[AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill

[Tim Noise]

Hello fellow network users.

I ranted about this on the thugcrowd weekly podcast last week - tried to
break down what it means for people in information security land
you can jump to the topic here https://youtu.be/GyGslRqPecM?t=2671

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "The Internet is nothing like broadcast mediums such as radio and
> television, and cannot be regulated in the same way."
>
> Because the internet is a public medium, unlike radio and television, you
> don't require a license to publish content. The audience doesn't require a
> license (unless you're the UK where you need a TV license). So the
> regulatory domain is different. I expect coming down the track, crypto will
> become a licensed technology, and you won't be able to get a certificate
> without government approval. We should also remember that unlike radio and
> television, the internet doesn't need only a regulatory regime, but also
> needs to be policed.
>
> This bill is pretty weak beer compared to what data retention was as far
> as making inroads on the right to privacy, which ended up being very much
> watered down to what it might have been but for strong public opposition.
> Maintain the rage for when Barnaby Joyce proposes judicial wiretaps for
> radio and television.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 at 16:57, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This bill has nothing to do with content on Facebook (or websites run by
>> content creators, or even websites at all).
>>
>> The Internet is nothing like broadcast mediums such as radio and
>> television, and cannot be regulated in the same way.
>>
>> This bill should never pass.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Aug. 2018, 4:51 pm Chad Kelly, <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/18/2018 12:00 PM, ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net wrote:
>>>
>>> > Possible scenario:
>>> >
>>> > 3:00am Sunday morning, phone rings at the DC reception, is picked up by
>>> > security. "Hi, we've never met. This is Paul Symon of ASIS. I'm sending
>>> > some uniformed AFP officers over to sieze a number of servers. This
>>> call
>>> > constitutes a verbal technical assistance notice, and non compliance
>>> > carries a penalty of 5 years imprisonment".
>>> Given how most Datacentres work in this country I doubt this would
>>> happen.
>>> You generally need to be escorted by security into the areas ware
>>> equipment is housed and generally requests need to be made in writing
>>> and an appointment needs to be booked.
>>> You can't just walk in off the street, and you also need photo ID which
>>> gets scanned and stored for a period of at least 12 months, when you
>>> enter.
>>> You can't even just walk into the DC as a customer, hell for some of
>>> them you even need an induction before you can set foot in them.
>>> If someone did try this the operator would just demand something in
>>> writing and hang up the phone.
>>> Also security don't take phone calls that would be the on call techs
>>> job.
>>> The UK 10 or 12 years ago doesn't really apply to Au law and it was
>>> Verizon, who are a US company and they are now a lot larger then they
>>> were 11 years ago and Publicly listed.
>>> So I would suspect security at their facilities would be improved and a
>>> lot of those providers are getting out of the DC space and partnering
>>> with the likes of AWS anyway so they don't need to take responsibility
>>> for hardware.
>>>
>>> This bill has come about because of Facebook and them allowing video of
>>> child abuse to remain on the platform.
>>> If Facebook had been proactive and handed over the content to the AFP
>>> and the FBI as well as all of the users details none of this would even
>>> be being discussed.
>>> The Internet needs regulation just like Radio and Television.
>>> This bill should of been passed 20 years ago in reality.
>>>
>>> Regards Chad.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chad Kelly
>>> Manager
>>> CPK Web Services
>>> Phone 03 5273 0246
>>> Web www.cpkws.com.au
>>>
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