[AusNOG] Common Sense needs to prevail

[dusty]

Funny, I was going to say the same thing to you.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 12:24 pm, Skeeve Stevens <
skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

> You're now part of the problem, not the solution.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
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> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:15 AM John Edwards <jaedwards at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Flirting with "a cute guy or girl" at an industry function is
>> inappropriate.
>>
>> There are apps for that now, save the face to face for professional
>> relationship building.
>>
>> Imagine thinking that someone was interested in you for your skills or
>> experience, only to find that you misread "innocent flirting". That might
>> affect your career choices and the industry as a whole would be poorer for
>> it. At the very least it wasted your time in exploring legitimate
>> networking opportunities.
>>
>> Bonus "PC gone mad" points for sharing a mildly racist anecdote and
>> obliviously lowering the tone of the place a little bit more.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 08:02, Skeeve Stevens <
>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I hate to do this. I'm going to contradict my previous post about this
>>> not being the forum for such discussions.
>>>
>>> This post is not to start another thread war, so if you want to abuse or
>>> say something else to me, please do it off-list.
>>>
>>> I've been catching up on the posts re Sexual Harassment in our industry.
>>> I didn't read all of them, there were just too many. So I don't know if
>>> this perspective was addressed.
>>>
>>> Firstly, I will state categorically that Sexual Harassment is wrong.
>>> SEXUAL HARASSMENT is wrong. Flirting or saying hi to a cute girl (or guy)
>>> is not wrong.
>>>
>>> I hate seeing people go politically correct mad and destroying perfectly
>>> good situations because of a few idiots who should be punished. That said,
>>> the incident should be looked into to make sure facts/accusations are
>>> accurate, as a misunderstanding or wrong accusation can easily destroy
>>> someone as badly as being actually sexually harassed. Bevan was right to
>>> make the announcement, and right to send the warning of what would occur
>>> next time.
>>>
>>> But we need to make sure our industry doesn't have all the fun and
>>> opportunity to meet new people squeezed out of it. I'd hate to see events
>>> where people are afraid to even say hi to someone they fancy (damn I'm old)
>>> due to incidents such as these.
>>>
>>> I say this because I have a different experience than most people here
>>> in that I met my wife at an Ausnog event.
>>>
>>> It was an industry drinks (pre-conference I believe for Ausnog #2)...
>>> there was a cute girl named Shanti (white) and her friend Lynette (Sri
>>> Lankan) which I found highly amusing based on their names. We had lots of
>>> fun with that and there was much flirting to be had.  I wasn't too naughty
>>> (based on the result), but I do recall my staff carrying me out of that
>>> event due to way too much alcohol.
>>>
>>> It turns out Shanti was the one managing the event on loan from Vocus.
>>> As a sponsor of Ausnog #2, I had some interactions with Shanti the
>>> following few days (my staff were previously doing it - but I was smitten),
>>> and during the actual conference spent most of the time outside doing more
>>> flirting with this amazingly cute girl who for some reason was giving me
>>> the time of day.
>>>
>>> I don't recall any of that event really except Vijay Gill being awesome
>>> and Geoff Huston doing his thing. Apart from that... no idea.. I was a
>>> little smitten.
>>>
>>> A few days later I headed to Christchurch for my first APNIC event (#26)
>>> on James Spenceleys recommendation and by some stroke of luck (for me),
>>> James brought along Shanti too.  Well, that was that. It was my first
>>> APNIC, and James asked Shanti to 'keep me amused' [it was all his fault!!]
>>> as we were obviously getting on well. Well, that was the end of that.
>>>
>>> 10 years later, and recently having our 7th Wedding anniversary, and
>>> being the happiest husband ever that I met and fell for one of the very few
>>> women at the AusNOG conference.
>>>
>>> So. Sexual Harassment is bad bad bad... and anyone who does anyone that
>>> is not welcome should be taken care of harshly. But, trying to meet people,
>>> is not a bad thing, and as long as people are respectful, people should
>>> continue to continue to have fun at these events and not be scared of
>>> meeting new people, for whatever reasons.
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
>>> *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & Chief Architect - *eintellego Networks Pty
>>> Ltd
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>>>
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