[AusNOG] Reminder of the AusNOG charter

[Mark Prior]

I am beginning to wonder if this should be automatically posted to the
list on a regular interval.

<http://www.ausnog.net/mailing_list/charter>

Especially note the first sentence.

Mark.


AusNOG Mailing List Charter
(Ver 201412)

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Posting:

There are indeed a lot of experienced network professionals on the AusNOG
list, however there are also an equal number of people new to the
industry. The list is NOT your personal free 'tech support' list, NOR is
it the place to beat up the naive (see "Professional Respect").

Before you hit send, please ask yourself these questions.

    1. Have I searched the list archives?
    (hint Google "site:lists.ausnog.net <query string>"

    2. Have I searched Google or other places broadly?

    3. Does my own team or company, internally, know about this or
    a fix?

    4. Is this post actually on charter? (Have I read the charter?!?)

    5. Is there a more appropriate forum for this question (vendor
    or technology specific)?

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(see "Professional Respect").


Posting examples:

GOOD:


Hi,

We are seeing problems with packets to ISP X disappearing into the
ether at A.B.C.D, but only when traversing ISP Y and ISP Z.
This only happens on the waxing moon from a random set of IP addresses.

Has anyone else seen this problem? How did you resolve it?
We have not been able to get in touch with either ISP Y or ISP Z
through the normal channels and I'm not sure they are aware of it.

S. Marty,
AweSome Nets Limited



VERY BAD:

Can someone from ISP X please contact me off list. You are broken.

A. Dolt,
Dolt Network Services Pty Ltd



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