[AusNOG] Common Sense needs to prevail

[Skeeve Stevens]

Not what I said Mark.

I respect you, but if you can't see what I said, go fuck yourself.
Seriously.

...Skeeve

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On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:23 AM Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:

> So the message here is that we should go easy on sexual harassment at
> AusNOG events because you did alright out of it.
>
> Loud and clear.
>
>     - mark
>
> --
> Tiny screen, imaginary keyboard.
>
>
> On 9 Oct 2018, at 08:31, Skeeve Stevens <
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
> I hate to do this. I'm going to contradict my previous post about this not
> being the forum for such discussions.
>
> This post is not to start another thread war, so if you want to abuse or
> say something else to me, please do it off-list.
>
> I've been catching up on the posts re Sexual Harassment in our industry. I
> didn't read all of them, there were just too many. So I don't know if this
> perspective was addressed.
>
> Firstly, I will state categorically that Sexual Harassment is wrong.
> SEXUAL HARASSMENT is wrong. Flirting or saying hi to a cute girl (or guy)
> is not wrong.
>
> I hate seeing people go politically correct mad and destroying perfectly
> good situations because of a few idiots who should be punished. That said,
> the incident should be looked into to make sure facts/accusations are
> accurate, as a misunderstanding or wrong accusation can easily destroy
> someone as badly as being actually sexually harassed. Bevan was right to
> make the announcement, and right to send the warning of what would occur
> next time.
>
> But we need to make sure our industry doesn't have all the fun and
> opportunity to meet new people squeezed out of it. I'd hate to see events
> where people are afraid to even say hi to someone they fancy (damn I'm old)
> due to incidents such as these.
>
> I say this because I have a different experience than most people here in
> that I met my wife at an Ausnog event.
>
> It was an industry drinks (pre-conference I believe for Ausnog #2)...
> there was a cute girl named Shanti (white) and her friend Lynette (Sri
> Lankan) which I found highly amusing based on their names. We had lots of
> fun with that and there was much flirting to be had.  I wasn't too naughty
> (based on the result), but I do recall my staff carrying me out of that
> event due to way too much alcohol.
>
> It turns out Shanti was the one managing the event on loan from Vocus. As
> a sponsor of Ausnog #2, I had some interactions with Shanti the following
> few days (my staff were previously doing it - but I was smitten), and
> during the actual conference spent most of the time outside doing more
> flirting with this amazingly cute girl who for some reason was giving me
> the time of day.
>
> I don't recall any of that event really except Vijay Gill being awesome
> and Geoff Huston doing his thing. Apart from that... no idea.. I was a
> little smitten.
>
> A few days later I headed to Christchurch for my first APNIC event (#26)
> on James Spenceleys recommendation and by some stroke of luck (for me),
> James brought along Shanti too.  Well, that was that. It was my first
> APNIC, and James asked Shanti to 'keep me amused' [it was all his fault!!]
> as we were obviously getting on well. Well, that was the end of that.
>
> 10 years later, and recently having our 7th Wedding anniversary, and being
> the happiest husband ever that I met and fell for one of the very few women
> at the AusNOG conference.
>
> So. Sexual Harassment is bad bad bad... and anyone who does anyone that is
> not welcome should be taken care of harshly. But, trying to meet people, is
> not a bad thing, and as long as people are respectful, people should
> continue to continue to have fun at these events and not be scared of
> meeting new people, for whatever reasons.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & Chief Architect - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
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