[AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email

Tue Sep 6 10:18:34 EST 2016

On 6 Sep 2016 09:32, "paul+ausnog at oxygennetworks.com.au" <
paul+ausnog at oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:
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> The problem is Mark that the $$$ have been allocated to implement a
solution, not provide ongoing costs to run it over time, that was pretty
clear in the funding guidelines from memory.
>

So, being pedantic, it isn't a 'solution' if it isn't covering ongoing
costs - it's just equipment and initial labor that is part of the solution.

Perhaps others with much larger requests have requested solution costs
rather than just up front costs.

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>
> We didn’t apply for any funding as we felt that the majority of cost was
internal labour to make the magic happen, they wouldn’t cover labour costs
but would cover consulting costs and hardware etc, whilst many people would
be able to talk with friends in the industry and transfer some consulting
effort under the radar I personally wouldn’t sleep at night if I didn’t
feel that our effort was legitimate.
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> We already keep more than two years data for most stuff anyway and it’s
not a huge amount of data for us, so really if they couldn’t pay us for our
internal labour costs it just wasn’t worth the pain.
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>

For others, it may be a much larger cost due to not the size of their
business but the type of services and the types of customers they have.

What is appropriate depends on the size, type and specifics of the problem
being solved.

Some of the figures seem too large to me, others seem too small - that says
to me that I should hold my judgement until I get more details of each case.

Regards,
Mark.

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> Regards
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> Paul
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>
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> From: Mark Smith [mailto:markzzzsmith at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2016 9:28 AM
> To: paul+ausnog at oxygennetworks.com.au
> Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>; Robert Hudson
>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email
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> On 6 Sep 2016 08:59, "paul+ausnog at oxygennetworks.com.au" <
paul+ausnog at oxygennetworks.com.au> wrote:
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> > Are you serious Robert ? The lowest grant is $10k from what I could
see, $10k will be a pretty decent populated NAS from the ones I have seen
lately, jeeze you can buy an entry level HP San with a couple of 10G cards
for servers and a couple of TB of storage as well for $20-$25k, I mean
seriously, this is just data storage, it just needs a decent NAS with
redundancy, you don’t even need encryption on the device.
> >
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> This is sounding like the difference between buying a piece of equipment
and buying a service or capability.
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> Buying a capability means the funds are available to overcome events that
will impact the capability over its lifetime, such as device or component
failure, model obsolescence and replacement, vendor support etc.
>
> How long does the data need to be retained for, and have you budgeted for
all of the costs necessary to meet that retainment capability over that
time period?
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> It isn't possible to make specific judgements without knowing specific
details of peoples' solutions, however some of the figures do appear to be
small enough that they're just covering initial capex costs rather than
whole of life capability costs.
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> > Good on the people who have been legitimate in their requests, they
should be applauded for being honest in their requirements, and realistic.
> >
> > We submitted our DRIP which was then approved and we said that we will
control access to data with username and password and encrypt any backups
of the data as well, they were happy with that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally I think people have taken this whole thing out of context
because it was so grey in its delivery so everybody has just gone crazy
with buying everything they need to upgrade their network or do everything
they possibly can to retain that information to be 110% sure they are
complying with something that nobody can really be sure about, not to
mention how much people will probably spend on lawyers to cover their arses.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are relatively small but do quite a few different things, we have an
approved drip with some pretty simple stuff in it, more or less it’s to
store our radius logs, mail logs, CDR’s and a few other bits and pieces,
they even rejected our storing of customer changes in our customer
portal/CRM as they said that it wasn’t a relevant service/not needed, and
it even says that you need to retain changes to credit cards, addresses,
etc for accounts in the policy so I don’t know what that was about but I
have an approved document which says I don’t need to do it and as far as
I’m concerned that’s all that matters.
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> >
> >
> > I personally really can’t see how some people could possibly be
legitimately spending or needing to spend the type of money they have been
granted based on our approved DRIP.
> >
> > One thing I can be sure of though, everybody will have invoices from
somewhere to justify their costs.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody need some DR Consulting work done ??  LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of
Robert Hudson
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2016 7:52 AM
> > To: Skeeve Stevens
> > Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email
> >
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> >
> > Just over $128m for 180 recipients, or an average or over $700k per
recipient.  A number of the lower-end figures wouldn't purchase a decent
SME NAS with disks in it...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 September 2016 at 23:33, Skeeve Stevens <
skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
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> > All,
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> >
> > The list:
https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > I am absolutely stunned by this list and how much people asked for -
and got.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sure, there are people who needed the money to comply, but I think a
lot of people are taking advantage of the system and should be ashamed of
themselves for how much they asked for.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, the government did a shit job, but this is community money -
needed for us to comply with a stupid law. Not a slush fund for people to
build up their business.
> >
> >
> >
> > Universities - I don't understand. System Integrators - bullshit. VoIP
providers, you are are already logging call details - why do most of you
need anything?
> >
> > If everyone IT integrator in the country claimed, we'd have over 2k-3k
applicants and no one getting much at all.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think a lot of people are buying new networking equipment with these
funds. I am not sure the fund was designed to build the networks of ISPs.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the massive requests are astounding and begs the question "WHAT
are people buying with it?"
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the AG make all the applications public since they've made the
result public. We need context to some of these extremely excessive
allocations.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no jealousy here. There is a dozen of my customers on the
list, but all mostly realistic.
> >
> >
> >
> > Those that say we should just move on have no respect for the
stewardship of these resources.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bring on the flames.
> >
> >
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