[AusNOG] Fibre / conduit maps

Mon Oct 17 06:59:16 EST 2016

Sure, you need to do it a good few days before you're planning to work..
But don't put 'planning to work' down as the stage you're at, as Telstra
won't send you any data unless you have a credit card number on file with
them, after your first request.

How long ago did you do your last request?  In the last 3-4 years, I've
never had a request take more than 2 days. Telstra and Ausgrid email
through within 3-4 hours.  The local council was the slowest, POSTING out
printed drainage maps which took 2 days to arrive.  That said, 95% of my
DBYD requests are all for the Wyong shire - maybe there's different teams
for different regions, and I'd imagine capital cities get a lot more
requests :)

On 17 October 2016 at 06:54, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:

> It has to be in the planning stage - because there can be a significant
> delay between the request and the response.
>
> I was caught out by this - the DBYD advertising at the time made it look
> like you could call up, shovel in hand, and be told where not to dig. You'd
> be holding that shovel for a while...
>
> On 17 Oct 2016 6:37 AM, "Damien Gardner Jnr" <rendrag at rendrag.net> wrote:
>
> DBYD themselves don't *have* any specific data do they? They only know
> which service providers have registered an interest in your region.  They
> then send your request off to those registered providers, and those
> providers send you the data they have.  If you want records updated, you'd
> need to contact the specific provider.
>
> Also, keep in mind that if you want Telstra data, you need to make sure
> you select your reason as doing work, not planning to do work.  If you're
> planning to do work, they will only fulfil one DBYD request, and any
> further requests you need to pay for, otherwise they simply don't send you
> any data. (One wonders where the liability falls if they failed to send you
> cabling maps, and you then put a backhoe though a Telstra conduit...)
>
> On 16 October 2016 at 19:48, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If only the data they had was accurate (not their fault, they are only as
>> good as the data they've been given).
>>
>> The Telstra lead-in to a previous property was on the other side of the
>> property to what DBYD said. They also had no record of the gas line either.
>>
>> As I said, I know their data is only as good as what they're given. What
>> was a little frustrating though was when we offered to update them on where
>> we had found/relaid the services (we cut the Telstra lead-in, and nearly
>> broke the gas line), we basically couldn't get them to accept the data.
>>
>> On 16 Oct 2016 6:14 PM, "Adrian Bone" <adrianbone at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> 1100.com.au  (Dial Before You Dig) is worth a look.
>>>
>>> Excellent free service. Been a little while since I've had to use it but
>>> from
>>> memory you must declare occupation when registering and use a mapping
>>> tool
>>> similar to google earth to draw a shape of the area of interest. You then
>>> submit your query and promptly receive an automated email with pdf
>>> attachments.
>>>
>>> Shows conduits in the ground and who owns them, eg 4T100 to indicate 4 x
>>> 100mm, but would be no further info.
>>>
>>> Looking at the start of the list of DBYD members I can see AAPT, AARNet,
>>> Amcom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 05:36:26 AM Abraham Treadwell wrote:
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > A few years ago a company, koordinates.com<http://koordinates.com>
>>> compiled,
>>> > or enabled publication of isp backhaul and wholesale fibre maps, from
>>> most
>>> > of the bigger telcos in New Zealand. It was possible for others to
>>> submit
>>> > their maps into the same service.
>>>
>>> > We’re in the process of looking for a new premises in Sydney and i’m
>>> > wondering if anyone is aware of, or has compiled a similar collection
>>> of
>>> > combined telco fibre maps in Australia?
>>>
>>> > As an isp of any size, knowing who has ducting in a particular street
>>> can go
>>> > a long way to finding the right wholesale provider or partnership, for
>>> a
>>> > particular address or project, especially for premium services and
>>> quirks
>>> > such as identifying fully redundant paths.
>>>
>>> > If anyone’s aware of such a map, as a public or restricted access
>>> service, I
>>> > would be most interested to hear more.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > |  Abraham Treadwell  |  www.tangelo.com<http://www.tangelo.com> |
>>> > |  abraham<mailto:abraham at tangelo.com>@tangelo.com<mailto:kyle@
>>> tangelo.com>
>>> > |   |
>>>  nz +64 21 646472  |  skype: atreadwell  |
>>> >
>>> >
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