[AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email

Tue Sep 6 11:12:39 EST 2016

Tom,

I'm as much an authority as anyone else. We will be implementing it across
half a dozen ISPs and I've been building networks for a lot of years.

I'm also asking that they justify it to us *all*, not just me.  Here - in
public, or some other form where there is scrutiny from peers who know as
much if not more than them about building this sort of thing.

Operational costs were not supposed to be a part of the funding
arrangements.

Everyone who can't justify their requested funding needs to be called out.

...Skeeve

*Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect* - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
Email: skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com

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On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Tom Berryman <
Tom.Berryman at connectivityit.com.au> wrote:

> No one has to justify this to you personally (which is what you are asking
> for here) – you are not an authoritative opinion on the DRIP or its
> implementation, nor are you of sufficient standing in public office to
> request that justification.
>
>
>
> While no doubt there are some recipients who will receive more than
> required, there are equally those who are underestimating their obligations
> and will receive too little. Unfortunately (unlike the funding allocation)
> the implementation of a carrier or providers DRIP is not public record.
>
> I note the convenient absence from your list of several providers of
> smaller scale than “I” who have been awarded greater funding. I will not be
> “calling them out”.
>
>
>
> There is a cost to abiding by the laws of telecommunications, not just
> hardware, it’s human time as well.
>
>
>
> For the record, “Congratulations” in the subject is wrong. How about
> “Apologies”.
>
>
>
> Tom.
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve
> Stevens
> *Sent:* Monday, 5 September 2016 11:33 PM
> *To:* <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> The list: https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/
> DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf
>
>
>
> I am absolutely stunned by this list and how much people asked for - and
> got.
>
>
>
> Sure, there are people who needed the money to comply, but I think a lot
> of people are taking advantage of the system and should be ashamed of
> themselves for how much they asked for.
>
>
>
> Yes, the government did a shit job, but this is community money - needed
> for us to comply with a stupid law. Not a slush fund for people to build up
> their business.
>
>
>
> Universities - I don't understand. System Integrators - bullshit. VoIP
> providers, you are are already logging call details - why do most of you
> need anything?
>
> If everyone IT integrator in the country claimed, we'd have over 2k-3k
> applicants and no one getting much at all.
>
>
>
> I think a lot of people are buying new networking equipment with these
> funds. I am not sure the fund was designed to build the networks of ISPs.
>
>
>
> Some of the massive requests are astounding and begs the question "WHAT
> are people buying with it?"
>
>
>
> I think the AG make all the applications public since they've made the
> result public. We need context to some of these extremely excessive
> allocations.
>
>
>
> There is no jealousy here. There is a dozen of my customers on the list,
> but all mostly realistic.
>
>
>
> Those that say we should just move on have no respect for the stewardship
> of these resources.
>
>
>
> Bring on the flames.
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Going through the list (Never heard of many of them):
>
>
>
> - *Ace* - 294k - You are a small regional ISP... 294k?! C'mon, you need
> to justify it.
>
>
>
> - *Amaysim* - 69k - You are a big phone reseller - is this all you need?
> #respect
>
>
>
> - *APN* - 373k - Now Activ8me?  Regional ISP. You need to justify it.
>
>
>
> - *Bluenet* - Aren't you just a VISP off RealWorld? 30k for what? (See
> below)
>
>
>
> - *Broadband Solutions*. Guys, Why 2.2million. You *REALLY* need to
> justify that. Exetel, BigAir, M2, Vocus are all way less. Please explain
>
>
>
> - *BT* - 4 applications? Really? Total $376k+ - Justify it.
>
>
>
> - *CipherTel* - Regional and Remote WA. 439k... Justify it.
>
>
>
> - *Cirrus Communications* - 18k. Your network is massive. Is that all you
> really need? If so.. #respect
>
>
>
> - *Cloud Comm* - Who are you? 236k
>
>
>
> - *Comscentre* - 840k... C'mon really?  Justify it.
>
>
>
> - *Connectivity IT* - 244k. Please Justify it Tom.
>
>
>
> - *CountryTell* - 180k. Curious... seems a lot for a regional ISP. Please
> explain
>
>
>
> - *Curtin University* - 368k... I don't understand.
>
>
>
> - *Easyweb Digital* - 404k. For what? Your website doesn't even say ISP,
> and WiFi doesn't count. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Firenet* - 169k - I think you are going to need to explain this.
>
>
>
> - *First Focus* - 153k - But it doesn't even look like you are an ISP?
> Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Frontier Networks* - 301k - It doesn't look like you'd need this
> much.. Please explain
>
>
>
> - *GoPC* - 150k. Graeme? I don't get it. You will need to explain this.
> As far as I know, you are not an ISP.
>
>
>
> - *Griffith Uni* - 719k. Another Uni...
>
>
>
> - *Interactive Gateway* - Who? You look like an integrator, not an ISP.
> Please explain.
>
>
>
> *- IP Voice & Data / Vonex* - 290k. You are mostly voice. Does it really
> cost this much to log call data which you should already do?
>
>
>
> - *M2* - 1.6M - OK you are huge, but aren't you part of Vocus now? Surely
> you can use the same systems
>
>
>
> *- Macquarie Telecom* - A lot less than I would have expected from
> someone of your size. #respect
>
>
>
> - *Message4U* - 1.2m - Ok, so you do a lot of texts... but so what?
> Please explain
>
>
>
> - *MikeIT / OpusV* - 106k - You don't seem to be an ISP. Please explain
>
>
>
> - *Mobilizer* - 89k. Total bullshit. Anyone who has ever met Damon knows
> this is a crock.
>
>
>
> *- MyNetfone* - 3m. You guys are massive in voice. But 3 million?
>
>
>
> - *Novatel* - 698k - Baby ISP with 1 or 2 routers... Does not justify
> this much. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Origin Net *- 249k - Seems excessive.. please explain
>
>
>
> - *Pivotel* - 336k - You do Satellite services? That is a lot. Please
> explain
>
>
>
> - *Professional Data Kinetics* - 352k. You're based in Wagga doing NBN.
> This is a lot. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Radcomp / ITAUS / ITNQ* - 472k. Who? Please explain
>
>
>
> - *RCOM / RNAS*. 316k. Who are you?  Please explain
>
>
>
> - *Real World* - 787k/912k. Really Andrew? 2 piles of cash? You couldn't
> use the same technology?  It is a hell of a lot of money for a network like
> yours in comparison to many people out there. 1.7 million dollars. Almost
> as much as Vocus. More than BigAir, 3 x Macquarie and *MORE* than TPG.
> You need to seriously explain yourself here.
>
>
>
> - *RMIT* - 680k. Uni again
>
>
>
> - *SIS Group* - 191k. Luke? Seems like a lot. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Spirit Telecom* - 187k. Seems like a lot. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Tecala* - 316k. Who are you? Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Comverge* - 227k+78k. You are mostly wholesale/Layer2/builders. Why?
> Please explain.  Why 2 applications?
>
> *- Telstra* - 40m. OK, You are massive. But given who you are, don't you
> already log most things required by the Drip? 40m seems like a lot of
> money, even for you.
>
>
>
> - *The Summit Group*. 1M. Greg, you are going to have to explain this.
>
>
>
> - *Vibe* - 364k. Big links I know... but 364k
>
>
>
> - *Uniscope* - Who?
>
>
>
> *- Uniti - *Who?
>
>
>
> - *More Universities*...  UTas 12k? Wow.
>
>
>
> *- Vodafone *- 28m. 28 million for what? You already log the hell out of
> everything - that is your job.  Even Optus only asked for 14m.
>
>
>
> - *VostroNet* - 221k. Never heard of them.
>
>
>
> - *YourFibre* - 147k. They don't even have a web presence I can find.
>
>
>
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect* - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>
> Email: skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com
>
> Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve ; LinkedIn: /in/skeeve
> <http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve> ; Expert360: Profile
> <https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9> ; Keybase: https://keybase.io/skeeve
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