[AusNOG] Fibre / conduit maps

[Bradley Amm]

“You'd be holding that shovel for a while...”
That made me giggle. Had my Monday morning funny.  I Can imagine people waiting with shovel for the data.


From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Robert Hudson
Sent: Monday, 17 October 2016 3:55 AM
To: Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag at rendrag.net>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Fibre / conduit maps


It has to be in the planning stage - because there can be a significant delay between the request and the response.

I was caught out by this - the DBYD advertising at the time made it look like you could call up, shovel in hand, and be told where not to dig. You'd be holding that shovel for a while...

On 17 Oct 2016 6:37 AM, "Damien Gardner Jnr" <rendrag at rendrag.net<mailto:rendrag at rendrag.net>> wrote:
DBYD themselves don't *have* any specific data do they? They only know which service providers have registered an interest in your region.  They then send your request off to those registered providers, and those providers send you the data they have.  If you want records updated, you'd need to contact the specific provider.

Also, keep in mind that if you want Telstra data, you need to make sure you select your reason as doing work, not planning to do work.  If you're planning to do work, they will only fulfil one DBYD request, and any further requests you need to pay for, otherwise they simply don't send you any data. (One wonders where the liability falls if they failed to send you cabling maps, and you then put a backhoe though a Telstra conduit...)

On 16 October 2016 at 19:48, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com<mailto:hudrob at gmail.com>> wrote:

If only the data they had was accurate (not their fault, they are only as good as the data they've been given).

The Telstra lead-in to a previous property was on the other side of the property to what DBYD said. They also had no record of the gas line either.

As I said, I know their data is only as good as what they're given. What was a little frustrating though was when we offered to update them on where we had found/relaid the services (we cut the Telstra lead-in, and nearly broke the gas line), we basically couldn't get them to accept the data.

On 16 Oct 2016 6:14 PM, "Adrian Bone" <adrianbone at iinet.net.au<mailto:adrianbone at iinet.net.au>> wrote:
1100.com.au<http://1100.com.au>  (Dial Before You Dig) is worth a look.

Excellent free service. Been a little while since I've had to use it but from
memory you must declare occupation when registering and use a mapping tool
similar to google earth to draw a shape of the area of interest. You then
submit your query and promptly receive an automated email with pdf
attachments.

Shows conduits in the ground and who owns them, eg 4T100 to indicate 4 x
100mm, but would be no further info.

Looking at the start of the list of DBYD members I can see AAPT, AARNet, Amcom



Regards,

Adrian

On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 05:36:26 AM Abraham Treadwell wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> A few years ago a company, koordinates.com<http://koordinates.com><http://koordinates.com> compiled,
> or enabled publication of isp backhaul and wholesale fibre maps, from most
> of the bigger telcos in New Zealand. It was possible for others to submit
> their maps into the same service.

> We’re in the process of looking for a new premises in Sydney and i’m
> wondering if anyone is aware of, or has compiled a similar collection of
> combined telco fibre maps in Australia?

> As an isp of any size, knowing who has ducting in a particular street can go
> a long way to finding the right wholesale provider or partnership, for a
> particular address or project, especially for premium services and quirks
> such as identifying fully redundant paths.

> If anyone’s aware of such a map, as a public or restricted access service, I
> would be most interested to hear more.

>
> |  Abraham Treadwell  |  www.tangelo.com<http://www.tangelo.com><http://www.tangelo.com> |
> |  abraham<mailto:abraham at tangelo.com<mailto:abraham at tangelo.com>>@tangelo.com<http://tangelo.com><mailto:kyle at tangelo.com<mailto:kyle at tangelo.com>>
> |   |
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>
>

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