in accordance with the
> Code of Conduct.  If you don't, you'll be removed from the event and you
> won't be welcome back.  But that only covers the time people are at the
> actual event.  Once you leave the conference venue our CoC cannot be
> applied to your behaviour.  However, attendees at the conference are
> employees of companies, and those companies should have expectations for
> the behaviour of their employees.  Do companies have a Code of Conduct for
> their staff?  Do companies remind staff of their expectations before they
> attend an event?  If not, perhaps we can work together to define a code of
> conduct any company can sign up to, for employees attending not just AusNOG
> but all industry events?
>
> As you say, this is an Industry-wide problem so I'm asking the whole
> industry to work to address it.  I'd like to see an industry wide
> expectation on how people behave when attending all industry social
> events.  I'm more than happy to take the lead and coordinate this through
> AusNOG.  If you are an employer who sends staff to industry events and are
> interested in helping with this or signing up to a shared Code of Conduct
> please get in touch?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> David
> ...
>
> > On 11 Apr 2022, at 2:15 pm, Andrew Yager <andrew at rwts.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > Following the recent AusNOG event, I made a comment on LinkedIn
> expressing disappointment about the fact that we had another sexual
> harrassment incident, and that the conference organisers didn't take a
> stronger approach from the platform to condemn it.
> >
> > To clarify, David did publicly say that this type of behaviour was
> unacceptable. David did seek to distance the conference itself from the
> behaviour. I personally felt that the way this happened effectively
> downplayed the incident. I feel like he could have done better.
> >
> > I stand by those comments; and firmly believe we need to do more as an
> industry to combat these.
> >
> > Since these comments have been made, there has been an increase in calls
> for a new alternate conference. I know that Bevan mooted this idea on
> LinkedIn today; and there have been similar calls on my original post and
> in other conversational forums.
> >
> > I will note that at the time the Code of Conduct for the conference was
> not available online; but this has been restored after David was alerted to
> this issue. I should have done this myself and asked David directly, and I
> did not.
> >
> > I want to reiterate that:
> >
> > The AusNOG community is a great community. Sure we cycle through phases,
> but the networks and community that have been built within this group works
> to support and grow the Australian Telecommunications Industry, encourage
> development, and support those within our sphere.
> >
> > I support the AusNOG conference. I think more work can be done to
> address incidents of harassment and assault; but this isn't a uniquely
> AusNOG problem. This is as much an industry problem. Other conferences have
> and continue to have these issues. As AusNOG transitions to a member-led
> organisation under the new constitution, I want to see us collectively
> learn from what we haven't done well as a community in the past and grow
> and change. If there is another conference, I'll encourage my team to
> attend; but I will continue to support AusNOG for as long as we can.
> >
> > We need to find ways and places to talk about this problem. The AusNOG
> mailing list is likely not this; and I'm not sure where it is. But we need
> to find ways to change thoughts, attitudes and perceptions; and to provide
> ways to create safe and supportive work, social and educational
> environments for all people in our industry.
> >
> > I don't have the answers on how we as an industry change. The statistics
> of assault and harassment within our ranks are discouraging; but the
> overwhelming feedback I've had over the last few days is that people want
> change, and want to be part of it.
> >
> > I don't know exactly how AusNOG 2.0 will work. I don't know how the new
> membership system will impact the decision making processes, or encourage
> engagement, or provide enhanced ways to make this change.
> >
> > But I want to publicly thank David, Joe and the rest of the board for
> taking the first steps to make this happen.
> >
> > And lastly; thanks for organising a great conference. It was fun,
> informative and educational. There was new content, content that sparked
> discussion and thinking, and encouraged and challenged our practice - which
> is exactly what we wanted.
> >
> > I don't really want or need replies to this email. I'm happy to leave it
> as it is; but I do think that something needs to be said in the AusNOG
> mailing list context given the wide discussion happening in other places.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From woody at pch.net  Tue Apr 12 16:24:01 2022
From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:24:01 +0200
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>
Message-ID: <DD5C4BAA-6D02-4794-A4C8-DA65DAB8618A@pch.net>



> On Apr 12, 2022, at 6:44 AM, david at hughes.id wrote:
> If you are an employer who sends staff to industry events and are interested in helping with this or signing up to a shared Code of Conduct please get in touch?

PCH is in.

                                -Bill

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From jocelynbateman17 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 16:39:14 2022
From: jocelynbateman17 at gmail.com (Jocelyn bateman)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:39:14 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <AC6F863A-AB1B-4AB8-9046-D0634A5C3071@terrym.net>
References: <AC6F863A-AB1B-4AB8-9046-D0634A5C3071@terrym.net>
Message-ID: <19A89F27-7DFF-48CF-BE94-7A44F25F2146@gmail.com>

With respect to both of you; last week was bad enough. We?re tired. Please show dignity. 
Thank you. 

You?re both highly valuable to the industry. Please be leaders?

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> On 12 Apr 2022, at 3:49 pm, Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Excuse me?
> 
> Cheers,
> Terry
> 
>> On 12 Apr 2022, at 15:33, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Pull your head in.
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

From misterpink at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 17:12:46 2022
From: misterpink at gmail.com (Mister Pink)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:12:46 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <19A89F27-7DFF-48CF-BE94-7A44F25F2146@gmail.com>
References: <AC6F863A-AB1B-4AB8-9046-D0634A5C3071@terrym.net>
 <19A89F27-7DFF-48CF-BE94-7A44F25F2146@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACiWkMbzyL9kagD5a+3x3v_trf93FG7hyifuKF4ctnYFgP8eJg@mail.gmail.com>

[image: image.png]
??????

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 16:39, Jocelyn bateman <jocelynbateman17 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> With respect to both of you; last week was bad enough. We?re tired. Please
> show dignity.
> Thank you.
>
> You?re both highly valuable to the industry. Please be leaders?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Apr 2022, at 3:49 pm, Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Excuse me?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Terry
> >
> >> On 12 Apr 2022, at 15:33, Nathan Brookfield <
> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Pull your head in.
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusNOG mailing list
> > AusNOG at ausnog.net
> > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Wed Apr 13 00:36:10 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:36:10 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <19A89F27-7DFF-48CF-BE94-7A44F25F2146@gmail.com>
References: <AC6F863A-AB1B-4AB8-9046-D0634A5C3071@terrym.net>
 <19A89F27-7DFF-48CF-BE94-7A44F25F2146@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MEYP282MB25208DF2A9F8F6694775844ADBED9@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I personally apologies for my heated comment to Terry yesterday and detracting from the issue at hand, I?ve had it rightly pointed out to me that we?re all civilized people here and that my passion for the community caused an outburst which wasn?t fair to Terry and other participating in this important conversation.

I think David?s e-mail is moving in the right direction and a thanks goes to everyone in the background from the Board to the program committee etc who have been working together to formulate a future approach that?s safe for everyone.

AUSNOG is a great conference and the community as a whole is fabulous, all I want is for us to accept that things occurred and that everyone should feel comfortable whether it be between sexes, races, people with disabilities etc etc.

Networking is fun, that?s all I care about and everyone should feel comfortable and excited to meet and share our knowledge and skills as a group without the threat of vilification, intimidation or harassment.

Upwards and Onwards!!!

Nathan Brookfield | VK2NAB
From: Jocelyn bateman <jocelynbateman17 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 4:39 PM
To: Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net>; Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0

With respect to both of you; last week was bad enough. We?re tired. Please show dignity.
Thank you.

You?re both highly valuable to the industry. Please be leaders?
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> On 12 Apr 2022, at 3:49 pm, Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net<mailto:terry at terrym.net>> wrote:
>
> ?Excuse me?
>
> Cheers,
> Terry
>
>> On 12 Apr 2022, at 15:33, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Pull your head in.
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at ausnog.net>
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From dave at mill.net.nz  Thu Apr 14 09:21:15 2022
From: dave at mill.net.nz (Dave Mill)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:21:15 +1200
Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2.0
In-Reply-To: <FB4C3C79-736D-413B-ABCB-20A67DB031BD@hughes.id>
References: <CAEX38CP6LdycTd4bN9cNzngxJA9LkRA9MDbZj1mjNvfVOj+tKQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMP9sY270RhgteZN_M1cGBV32vEbCNJWrAA12d1vWzx9OsqcKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:44 PM <david at hughes.id> wrote:

> To attend an AusNOG event you must agree to behave in accordance with the
> Code of Conduct.  If you don't, you'll be removed from the event and you
> won't be welcome back.  But that only covers the time people are at the
> actual event.  Once you leave the conference venue our CoC cannot be
> applied to your behaviour.  However, attendees at the conference are
> employees of companies, and those companies should have expectations for
> the behaviour of their employees.  Do companies have a Code of Conduct for
> their staff?  Do companies remind staff of their expectations before they
> attend an event?  If not, perhaps we can work together to define a code of
> conduct any company can sign up to, for employees attending not just AusNOG
> but all industry events?
>
> As you say, this is an Industry-wide problem so I'm asking the whole
> industry to work to address it.  I'd like to see an industry wide
> expectation on how people behave when attending all industry social
> events.  I'm more than happy to take the lead and coordinate this through
> AusNOG.  If you are an employer who sends staff to industry events and are
> interested in helping with this or signing up to a shared Code of Conduct
> please get in touch?
>

On behalf of NZNOG, I'd just like to chime in here and say we fully support
what you are doing here. If we can help in any way please let us know.

NZNOG has just been (re)announced for May 18-20 so this is very relevant to
us right now. We want to hold an event that is safe for all.

Cheers
Dave

(on behalf of the NZNOG Trust)
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From bob.b.west at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 12:24:06 2022
From: bob.b.west at gmail.com (Bob West)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:24:06 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Fibre tech in ACT?
Message-ID: <CADV-12j=WZk6jyn+p3TZRh1rJDx1a_E_umV38axwEKTE_wPRJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a fibre tech in the ACT for some indoor fibre
diagnostics and repairs?

Regards,
Bob
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From jaedwards at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 12:50:14 2022
From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:20:14 +0930
Subject: [AusNOG] Fibre tech in ACT?
In-Reply-To: <CADV-12j=WZk6jyn+p3TZRh1rJDx1a_E_umV38axwEKTE_wPRJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADV-12j=WZk6jyn+p3TZRh1rJDx1a_E_umV38axwEKTE_wPRJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOSsYkp5wyqsW0+6Gi_inZr4jLm+M1h=k1CkAMmZwcHDhvrGCw@mail.gmail.com>

Ecowise services are my go-to in Canberra.

http://www.ecowise-services.com.au/services/data.shtml

John


On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 11:54, Bob West <bob.b.west at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Can anyone recommend a fibre tech in the ACT for some indoor fibre
> diagnostics and repairs?
>
> Regards,
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From ssarkis at unitedip.net.au  Tue Apr 19 21:14:04 2022
From: ssarkis at unitedip.net.au (Sam Sarkis-UIP)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:14:04 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Urgent need for 48 port Poe switch in Brisbane
Message-ID: <70518C24-2CAD-4AB1-8B4B-D6F3F3992D89@unitedip.net.au>

Does anyone happen to have a managed 48 port switch we can borrow or buy first thing in the morning in the  Brisbane area ?

Got a telstra managed juniper switch that died for a customer and telstra is dragging the chain



Sent from my iPhone

From ssarkis at unitedip.net.au  Wed Apr 20 17:22:32 2022
From: ssarkis at unitedip.net.au (Sam Sarkis-UIP)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 07:22:32 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Urgent need for 48 port Poe switch in Brisbane
In-Reply-To: <70518C24-2CAD-4AB1-8B4B-D6F3F3992D89@unitedip.net.au>
References: <70518C24-2CAD-4AB1-8B4B-D6F3F3992D89@unitedip.net.au>
Message-ID: <3FF46D5A-648C-4698-8CC3-43A52F211A37@unitedip.net.au>

Thanks to everyone that responded 

Ending up buying a used Cisco switch and got us out of trouble

Thanks again 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Apr 2022, at 9:15 pm, Sam Sarkis-UIP <ssarkis at unitedip.net.au> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone happen to have a managed 48 port switch we can borrow or buy first thing in the morning in the  Brisbane area ?
> 
> Got a telstra managed juniper switch that died for a customer and telstra is dragging the chain
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at ausnog.net
> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> 
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> 
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From chris at thesysadmin.dev  Sat Apr 23 19:20:59 2022
From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 09:20:59 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Global Switch Ultimo - Manned Security Services
Message-ID: <SYBP282MB05388F6F28AB3340376B8DC0AFF69@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi All,

If there's anyone on-list from GS Ultimo that would know anything about the manned security (i.e. the security guard services) could you please reach out to me off-list? Would like to open a dialogue with you regarding services.

Thanks,
CH
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