[AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

[Greg]

I agree with Mark on this view.
If 'they' are interested in someone, there are already laws in-place 
that can be implemented(Usually requiring a warrant ) to keep an 
eye(various methods/technologies) on suspects.
Greg..

On 15/06/2017 3:47 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
>
> On 06/15/2017 03:19 PM, Matt Palmer wrote:
>>
>> Why do you think a solution has to work in order for it to become law?
>
> Believe me, I've been around the block enough times to know that it 
> doesn't.
>
>
>> At any rate, I'm not proposing it as a *good* solution, I'm observing that
>> it is the way things are already going in certain places -- ones that
>> Alastair McGibbon has said have a good model that Australia should look
>> into.
>
> I've also been around the block enough times to know that if people 
> like you offer up well-meaning alternatives, the Government goes ahead 
> with precisely what it wanted to do already, but appends a note to the 
> press releases that says they've enjoyed a constructive engagement 
> with industry, and have addressed a number of their concerns.
>
> So if you know you're not proposing a "good" solution, it's probably 
> best to keep it to yourself. The focus should be on tearing down their 
> bullshit, not on offering up a slightly different color of bullshit 
> that smells faintly like consultative dialog.
>
> This isn't just directed at you. Whether we're talking about internet 
> censorship, copyright takedowns, data retention, or now this, these 
> Australian (always Australian) technical mailing lists are always full 
> of people who say, "That's stupid, what they *really* should do is..." 
> followed by, "We're working positively with the Government to make the 
> best of a bad situation," after the inevitable loss.
>
> That helps them to do stupid things. Stop doing that. You don't need 
> to offer an alternative to a bad idea to communicate that it's a bad idea.
>
>> The other option is that the government continue to fail to "fix" the
>> encryption problem, and keep using it as a lever to force all sorts of other
>> problematic practices into law, under the guise of "stopping terruhrists".
>> Remember: if a politician actually fixes a problem, they lose it as a
>> campaign platform.  If they make it worse with their ham-fisted attempts,
>> they're set for life.
>>
>
> Bush's War on Terr'h started on Sep 11 2001. It's now June 2017, and 
> we've had sixteen years worth of politicians saying, "Just let us 
> control you a little bit harder to keep you safe," followed 
> immediately afterwards by, "You're not safe, we need more."
>
> The police and intelligence services have never, in the history of the 
> Commonwealth, had as much power, resources, and latitude as they have 
> now; yet they /still/ claim they can't stop terrorism, even after 
> justifying all the powers they've gained by saying they'd be able to 
> use them to stop terrorism.
>
> Make them put their money where their mouth is: If they say we're not 
> safe now when they've passed national security legislation every 14 
> months since 2011, the question to be asked is, "Uh, fellas? Do you 
> actually have the faintest idea what you're doing? Last time you did 
> this you said we'd be safe, and now you say we're not, so shouldn't 
> you be rolling-back the powers you demanded which clearly haven't 
> worked? And given that you've been dead-wrong /literally every other 
> time/ you've said you'd be able to keep us safe, shouldn't we stop 
> believing you this time?"
>
> Hypothesis: They actually suck at their jobs, and are self-evidently 
> too incompetent to be trusted to set national policy.
>
> Where's the limit? How badly does the frog get boiled before it 
> gathers the wherewithal to jump out of the pot?
>
>   - mark
>
>
>
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