[AusNOG] Network Atlas

Sat Dec 1 17:52:41 EST 2018

Mehmet,

I’m not your enemy here and I’m not your advisor, lawyer, antagonist.

But if you take my “publicly available information” that is bound by copyright and then reproduce that on an atlas that you make available to other people.  Where have I seen that before?

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/pipe-settles-out-of-court-with-market-clarity-160382

That’s right.  Just because it’s publicly available doesn’t actually give you the right to reproduce.  If I wish to produce my network maps in low detail (rather than street level), image based (rather than CAD/KML) in my investor presentations then that’s my business.  There’s a reason I’m ok to reproduce my maps from data into a “presentation” is because that process is protected by copyright and actually means if you decide to reverse engineer same then you’re in breach and I can sue you.

So if the Superloop network turns up in your atlas then, well there’s a very good chance you’ve breached copyright.

***Details of settlement below****

PIPE Networks has settled out of court with Market Clarity over the analyst firm's allegedly unauthorised reproduction of detailed PIPE network maps in its research.

Chief executive of PIPE, Bevan Slattery, said today that Market Clarity had agreed to pay "a sum of money" to settle the matter.

The analyst firm also agreed to "reduce the detail" of their depiction of PIPE's network in Market Clarity's Australian Telecom Infrastructure Atlas 2009.

PIPE's network would now be "depicted in a 'logical diagram' fashion, and a disclaimer inserted to make plain that Market Clarity has not verified the accuracy of the maps".

Market Clarity was to also notify PIPE in advance of any proposed changes to the depiction of PIPE's network assets in the Atlas.

The settlement resulted from mediation ordered by the Federal Court, as revealed by iTnews.

"This settlement is not a reflection on the strength of PIPE's case, but rather that PIPE was able to obtain a satisfactory outcome without the time and expense of going to trial," Slattery said.

"PIPE values both its intellectual property and its reputation very highly. [We] will vigorously pursue anyone who it believes has infringed its intellectual property."

PIPE had lodged an application back in April for injunctive relief restraining Market Clarity from reproducing, licensing, publishing or communicating to the public maps of PIPE Networks' fibre optic cables.

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From: Mehmet Akcin <mehmet at akcin.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:10 pm
To: Bevan Slattery
Cc: Gavin Tweedie; <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas

https://www.slideshare.net/PranavRao17/superloop-investor-presentation

We do not need more detail than what is publicly available. We do not plan to be a manhole-by-manhole network planning website.

We want people to see visually which networks are operationally having issues, that's it.

Mehmet

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 9:39 PM Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au<mailto:bevan at slattery.net.au>> wrote:
This is just a recent example of why carriers are, or at least should becoming more concerned about keeping location of their fibre infrastructure confidential.  It won’t necessarily stop people mapping it (and other nefarious things), but at least it makes its harder.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/01/russia-spies-espionage-trump-239003

At least there is a potential client for you here :)

B

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From: Mehmet Akcin <mehmet at akcin.net<mailto:mehmet at akcin.net>>
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 2:28 am
To: bevan at slattery.net.au<mailto:bevan at slattery.net.au>
Cc: Gavin Tweedie; <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas

I was always told that is the case and when I asked my prior vendors in australia they kindly gave me these , so I would really love to see 1) the law? 2) restrictions related to this anywhere public I can read to educate myself.

appreciate your help

mehmet

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:58 AM Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au<mailto:bevan at slattery.net.au>> wrote:
I’m pretty sure everyone of those companies are not allowed to share their kml’s (without agreement between company’s) due to security reasons.

I can certainly say that of Superloop anyway.

Cheers

B

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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> on behalf of Mehmet Akcin <mehmet at akcin.net<mailto:mehmet at akcin.net>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:13 am
To: gavin.tweedie at megaport.com<mailto:gavin.tweedie at megaport.com>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Network Atlas

O.K. :)

thank you for the correction Gavin
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:10 PM Gavin Tweedie <gavin.tweedie at megaport.com<mailto:gavin.tweedie at megaport.com>> wrote:
>
> FYI
>
> TPG does own AAPT
> Superloop does not own Megaport
>
> Gavin
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 09:02, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet at akcin.net<mailto:mehmet at akcin.net>> wrote:
>>
>> thank you someone who pinged me privately and told me some contacts
>> from various companies who have fibre on the ground. We are in the
>> process of building a self service portal however, if you want to send
>> me high level KMZs (we need them to be good but not perfectly accurate
>> (like manhole by manhole accurate is not needed for our purpose)
>>
>> if you are working for
>>
>> - Superloop (also owns Megaport)
>> - Vocus
>> - AARNet
>> - Telstra
>> - Optus
>> - AAPT
>> - TPG
>>
>> and want to share - please contact me offlist ;) and we will put your
>> KMZs on www.networkatlas.org<http://www.networkatlas.org>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:51 PM Mehmet Akcin <mehmet at akcin.net<mailto:mehmet at akcin.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Cameron, We are working on it. We hope that soon we will have some
>> > terrestrial data available. I honestly think it will be a miracle if
>> > we can get anyone to share though, because i think there are some
>> > major single points of failure in the infrastructure and operators
>> > don't want to share that.
>> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 1:32 PM Cameron Murray <cameron.murray at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.murray at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Page works for me - Interesting clicking around.
>> > >
>> > > It would be great to see some terrestrial/over-land data added for Australia similar to the USA.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:12 AM Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag at rendrag.net<mailto:rendrag at rendrag.net>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Seems to be offline? (www.networkatlas.org<http://www.networkatlas.org> redirects todev.networkatlas.org<http://dev.networkatlas.org> which is giving connection refused..)
>> > >>
>> > >> What's it meant to do? :)
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 04:00, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet at akcin.net<mailto:mehmet at akcin.net>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hello everyone,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> We wanted to share several updates about our project Network Atlas
>> > >>> with you. First of all we are very excited to announce now our page
>> > >>> has many more features (and more to come) and hosted in a much more
>> > >>> robust platform at www.networkatlas.org<http://www.networkatlas.org>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> We've recently made a press release about our project ,
>> > >>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/network-atlas-launches-map-global-221500875.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Now we are working on two major tracks
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 1) Raising funds via sponsorship and our kickstarter to be able to
>> > >>> afford future of developments.
>> > >>> 2) Talking to engineers , network professionals to understand what
>> > >>> would make this tool better everyone.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> As you might be already aware we have a slack channel you can join and
>> > >>> discuss/help the project. here is the slack channel link -
>> > >>> https://join.slack.com/t/kapany/shared_invite/enQtNDUwOTIzMDEwODM4LWE5NjNmOWRkMmQxYmYzYWU1YmI0ZmEwNWVlODllY2U1MGU5OTVhZDk4YjA1ZmFiN2VhYWI5ZWUyMGQ0YjU0OTc
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Overall we need network operators who have access to
>> > >>> networks/fibre/route information and operational status as we are
>> > >>> developing our self service portal which via GUI and API will enable
>> > >>> you to be able to provide status of global fibre optic cables, and
>> > >>> receive updates the same way.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> For more information about this project, and other ideas feel free to
>> > >>> join our slack or email me directly at mehmet at networkatlas.org<mailto:mehmet at networkatlas.org>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> thank you and we will follow up with further updates in December 2018!
>> > >>> We are very excited how far we came so far providing more visibility
>> > >>> already ( even though we are just in demo state )
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Mehmet
>> > >>> Network Atlas
>> > >>> https://angel.co/mhmtkcn
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>> > >>
>> > >> --
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