[AusNOG] More legislative interventions

andy at coastalaudio.com.au andy at coastalaudio.com.au
Fri Apr 5 16:59:14 EST 2019



Why don’t we simply power cycle this government of crazed, religious Luddites?


Other sectors have the right to strike, let’s turn their infrastructure off for 48 hours.

Who will trust Australian cloud providers or programmers after these ruinous legislations?

Are we, as an industry, prepared to forfeit our livelihoods and the future of Australia?

Our American masters and overlords must be wringing their hands in abject glee…

Their disciples of chaos have stripped away more rights in a year than they have in a decade…


Sticking one’s head up one’s anal cavity doth not a valid protest make…

How about growing a set and standing up to this stupidity?




From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Mark Newton
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2019 4:35 PM
To: Serge Burjak <sburjak at systech.com.au>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] More legislative interventions


This passed the Senate after 90 seconds of debate without the bill itself being made available to MPs last night.


It passed the House today after about four minutes of debate with no crossbenchers being allowed to speak.


It’ll receive royal assent and become law, probably tomorrow.


But sure, take their consultation processes seriously, acknowledge the validity of the system, treat them with respect, never go for their jugular, join industry associations who tread softly and quietly and make-nice lest anyone in government become offended. Just like always. I’m sure one day they’ll all see the light and stop kicking the internet industry in the face.


One day.


  - mark



On Apr 4, 2019, at 12:37 PM, Serge Burjak <sburjak at systech.com.au <mailto:sburjak at systech.com.au> > wrote:


Very scary section


(4) The eSafety Commissioner is not required to observe any requirements of procedural fairness in relation to the issue of a 3 notice under subsection (1).


On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 11:22, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com <mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> > wrote:



On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 10:57, Simon Sharwood <simon at jargonmaster.com <mailto:simon at jargonmaster.com> > wrote:

So I was in a thing yesterday with a very senior government relations person from one of the top 3 clouds. And they'd been advised the legislation had very vague wording, meant that they and all cloud services had potential liability.

At least one other major cloud's lobbyists had the same advice. Both tried to alert the government to the fact they'd cast the net far wider than anticipated.



So some hurried back-channel efforts were made to change the wording of the legislation to be more specific about social media.


Those changes weren't made and this government relations pro was flabbergasted at the haste and lack of consultation.


He said it just makes it easier for people to fling FUD at the whole local industry.



On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 10:47 AM Narelle Clark <narellec at gmail.com <mailto:narellec at gmail.com> > wrote:


Just to clarify - it was introduced to the Senate and approved last night. It will hit the House of Reps today.


And the PJCIS hasn't even seen it.


This is flawed in so many ways, and it will affect our industry massively. 


Why should anyone build a content related business here? How do we protect staff and customers from malicious posting in order to invoke this legislation? 




On Thu, 4 Apr. 2019, 10:43 am Narelle Clark, <narellec at gmail.com <mailto:narellec at gmail.com> > wrote:


Parliament has just rushed through more impractical legislation to jail executives of content providers (that would be all of us) if vile content is not removed "expeditiously".


Here is some reaction to it...


Overview:  <https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-04-04/facebook-youtube-social-media-laws-rushed-and-flawed-critics-say/10965812> https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-04-04/facebook-youtube-social-media-laws-rushed-and-flawed-critics-say/10965812


Law Council:   <https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/start-ups-concerned-about-new-social-media-laws/10969282> https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/start-ups-concerned-about-new-social-media-laws/10969282 


Scott Farquar:  <https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/rushed-social-media-legislation-is-seriously-flawed/10969482> https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/rushed-social-media-legislation-is-seriously-flawed/10969482




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