[AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email - Are you Serious???

[Philip Loenneker]

On point 3 regarding collaboration between Telcos - I seem to recall that there was some specific wording around the DRIPs that sharing details of it outside of your organisation and the AG office could be grounds for withdrawal of acceptance of the DRIP. 


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Q4. > 4. On a separate topic, how do you go about requesting access to data under this legislation - even employees under Telstra aren't aware what to do in this regard.

Answer:

Ross is right - you don't request data, you provide it.

1.  Look at the TELECOMMUNICATIONS (INTERCEPTION AND ACCESS) ACT 1979,  PART
3-3 

OR
 
2. Ask your friendly Communications Access Coordinator in the Attorney-General's Department for a fact sheet detailing how agencies, such as ASIO, police, local council, lost dogs home etc, can legally request the information you are storing for their unfettered use.

Rod

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On Mon, 26 Sep 2016, chrismacko80 wrote:

> 1. The list is incomplete, there's many ISP's and hosting firms that 
> haven't submitted grant funding, the list may need to be expanded, and 
> it's currently over $80m!!! Is there a secondary round for ISP's that 
> missed it on the first round?

The list is complete. It was clearly stated as a "one time, one-off" 
grant, with a slew of conditions attached. You had to have a DRIP submitted and accepted (or already be fully complient); you had to make the application on the available paperwork and within the application window (which was February this year IIRC); you had to have a registered accountant submit a statement of your declared turnover;

There were probably other conditions I don't recall.


> 2. Seriously, can we show our politicians in future that we can work 
> collaboratively and show that we can deliver a solution together at a 
> lower cost of ownership and provide software that we can then

I doubt it. Back in the early and mid 1990s, the (then, quite few) ISPs got along pretty well and would pitch in and help each other. By the end of the 90's it was in decline, by 2005 it was pretty much "each man for himself"
and it has by and large been a "race to the bottom" ever since.

There are exceptions, but there are few.


> 3. I'm sure given an opportunity to collaborate on the software 
> required to deliver a joint solution, we'd be able to deliver this at 
> a fraction of the cost, even if we housed this within 2 or 3 
> government data centres that were built specifically for this purpose 
> and well less than one third the cost including 2 or 3 data centres 
> for this specific purpose.

Who cares? The government isn't hosting the data, and isn't paying for the hosting of the data. That's been passed to "the industry". The grant was never intended (so we're told) to fully compensate "the industry" for its costs, rather "contribute towards" the cost of implementation. Industry is expected to (and will have to) wear the costs (or pass them on to consumers in full or in part, with whatever problems that causes. It'll be "the industry" being the bad guys, the public will not see the price rises as being "caused by government". Apart from which <tongue in cheek> everyone knows that ISPs and Telcos are filthy rich, rolling in money and more than able to absorb any trivial costs involved - since we already store all that data anyway </tongue in cheek>


> 4. On a seperate topic, how do you go about requesting access to data 
> under this legislation - even employees under Telstra aren't aware 
> what to do in this regard.

"You" don't.
I suggest you read the legislation, it "quite clearly" (hahaha) sets out what we must do, who can access the data, and how.

R.
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