[AusNOG] SDWAN Security

[dusty]

Heya,

How are those solutions more suited to swapping in for an MPLS network?
Aren't they all just some flavour of vpn with a cloud frontend, and some
neat fail over behaviours?

I am in the unenviable positive of having to prove "why not meraki", rather
than "what's the best option". Hopefully that comes later, but the meraki
solution has some...investment...to overcome.

And that can only be done with hard facts


On Mon, 31 May 2021, 7:22 pm Radek Tkaczyk, <radek at tkaczyk.id.au> wrote:

> Hi Dusty,
>
> I don’t think you will find that Cisco meraki is not a proper SDWAN
> solution. It’s just a glorified VPN with a cloud dashboard. If you call
> that SDWAN then SDWAN has been around for 30 years then.....
>
> You need to be looking at proper SDWAN solutions like Velocloud(VMware),
> Cisco Viptella, Peplink, etc. These are proper SDWAN solutions that can
> replace an MPLS.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 31 May 2021, at 4:09 pm, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw+ausnog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Dusty,
>
> Full disclosure: I work for VMware (we have a SD-WAN offering) but I’ll
> keep it agnostic—
>
> On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 12:49 pm, dusty <dusty.au at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> After a number of years being more managerial than technical, I find
>> myself staring at a proposal to swap a perfectly good MPLS network with
>> some Meraki shenanigans.
>>
>> This, frankly, gives me the heebie jeebies.
>>
>> I've done a bunch of poking around but, alas, it is remarkably difficult
>> to locate reliable analyses of the actual security (or lack thereof) of
>> these solutions - plenty of glossy marketing and whizzbang, not a lot of
>> facts.
>>
>> Can anyone point me in the direction of some decent whitepapers, blogs,
>> etc about the relative merits of these things?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --dusty (in Brisbane)
>>
>
> (tl;dr: talk to your friendly vendor SE.)
>
> What sort of collateral would you look for, to give warm fuzzies, if you
> were evaluating a traditional WAN routing platform?
>
> You should be able to find security whitepapers and other technical
> documents that describe management and data plane security, use of
> crypto/PKI etc.
>
> Vendors targeting enterprise customers should be putting their products
> through security evaluation frameworks such as Common Criteria — look for
> certification, in-flight or completed, against the Network Device
> collaborative Protection Profile (NDcPP) plus optional modules like VPN.
> Crypto libraries may be FIPS 140-2 [US centric] certified.
>
> For vendors offering things as-a-service, certifications and statements of
> conformance against other regulatory frameworks should be applicable (SOC,
> FedRAMP [again US centric], IRAP etc. may exist).
>
> Cheers,
> Dale
>
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